yeah man, and the "end product" that post is talking about is the respect afforded to experts who have put in the time and effort it took to become experts

Wanting an end product is not the same as wanting credit for the end product. You want a new TV. You go out and buy one and not build one yourself. Do you need to provide credit to Samsung?

I can’t tell if you’re arguing for the sake of arguing, or genuinely missing the point we’re trying to make. Either way, this doesn’t seem productive.

Nor was I responding to you.

You’re responding to a person making the same point I was, in the same thread where I did, which is why I said “we”, not “I”. But thanks for indirectly confirming that you’re just arguing because you want a fight.