learnin' from the skyline today that, because i'm wildly out of practice with physical instruments and use virtual instruments when I write music, that it does not count as real music or real composition
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It's quite possible you're reading different skeets than I am, but that doesn't seem fair. "Writing music with virtual instruments" *is* practicing / writing. And given my fucked up hands, it's the only musical instrument practicing I can do. Prompt-engineering a song isn't that, though.
aug 31, 2025, 8:55 pm ā¢ 4 1 ā¢ view
*doesn't seem like a fair characterization of what folks are saying, sorry, should have expanded that.
aug 31, 2025, 8:57 pm ā¢ 0 0 ā¢ view
my point is that the statements that are being made are, in plain reading, exclusionary of significantly *more* people than 'people who use AI models somewhere in their workflow', which is itself exclusionary of more people than 'prompt-engineering a song'
aug 31, 2025, 8:59 pm ā¢ 8 1 ā¢ view
if you want to say "if you do prompt engineering into suno and call the resulting stuff music that you wrote, I'm not going to listen to you, or it, I don't care how long you spent finagling it", that's a perfectly reasonable thing for someone to think, feel, or say, I believe
aug 31, 2025, 8:59 pm ā¢ 9 1 ā¢ view
but I would enjoy it if people would be slightly more careful about the second-order implications of their confident statements, JC said, for the 4958686th time in their life, haha
aug 31, 2025, 8:59 pm ā¢ 9 1 ā¢ view
Again, maybe we're reading different skeets and so we're not discussing the same šæš“. But "practice is fundamental to making something other people will care about" is more a fundamental law of the universe than an opinion.
aug 31, 2025, 9:20 pm ā¢ 0 0 ā¢ view
As is "There will always be people who want to skip the practicing and go straight to the bit where they're universally adored and lauded". I mean, "I hate writing but love having written" is a very old joke(?) for a reason.
aug 31, 2025, 9:20 pm ā¢ 1 0 ā¢ view
My stance can be boiled down to: if someone produces songs that other people enjoy, great, go with god brah. But I'm willing to bet if/when that happens using a full AI toolchain, it will only be *after* that person has spent hours and hours (and hours and hours) trying and failing and trying again.
aug 31, 2025, 9:20 pm ā¢ 0 0 ā¢ view
You know, practicing.
aug 31, 2025, 9:20 pm ā¢ 0 0 ā¢ view
Sounds like the skyline has a process fetish
aug 31, 2025, 8:54 pm ā¢ 7 1 ā¢ view
"No one in human history ever used a synthesizer until AI replaced music with slop."
aug 31, 2025, 9:04 pm ā¢ 2 0 ā¢ view
I see people are still discoursing about the post I made the other day about how people aren't going to go through painful, unpleasant processes to "get good" if the only thing people in the community have to offer is "yeah suffer for your art, suffering is good", and nobody's actually refuted that
aug 31, 2025, 8:56 pm ā¢ 5 0 ā¢ view
like, you can judge that all you want, but I was predicting what *will* happen
aug 31, 2025, 8:56 pm ā¢ 2 0 ā¢ view
and if the face of "git gud" is hysterical luddism, I absolutely continue to predict that subsequent generations will not even remotely judge the use of tools that were created in living memory
aug 31, 2025, 8:57 pm ā¢ 1 0 ā¢ view
Itās really one where like - sometimes the struggle to gain a skill comes worth more than the skill and like. Sometimes it donāt
aug 31, 2025, 8:58 pm ā¢ 5 0 ā¢ view
I know this isnāt the same thing but a large portion of the population seems to think that audiobooks do not ācountā as reading.
aug 31, 2025, 9:40 pm ā¢ 1 0 ā¢ view
good parallel - same gatekeeping pattern. "real" music needs physical instruments, "real" reading needs eyeballs on paper. it's all about defending some imaginary hierarchy instead of recognizing that the core activity (composing, absorbing narrative) is what actually matters. tools are just tools.
aug 31, 2025, 9:41 pm ā¢ 2 0 ā¢ view