What is the last option that will be left to us @mark-carney.bsky.social ? You cannot negotiate with a bully who only deals in ultimatums.
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DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT ππππππ€ππππππ I'm very serious. I'm an πΊπ²
jul 11, 2025, 9:14 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
I wouldn't use it as a negotiating tool, because... we will need to dump them anyway. They are going to be worthless. The debt they have added, and the inability to honour existing agreements, would send any lender running in the opposite direction. We need to divest regardless of trade relations.
jul 11, 2025, 1:15 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
It should be coordinated with the other countries who hold most of the US debt, Japan, China etc.
jul 11, 2025, 4:28 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
Brazil might join in now.
jul 11, 2025, 4:46 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
π₯³ The more the merrier π
jul 11, 2025, 6:51 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
jul 11, 2025, 4:01 pm β’ 8 0 β’ view
little orange molester is bitter because Carney was a shrewder negotiator with Greenland for those mineral rights.
jul 11, 2025, 6:33 pm β’ 7 0 β’ view
Every nation that holds U.S. debt should seriously think about dumping it, especially countries who have restrictions on holding the debt of nations who are becoming human rights wastelands.
jul 12, 2025, 12:11 pm β’ 4 0 β’ view
Yup. Time to call his bluff.
jul 11, 2025, 4:33 pm β’ 4 1 β’ view
We need to do that anyway, then enact a total trade embargo against the US and eject their diplomats.
jul 11, 2025, 4:03 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
Genius π‘β¦and βοΈ Japan cause they have billions in U.S treasury bonds π+π
jul 11, 2025, 9:04 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
You can't deal with people like Trump. He will never hold true to his word. As soon as you sign an agreement, he will turn around and stab you in the back. In regular business you would not do it, so why do it as a country? Walk away.
jul 11, 2025, 4:19 pm β’ 7 0 β’ view
That's why he's had so many bankruptcies because he's an idiot and his word is worthless and then like him around it's hard to believe at one time people made deals on a word and a handshake and they died before they went back on it I'm afraid gov & corp by people who have no honor or dignity
jul 12, 2025, 4:35 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
Put the surplus tax back on our electricity π‘
jul 11, 2025, 4:42 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
As an American (actually Californian) itβs nice to see our allies (former or not) stand up to the bullying and fight back in their own way.
jul 11, 2025, 6:00 pm β’ 6 0 β’ view
Ohioan here & totally agree! ππ
jul 11, 2025, 7:22 pm β’ 4 0 β’ view
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jul 11, 2025, 1:56 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
Please do. As an US citizen, PLEASE do whatever you can to make this MAGA fascist state pay! the more MAGAs hurt, the sooner this may all be over.
jul 11, 2025, 2:24 pm β’ 4 0 β’ view
I seriously believe that he would be prepared to invade us. Canada has what he wants, in spite of what he says.
jul 11, 2025, 4:32 pm β’ 5 0 β’ view
Possibly. It takes money to invade and if these countries fail to buy our debts and cash in the bonds, there would be no readily available money to do so. We are so far in debt now that if he makes it any worse, I believe there will be another French Revolution.
jul 11, 2025, 4:43 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
Controversial opinion here, but I think that itβs going to take a revolution or a civil war. Something has got to give.
jul 11, 2025, 4:46 pm β’ 4 0 β’ view
I have to say I agree with you though I am not looking forward to it.
jul 11, 2025, 4:51 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
Dump to bonds. π
jul 11, 2025, 6:06 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
Do it ANYWAY TACO DO IT ANYWAY MAKE. Him. SUFFER.
jul 11, 2025, 2:57 pm β’ 4 0 β’ view
EXACTLY!
jul 11, 2025, 4:07 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
Carney defunding our Federal government to enrich oligarchs & billionaires with pipelines & to invest in US Military companies. He just rolled over belly up on the digital tax. He ain't doing shit for Canada, he's a sellout shill helping Trump & billionaires.
jul 11, 2025, 5:52 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
I donβt agree
jul 11, 2025, 7:41 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
He's promoting pipelines, slashing the public service, undermining regulation protecting species and the environment, and treating indigenous peoples in the same way as our colonial ancestors (proponents of genocide and ethnic cleansing). Trickle down economics are a trick to make the rich richer.
jul 12, 2025, 4:51 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
I have no capacity for diplomacy I'm blunt & I say the wrong thing all the time My first instinct would be to tell the orange sh*t-gibbon to f*ck off I would probably plunge us into a war The fact that Carney & the GoC hasn't done this is credit to their skills in dealing with a megalomaniac IMO
jul 11, 2025, 7:26 pm β’ 24 2 β’ view
LOLOLOL Not-so-great-minds think alike too! I would have so done the same.
jul 12, 2025, 1:36 pm β’ 6 1 β’ view
Easily right π€·πΌββοΈ I think that's what people don't appreciate about our government We want to tell the orange a$$hole to f*ck off But is that really the right thing to do? Probably not
jul 12, 2025, 1:41 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
LOL Of course not. We have the luxury of being able to enjoy a good knee-jerk reaction and can belly ache all we want. He and his team may not.
jul 12, 2025, 1:57 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
You gotta love a good knee-jerk reaction π
jul 12, 2025, 2:02 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
Beats therapy or jail time!
jul 12, 2025, 2:20 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
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jul 12, 2025, 2:21 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
Yep. Me too. I think I would have punched him in the nose by now. Good thing Iβm not the PM LOL!
jul 12, 2025, 3:56 pm β’ 4 1 β’ view
Let's convince Japan, China and EU to do the same. Interest rates in the USA would climb overnight!
jul 11, 2025, 4:14 pm β’ 6 0 β’ view
While I donβt look forward to that result, the ramifications of this may be the only thing Trump would understand besides being made inconsequential.
jul 11, 2025, 4:36 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
you wanna play, cheetolini? OK, lets play. I don't think you wanna play.
jul 11, 2025, 4:30 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
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jul 11, 2025, 2:57 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
Iβm not convinced trump would care considering he seems to be trying to destroy the USβ¦ but the dollar tanking even more might piss off enough citizens that they finally stand up to trump.
jul 11, 2025, 1:13 pm β’ 8 0 β’ view
Yea, but his maggot followers think he's doing a great job. Wonder how they'd be, if all countries he's threatening tariffs with, all told him to go pound sand and quit trading with us. How would they like him then when there'll be no stores to buy anything, cause they'll have nothing to sell?
jul 11, 2025, 1:28 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
If countries start off loading their US dollars the US dollar will be worthless. Not only will stores shelves be empty but the dollar will have no buying power anywhere. His followers will starve and theyβre dragging the rest of the country with them. If this continues the US is done.
jul 11, 2025, 1:33 pm β’ 6 0 β’ view
They probably have to get up there and pick all up fruits and vegetables that are rotting in the fields because of ice and the orange piece of s***
jul 12, 2025, 4:29 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
No amount of evil that he does, will drive them away from him.
jul 11, 2025, 1:42 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
And do you really think that his faithful followers even understand that or care? I'm still reading post by some that are still saying, "He's doing exactly what we elected him to!" They still think that what he's doing, won't affect them.
jul 11, 2025, 1:41 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
Doing so would cause interest rates to rise, prices to go up and lending power to plummet. That would affect even the staunchest supporters.
jul 11, 2025, 4:50 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
That is the only road to take with Felon Trump on this, and many other issues concerning Canada indeed π π π¨π¦
jul 12, 2025, 6:29 am β’ 0 0 β’ view
Whew! Our bond market. I hope Mr. Japan doesnβt follow suit.
jul 11, 2025, 4:28 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
Thereβs many small manufactures that rely on American customers to be successful. They employee many people. I had such a business for 23 years before I retired. Under NAFTA we could ship to the US and thatβs still possible under CUSMA, telling the Taco to piss off wonβt help small manufacturers 1/2
jul 13, 2025, 1:34 am β’ 2 1 β’ view
2/2 Trump is a madman, decades of cross border business is at stake. Carney has a difficult needle to thread, and it best to build new trade relationships for commodities the idiot south of the 49th tariffs. Everyday folks can make a massive contribution boycotting US goods and travel. And buy CDN
jul 13, 2025, 1:43 am β’ 2 0 β’ view
Trump would fuck his own mother if she was alive. His daughter had already been had.
jul 11, 2025, 9:40 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
You also can't negotiate with a lunatic who makes things more expensive for himself for no benefit and then declares victory and then begs you for everything to go back to the way it was before he fucked himself in the ass.
jul 11, 2025, 9:44 pm β’ 1 1 β’ view
Yes. This.
jul 11, 2025, 9:26 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
Unbelievable! Our greatest Allies and he's treating Canada the way he should treat Russia. Total utter bullshit!
jul 11, 2025, 9:15 pm β’ 7 0 β’ view
Canada could withdraw from USMCA? The free trade zone has been killed already by Trump. Why not make it official? In t he meantime, Canada's best way forward is to improve trade between it, the EU, Japan, thee UK, Australia and South Africa. The world needs aluminum cans and lumber...
jul 11, 2025, 1:40 pm β’ 4 0 β’ view
PM Carney is currently negotiating with those other more reliable Trading Partners.
jul 11, 2025, 3:43 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
Just do it. SHOW him you mean business. As an American Veteran that has studied a bit of history, just let me say this, the USA is in an unstoppable downward spiral now. Any posturing plays into Trump's tiny, cruel, hands.
jul 11, 2025, 10:41 pm β’ 5 1 β’ view
And that is per definition not negotiation anyway, its blackmailing
jul 11, 2025, 3:22 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
He needs a reason to invade us. If we stop trading, Shitler will say our resources are needed for national security and he nukes Ottawa.
jul 11, 2025, 4:30 pm β’ 4 0 β’ view
I may be very naive but I highly doubt the majority of the American people would allow that to happen. That might be the final straw.
jul 11, 2025, 4:33 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
He has convinced the military to act against the American people in California - I definitely would not count on either the military or the people being able to convince him to back off on Canada whether they support or it not.
jul 12, 2025, 11:38 am β’ 5 0 β’ view
They are not doing a very good job at protecting their own. Why would they care about us?
jul 11, 2025, 5:09 pm β’ 6 0 β’ view
Exactly!
jul 12, 2025, 3:18 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
Interesting thought but I guess I would challenge you to live through a total upheaval of democracy and your country in 6 months and then tell me how we arenβt doing it well and donβt care about you. We absolutely do. Every single day however we are at the mercy of a capricious regime.
jul 11, 2025, 5:16 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
Orange Caligula is a dictator.
jul 12, 2025, 4:01 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
Always has been and as a gerontologist I can tell you as he gets older he will only become more of what heβs always been.
jul 12, 2025, 4:03 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
And that's on top of his fetal alcohol syndrome disorder. He's literally never been right in the head.
jul 12, 2025, 4:06 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
I knew he is a product of abuse and neglect with numerous personality disorders but was unaware of the FAS. Interesting to consider.
jul 12, 2025, 4:11 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
He has classic FASD psychological and physical symptoms.
jul 12, 2025, 4:12 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
That may be true, in part. Nuking us is out of the question. Canada would be uninhabitable. Can't just nuke a city.
jul 12, 2025, 3:11 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
You do realize you're talking about an idiot with a government full of idiots I don't think there's a intelligent person in the White House now or the red but Republicans held Congress and Senate they have absolutely no clue
jul 12, 2025, 4:37 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
Yes, absolutely! They're all a bunch of out of control imbeciles. And I believe he could make up some reason to invade us. He won't nuke us though, that's all I was saying.
jul 12, 2025, 4:48 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
I don't think you'll nuke us either but I wouldn't put it past them to bomb that s*** out of us with everything else and all a bunch of psychopaths and I wouldn't be surprised it probably don't let him have the keys
jul 12, 2025, 6:13 pm β’ 1 0 β’ view
The piece of shit wanted to nuke a hurricane, so there's that.
jul 13, 2025, 2:37 am β’ 1 0 β’ view
The only option is to move trade away from the U.S. and establish new trade deals with allies accross the globe. Going forward deversifying trade is the only way to ensure economic security. Canada's mistake was putting all our eggs in one basket so to speak.
jul 11, 2025, 6:01 pm β’ 5 0 β’ view
Bring back the DST too!
jul 11, 2025, 2:11 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
That's what Trump wants: he's trying to ruin the US dollar for the cryptofascist tech bros who installed him.
jul 11, 2025, 2:56 pm β’ 14 1 β’ view
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jul 12, 2025, 11:32 am β’ 0 0 β’ view
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jul 11, 2025, 2:58 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
Iβll be happy to pay more for any product that does not come from the USA. There is a big world out there and Canada can find other trading partners who are not bullies, liars and babies. I believe itβs impossible to negotiate with someone who has no idea what it is they actually want. FU Trump.
jul 12, 2025, 5:08 pm β’ 0 0 β’ view
Being collateral damage isnβt a good feeling. Iβm angry. Iβm angry with all of those folks who sat on the couch through Election Day. Iβm angry with anyone who thought & thinks this is better. Carney has to do what he thinks is best for Canada. It could end up being whatβs best for the US as well.
jul 12, 2025, 3:12 am β’ 5 1 β’ view
I hope so. We all need a better world.
jul 12, 2025, 4:42 pm β’ 2 1 β’ view
I hate to say it, but appeasement doesnβt work. Not looking forward to the fall out but since congress is awolβ¦
jul 11, 2025, 1:07 pm β’ 6 1 β’ view
I'm hoping that Carney is working hard to solidify Canada's other relationships worldwide. When all is done I expect Carney, if at all possible, will tell Trump to pound sand. It'd be nice if we could just tell Trump to eat shit, but I believe that would be cutting our nose to spite our face.
jul 12, 2025, 10:05 am β’ 8 1 β’ view
He is, it just doesn't get any press.
jul 12, 2025, 3:06 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
Funny how sucking up & walking away from $2billion in DST doesn't seem to have worked. Who knew. Canada needs to pack up & walk away from the table with no comment, no threats, no argument. Donald feeds off audience reaction, don't feed him. #cdnpoli
jul 11, 2025, 6:58 pm β’ 7 0 β’ view
jul 11, 2025, 5:09 pm β’ 3 0 β’ view
The man's whole life is but around ultimatums. Because that is all hes got. No diplomacy or tact or negotiation power. Call his bluff. Cut him loose.enough of this shit.
jul 11, 2025, 2:21 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view
Do it!
jul 11, 2025, 8:36 pm β’ 2 0 β’ view