I still can't get over how stupid UK was to vote to leave the EU .. To actually choose to make yourselves poorer, with fewer rights & freedoms, less choice for more cost, to see UK breaking apart, descending into ugly English nationalism behind a (still descending) Gammon Curtain
Sounds like betting on yourself isn't something you're comfortable with.
“Behind the Gammon Curtain!”
People will say “we used to be a proper country” Yeah, we did. Before 2010 when public services weren’t being gutted. Before Farage fans weren’t in charge of the BBC, before people were held to account for lying or inciting racial hatred and blaming immigration for the govt’s ideological choices.
I'm just thankful for the USA,who have proven not just once but twice they can be even more self destructive than us. Shame about the world though.
And worst of all now that it has been proved Brexit was based on a pack of lies and has trashed our economy the labour government is paralysed with fear of even mentioning Brexit. Why?
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Still an EU citizen in my heart. I was born as one and it was stripped away from me by lying white fat men. I hate ‘England’ for what it stands for now (and colonialism) - was proud to be part of something bigger.
It appears we do not have a monopoly on stupidity. It does highlight how dependent society has been on the political and media classes “self policing” and how inadequate that has proved to be… or perhaps there is just a shortage of “good chaps”
And of course it was largely England that swung the vote.
The referendum result was advisory. We didn't need to leave but as Cameron fled the scene Theresa May felt she had to enact Article 50 even though as a remainer her heart wasn't in it.
And don’t ever forget as you ponder his new party that Jeremy Corbyn called passionately for immediate Brexit.
He supported article 50 in accordance with the result of the referendum. No more, no less. People have tried to dramatise that to prove this, that and the other about the Demon Corbyn, but that's all it was.
Nonsense. The referendum was advisory and he could have insisted it be treated as such and be debated properly in parliament. He wanted to leave.
Every referendum this country holds is advisory by law. Including the one that took us into the EU and the next that kept us there. You don't campaign for months and spend tens of millions to hold a referendum, get the result and then say 'Well, that was interesting. Moving on...' It's inane.
This is absolutely true however one feels that Cameron didn't prepare any ground for what might happen if he lost an *advisory* referendum because he was so bizarrely confident he'd win he not only didn't build in any wriggle room but insisted he'd abide by the result whatever it was
Can you imagine in this country going to all that effort to hold a referendum and then telling the electorate 'It's just an opinion poll we promise to think about'? It has never happened. I can't imagine it ever will.
Referendums are not part of the Westminster system anyhow – it should never have been cooled in the first place and it would have been more honest if Cameron had said what was true, that he never expected to lose. He could have set up the parameters more carefully in advance. It was very close.
I'm not sure there's any way to reduce a referendum to a mere opinion poll in that way. It should never have been called in the first place... but once it was, the path was set.
No. But I do think he could have left wriggle room. He didn't want to because he assumed he'd win
He shouldn't have called it in the first place. Once it was called, I don't think there was any wiggle room to be frank. There would have been riots.
Oh no. Riots! Like the recent riots?
Oh well, yes. Of course he should not. But he was arguably the worst PM since Eden and a suet faced pudding of a man
He should have insisted on a 2/3 majority. He could easily have done so. He could also have prevented his own ministers from campaigning for leave.
He could also have conducted citizens' assemblies, consulted and not run an absolutely fatuous, smug, useless campaign.
I haven't forgotten. If Corbyn hadn't history would be different. How long will it be before Brexit will be in history textbooks?
"UK" doing a bit of semantic heavy lifting there. Brexit is an English disease
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I think "You can't fix stupid" applies in this case but apparently they now want more of the same 🙄used to follow your posts on twitter before it became the cess pit X
The tory elite told lies and the English population bought it
That is exactly what has happened. Poor sods the Englanders are. Shame really.
Also, tbf it died not divide neatly along two party political lines either.
*did not 🤦♂️
*Enough of the English population outside of London 🤷♂️
Interestingly, however, not a single university city voted for Brexit. Tells you everything you need to know.
Unfortunately In England both preston and Lancaster voted leave and they’re both university cities.
I’ll give you Lancaster, but I don’t know of a university in Preston – probably just my ignorance.
In fairness it’s changed it’s name recently from UCLAN to university of Lancashire
Thanks – every day is a school day.
I only know because I was born in Preston and was desperately disappointed that they voted leave.
