Yeah…. I don’t think expecting your leaders to speak out openly against genocide is an impossible standard. Just me, maybe I just don’t appreciate the intricacies of foreign policy. If we’re there then I’ll just add this to my list of excuses to be cynical.
I agree. I also think speaking out against terrorism, kidnapping and rape is just as important. The leaders I want? They would be allowed to do both. Yet we seem to demand the one and deny the other. So they turn their message inward to be as vanilla as possible. And then get dinged even for that.
And what we demand, we seem to only demand from some. How is it that Harris was protested, boycotted and her every word (on this topic) was put to a purity test, all while the other candidate was given a pass and then elected into office?
If “stop selling missiles and bombs to the country that is using them to commit a genocide against a captive population” is what you call a purity test, then you’ve lost the plot
I'm not against that message. I just want it to be followed up, and with equal weight, by the message to "stop murdering, raping and kidnapping innocents in their homes and concert venues. Stop using your own people as shields" The plot is bigger than you give credit to.
But that wasn't the point of my response to the OP. It is that we hold some candidates to a different, much higher standard while allowing others to say and do anything without a thought. Harris' campaign in WI and MI was sabotaged (in part) by Dems on this exact issue. How is that working out?
Oh, I know, let's do the same to Andy Beshear. The only prominent Dem who has proven he can win in the reddest of states. Not for taking an untenable, radial position, but for merely saying that he doesn't believe in public fights with our allies. Seems self defeating
*radical
Bbenn has it correct. To listen to the media & these replies Gavin can’t, Andy can’t, & soon Pritzger won’t be able to beat the incumbent either cuz of shit like this. All Andy has 2 say is he’ll put a stop 2 the hate, here & abroad, then outline a plan to do it. U hate another race? No bombs 4U.
If winning means staying quiet about genocide then there is nothing to win that’s worth winning.
Is anyone asking you to stay quiet about genocide? Did Biden, did Harris, does Beshear ask that of you?
It feels like literally all the power structures in the West are aligned to stop people from speaking up against Israel’s genocide. Anyone protesting it is called an antisemite. People have lost their jobs for speaking against it. Trump has literally tried to deport people for being against it.
Read your last two sentences again. Yet he was the one given the pass on this during the election. He was the one elected Do you honestly believe Biden, Harris or Beshear would be firing or trying to deport anyone for that? Just doesn't seem smart to me
Starmer, Macron, several US senators and representatives, the UN. There’s plenty of people in the west decrying the genocide. It’s possible to discuss this without dehumanizing all of us further with generalizations.
Are you demanding everyone who criticizes the genocide also criticize Hamas? Because that's exactly what people like Harris did. In fact, politicians have been consistently more critical of Hamas than Israel. This feels like straw manning, unless I'm misunderstanding your point.
I'm not demanding anything. Do what you want based on your beliefs and understanding of the situation. I will say I find it difficult to understand anyone who can do the one and not the other.
Sure, but the number of people who do one but not the other isn't very large. Most of the people who do one but not the other criticize Hamas but not Israel. And Dem politicians do criticize both. So once again, it seems like you are criticizing your own straw man rather than engaging with reality.
Maybe, but then is it really a straw man when an elected Democratic member of the House, in a critical swing state, withheld support for the Harris campaign? The same member who posted a video espousing the phrase "From the river to the Sea"?
I see we've gone from straw manning to goalpost moving now. 🧐