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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

Chapter 8 ends with a flourish, declaring Bitcoin the perfect bubble. Just a reminder, this is supposedly a book diagnosing why science, technology, and culture have stagnated in the past couple decades. Their answer, somehow, is “HODL.” I’m pretty sure they forgot the question along the way.

increasing security Promotes Bitcoin's eschatology holds that we will reach the promised land when Bitcoin can be used anywhere and is the world's default unit of savings and account—in other words, when central banks hoard the digital currency and everyone denominates their net worth in bit-coins. Not since the days of Catholic indulgences has it been so easy to buy salvation. The Bitcoin bubble has balanced the mercenary motives of participants who just want to make money with the missionary goals of those who envision a better world. A world in which they will, incidentally, be extraordinarily rich.
aug 16, 2025, 9:08 pm • 37 0

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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

aug 16, 2025, 9:09 pm • 32 0 • view
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Jason Mittell @jmittell.bsky.social

Do you have a hotkey assigned to paste this GIF?

aug 16, 2025, 9:11 pm • 0 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

I really should

aug 16, 2025, 9:11 pm • 2 0 • view
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Jason Mittell @jmittell.bsky.social

It might be the most broadly applicable & insightful TV quote for our era

aug 16, 2025, 9:13 pm • 2 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

Chapter 9, “the metaphysics of progress.” Looks like this chapter is where they get faux-profound, talking about “the metaphysics of markets, bubbles, and technology more broadly.” Guys, you can’t clearly define what *a bubble* is. I’m just not gonna take your metaphysics puffery seriously.

realization of a future that is radicaly meren But what exactly is this enigmatic quality that drives bubbles? Next-generation models in quantitative finance and behavioral economics have started to incorporate herding and imitation behaviors into their analyses of financial bubbles. But while such cutting-edge research can illuminate the origins of market crashes by modeling these dynamics quantitatively, the nature of the imitation remains elusive. 326 What is the source of FOMO and YOLO, these fleeting feelings that move entire markets? To answer this question, we need to take a deeper look at the irrational exuberance that fuels technological progress. And for this, we must turn to the metaphysics of markets, bubbles, and technology more broadly. Beneath the spectacular boom and bust sequences and the emergence of category-defining and world-changing technologies, behind the utilitarian talk of
aug 16, 2025, 9:16 pm • 33 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

So much Rene Girard. Dare I say… TOO much Rene Girard? (Girard is Thiel’s favorite philosopher. And these guys are huge Thiel fanboys. This is not a difficult code to crack.)

Mimesis and manias: Violence, the sacred, and the economics of desire The French anthropologist and philosopher René Girard offers a powerful model of imitative contagion, which he suggests infects all domains of human existence. One of Girard's core insights is that our desire is mediated by the desire of others. (As an example, consider the rise of innumerable TikTok investor influencers.) Mimetic desire, he explains in his 1972 book Violence and the Sacred, is deeply antagonistic in nature and operates as the engine of social rivalry and conflict. In contrast to mere imitation, which refers to the positive effects of copying someone else's behavior (which facilitates learning, for example), mimetic desire-desiring the other's desire-opens up a deeply violent dimension. Exploring anthropology, religious history, myth, and works from Shakespeare and 19th-century literature, Girard shows that the same pattern repeats itself over and over again. Mimetic desire accumulates under the social surface until the tension is violently discharged in a sacrificial event. In ancient religions, this violence was collectively released through the scapegoating of a victim who was expelled by the community. After the sacrificial event, the vic-tim, who is often preserved in myth, eases the mimetic tensions and reconciles the threat of violence. Girard argues that this communal sacrifice-an act of all-against-one violence meant to prevent all-against-all violence—is the origin of the sacred. In other words, the sacred, which is culturally encoded in social rules, systems of pro-hibitions, and obligations, represents a social mechanism through which violence is self-exteriorized. It channels socially subversive and destabilizing violent forces so that violence can more efficiently be contained. (See Figure 3.) n an are i religious cult this scapegoating is rather straight-
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Jane Rabbit @janerabbit.bsky.social

oh boy! can we self-exteriorize our violence by sacrificially expelling Trump? That would take my mimesis way way down

aug 16, 2025, 9:37 pm • 0 0 • view
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Dermot Casey @dermotcasey.bsky.social

dare we say the biggest attribution to Girard is his fan boys all imitating each other.

aug 16, 2025, 9:21 pm • 0 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

I just read the phrase “markets — these sublime machines that synthesize beliefs and aggregate them into prices — instantiate a secularized version of the sacred.” …I’m pretty sure this a The Ring-type situation, and I will die within a week unless I force other people to read this cursed bullshit.

aug 16, 2025, 9:22 pm • 103 10 • view
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Jane Rabbit @janerabbit.bsky.social

oh brother good luck with that

aug 16, 2025, 9:39 pm • 0 0 • view
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Warhammerchick @celticdragon1.bsky.social

Baal wept with joy

aug 16, 2025, 10:05 pm • 0 0 • view
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Daniel Laurison @daniellaurison.bsky.social

Oh, man.

aug 16, 2025, 9:37 pm • 0 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

Oh cool now they’re quoting Nick Land because of course they are. These authors absolutely never interact with anyone capable of looking them dead in the eye and asking “what the fuck are you talking about?”

aug 16, 2025, 9:28 pm • 46 0 • view
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Russell Brandon @runtzel.bsky.social

Thank you for sifting through the sludge!

aug 16, 2025, 9:31 pm • 5 0 • view
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Ian Ramjohn @iramjohn.bsky.social

So where does the last 40 years of biology fit in with their model? PCR, CRISPR, mRNA? In the 70 years since structure of DNA was discovered I'd count multiple revolutions, and the spending on this field is a rounding error for LLM "research". (And medicine, and material science, and...)

aug 16, 2025, 10:24 pm • 3 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

It doesn’t come up on their book. (Presumably because they didn’t invest in it.)

aug 16, 2025, 10:34 pm • 3 0 • view
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Ian Ramjohn @iramjohn.bsky.social

Figured as much. It also doesn't support their thesis very well, does it?

aug 16, 2025, 10:56 pm • 2 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

I’ve now come to suspect that their actual thesis is “Peter Thiel will you please be our best friend?”

aug 16, 2025, 10:59 pm • 3 0 • view
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Melody von Rock @melodyvonrock.bsky.social

Cryptocurrency contributes NOTHING to economic productivity. And its data centres are significantly warming the planet. Crypto traders are UNPRODUCTIVES.

aug 16, 2025, 11:21 pm • 1 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

The final chapter is a haze of quasi-religious mumbling. They want us to get pumped about some exciting new bubbles. Those bubbles are like AI and space travel and fusion energy… basically the standard VC dreamboard of the past decade or so. They end with yet another ecstatic Thiel quote.

aug 16, 2025, 10:39 pm • 31 0 • view
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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

My final thought is something I mentioned upthread: this book’s sole value is as a sociological artifact. It is interesting to the degree that it reveals what the tech-rich sound like when they are trying to impress one another. It really has no other redeeming value though. 🤦

aug 16, 2025, 10:44 pm • 62 1 • view
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audreyii_fic @audreyii.bsky.social

if there's anyone left in 300 years it'll be a useful primary source

aug 16, 2025, 10:46 pm • 1 0 • view
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Rod Van Meter @rdvquantum.bsky.social

Thank you for your service.

aug 16, 2025, 11:54 pm • 0 0 • view
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BleepBloopBloam @bleepbloopbloam.bsky.social

Whoa. I am pretty sure this entire thread is a bubble. Think about it, won't you?

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Dave Karpf @davekarpf.bsky.social

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Philip Koop 🇨🇦 @philkoop.bsky.social

A case of narapoia katie.rivard.org/woodv/narapo...

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S @miriparhelion.bsky.social

... do they explain at any point in what way they think Bitcoin will make the world a better place or do they expect their readers to take that as a given? This is reminding me of assertions that self-driving cars are a climate solution w/out any mention of how, let alone a compelling argument.

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