I spoke to another person this week—also a US-born citizen—who showed me the DHS email she received informing her that she had to leave the country. Incompetent, evil or both?
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I don't think it's incompetence. Stephen Miller spent four years developing his mass deportation plan, and he doesn't care about laws or procedures.
apr 12, 2025, 5:25 pm • 6 0 • view
Don't give in. Fight for your rights as an American citizen!
apr 12, 2025, 7:41 am • 2 0 • view
Never put down to malicious intent what can be explained by absolute obliviousness. Applies to traffic and DOGE. DOGE (doh-gy) doesn't give a single crap.
apr 12, 2025, 2:40 am • 0 0 • view
The first thing that comes to mind when I read these things is that Chuck Schumer is not the person to head the Senate at this time. It is a disaster. And Gillibrand is not the person to head the Senate Campaign Committee. Can’t imagine how frustrating it must be to be Cory Booker or Mark Kelly.
apr 12, 2025, 6:27 am • 0 0 • view
Oh, both. That’s easy.
apr 12, 2025, 2:06 am • 0 0 • view
Both, of course.
apr 12, 2025, 5:09 am • 0 0 • view
Incompetent, but conveniently normalizing.
apr 12, 2025, 1:56 am • 2 0 • view
That’s what I said. Incompetence or intimidation. Either way, they suck!
apr 12, 2025, 2:23 am • 0 0 • view
both
apr 12, 2025, 2:10 am • 0 0 • view
NGL - I was born to a US citizen parent and a green card holder on US soil. I feel like my citizen status is questionable.
apr 12, 2025, 3:00 am • 1 0 • view
Both. www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comm...
apr 12, 2025, 3:01 am • 2 0 • view
D: All of the above
apr 12, 2025, 2:34 am • 0 0 • view
Why? They are US citizens
apr 12, 2025, 2:42 am • 1 0 • view
Terrorising people again. Patterns emerging.
apr 12, 2025, 7:05 am • 0 0 • view
Another post had a comment that they are trying to push the question of birthright citizenship before scotus and may be trying to use this as a possible method of getting it there. Definitely incompetent evil
apr 12, 2025, 2:01 am • 17 0 • view
She's an immigration lawyer. I fear this was a deliberate punishment for helping people this regime hates so much.
apr 12, 2025, 1:58 am • 33 1 • view
Is her email address down as a contact point for any of her clients? These people are stunningly incompetent as well as evil, but that seems more likely than that they seriously think they can revoke the parole of someone with an Italian last name who was born in Massachusetts.
apr 12, 2025, 2:09 am • 16 0 • view
Speaking of incompetence and evil, the social security dead list they’re arbitrarily adding people to is terrifying. If recent history is any indication, the error rate will be astronomical, and will destroy lives.
apr 12, 2025, 5:19 am • 9 0 • view
Do you know for certain this is happening? No, you don't.
apr 12, 2025, 8:54 am • 0 0 • view
or similar, but his administration has been public about it.
apr 12, 2025, 6:26 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes, it was declared publicly by his moronic press secretary.
apr 12, 2025, 6:24 pm • 0 0 • view
Definitely both. Incompetent evil is the worst kind of evil
apr 12, 2025, 10:13 am • 1 0 • view
Yep
apr 12, 2025, 2:24 am • 2 0 • view
Both. The USCIS Reddit is full of people getting this email, and I think they're hoping people will "self deport" so they don't end up in camps.
apr 12, 2025, 2:45 am • 3 0 • view
Where would I self-deport to, I wonder. 🤔 My ancestors are from many different places, some known, some unknown. Do I just pick from one of the countries? What do I say when I get there? “Hi. None of you know me, but I’m home! America has returned me.” I don’t even have a passport.
apr 12, 2025, 4:06 am • 5 0 • view
The idea is to turn you into a non-citizen, so that then you can be enslaved. If you’re marked as dead, in the official records, that makes it even easier.
apr 12, 2025, 5:47 pm • 0 0 • view
Related: bsky.app/profile/reic...
apr 12, 2025, 3:24 am • 2 0 • view
This has to be a crank. An e-mail notice to an immigration lawyer's office at 2:11 am ending a citizen's "parole"status. "Big Balls" has no future in comedy or pranks.
apr 12, 2025, 2:04 am • 1 0 • view
I can help explain why this is happening. You are probably already aware, but Trump, Elno, DOGE, & the entire administration is using ChatGPT to write policy. Linda McMahon, Secretary of the Department Of Education likes to refer to it as ‘A One’. We’ll have the best A1 in our schools 😄
apr 12, 2025, 6:53 am • 7 0 • view
Here's some information re. having dual US- Italian citizenship. Italian Citizenship through Parents, Grandparents & Great Grandparents Italian Citizenship through Parents, www.italiandualcitizenship.net/italian-citi...).
apr 12, 2025, 2:54 am • 1 0 • view
How legal are these as they aren’t addressed to anyone (only sent to an email they have on file which could be your immigration lawyer or an email address no longer active)?
apr 12, 2025, 8:45 am • 0 0 • view
I think we’re told over and over again that they don’t contact on official business via email so ignore them, they’re likely scams. Same apply here?
apr 12, 2025, 3:15 pm • 0 0 • view
So what now they are just assuming if you don’t have a white sounding name, you must be here illegally?
apr 12, 2025, 2:53 am • 1 0 • view
I don’t know, but that email is the work of people who are getting a little too much pleasure out of disrupting other people’s lives
apr 12, 2025, 2:00 am • 4 0 • view
Both.
apr 12, 2025, 2:44 am • 2 0 • view
We can't be too smug about this in the UK, as 12 yrs ago our centre right govt piloted a similar tactic. But the US is now plumbing the depths with this (deliberately?) error ridden, individually targeted hate campaign. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013...
apr 12, 2025, 6:53 am • 5 1 • view
I would say both. 🗽🇪🇺🇺🇦🌻
apr 12, 2025, 4:51 am • 0 0 • view
When does DHS come for Melania or Musk or Thiel or Murdoch or Burnett or or or?
apr 12, 2025, 1:54 am • 49 1 • view
DHS doesn’t. The people do.
apr 12, 2025, 2:33 am • 22 1 • view
Yessssss.
apr 12, 2025, 12:22 pm • 2 0 • view
They won’t come for the billionaires.
apr 12, 2025, 5:15 am • 1 0 • view
Gonna need more Luigis.
apr 12, 2025, 11:43 am • 1 0 • view
As soon as Mahmoud Khalil was abducted we all knew that U.S. born citizens would soon be sledding down that very slippery slope. But wow that happened fast.
apr 12, 2025, 2:28 am • 36 2 • view
And if the judges allow it, no one is safe from the gulags.
apr 12, 2025, 3:13 am • 8 0 • view
I think it was meant for one of her clients. Sometimes attorneys will file a form saying they represent you and their contact info is entered. I bet that’s what they’re doing to every immigration lawyer who filled out the form (forgot the form #)
apr 12, 2025, 2:07 am • 4 0 • view
AI generated deportation lists
apr 12, 2025, 2:45 am • 2 0 • view
Mainly evil
apr 12, 2025, 6:50 am • 0 0 • view
bsky.app/profile/reic...
apr 12, 2025, 6:14 am • 24 5 • view
Wow seriously, someone thought it would be a good idea to send out random notices like this over email? Cue up the “you are being deported” unless you send us Bitcoin scam.
apr 12, 2025, 6:57 am • 19 0 • view
this is a new level of fucked up. They’re just going to send that out and hope people will deport themselves.
apr 12, 2025, 8:22 am • 6 0 • view
I think they are evil and lazy
apr 12, 2025, 2:07 am • 2 0 • view
As I am sure many replies already say: both.
apr 12, 2025, 6:53 am • 0 0 • view
people need to sue doge and musk and the gov to kingdom come.
apr 12, 2025, 6:35 am • 10 0 • view
Both, of course, and that is a terrible combination. Good but incompetent: at least they're trying. Evil and competent: at least you know where you stand. Good and competent: would be nice, I expect.
apr 12, 2025, 8:16 am • 0 0 • view
The answer is of course, both.
apr 12, 2025, 2:15 am • 0 0 • view
Both.
apr 12, 2025, 2:24 am • 1 0 • view
Welp…gonna go check my other email accounts…
apr 12, 2025, 4:38 am • 0 0 • view
Dang it. No threatening email. Was excited at the possibility of asylum in an actually free country. Bummer.
apr 12, 2025, 4:48 am • 1 0 • view
apr 12, 2025, 4:58 am • 0 0 • view
Why was this notice sent at 2:21 AM? Is that normal?
apr 12, 2025, 2:29 am • 0 0 • view
The immigration lawyer getting the email makes sense. Probably their email was used on a client's application. They should check and see if a removal case has been generated, otherwise this is likely a scare tactic. But if the other citizen you're talking about isn't involved in immigration law...
apr 12, 2025, 2:54 am • 2 0 • view
bsky.app/profile/tome...
apr 12, 2025, 2:02 am • 0 0 • view
trump's stupidity. No your stupidity. He knows exactly what he's doing.
apr 12, 2025, 8:51 am • 0 0 • view
As we have seen, it is Evil, tempered by incompetence. However, when you deport people who have legal right to be here, than that is more evil on top of incompetence. The cruelty is the point.
apr 12, 2025, 1:57 am • 8 0 • view
Sadly, Bannonites in Italy just restricted the law to granparents, not great grand parents.
apr 12, 2025, 6:34 am • 0 0 • view
When the competence is lacking by plan, it's evil. Even neglect is an evil. Evil is not a high bar at all.
apr 12, 2025, 3:15 am • 1 0 • view
…they email you?
apr 12, 2025, 2:01 am • 1 0 • view
Seems to maybe be a pattern...
apr 12, 2025, 2:02 am • 59 2 • view
I’m US-born but may have a USCIS account (can’t recall) from trying to help immigrant friends. Got an email notification yesterday about a login attempt. Which I ignored, but could it be tied to this malevolence?
apr 12, 2025, 2:53 am • 15 0 • view
So the government is randomly sending these emails out and hoping for a hit, kind of like spam. Everyone should treat these letters like spam.
apr 12, 2025, 2:56 am • 7 0 • view
This looks very generic. I’d be checking the email header details to get more info on where that email actually came from. There’s a thread on Reddit with people getting same email. Even some that aren’t in the US. www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comm...
apr 12, 2025, 3:30 am • 1 0 • view
Both
apr 12, 2025, 12:52 pm • 0 0 • view
Incompetence mainly (but also evil as most of the people paroled are waiting for their asylum hearings) but these notices are likely being emailed to the email that an undocumented person probably has on file with DHS and people use their attorney's email address for notices..my best guess for this
apr 12, 2025, 1:57 am • 12 0 • view
Yes, and the attorney will have no idea which client this applies to, making it useless as notification. At a certain level, incompetence is functionally the same as evil.
apr 12, 2025, 2:10 am • 9 0 • view
i know where the fuck is the A# and the name?
apr 12, 2025, 2:12 am • 2 0 • view
Mail merge must be woke, or something.
apr 12, 2025, 2:15 am • 5 0 • view
Arendt warned us what it would be like.
apr 12, 2025, 2:52 am • 1 0 • view
Both
apr 12, 2025, 2:29 am • 0 0 • view
I’m still stuck on the part where they are sending an official notice by email.
apr 12, 2025, 2:33 am • 4 0 • view
Well, Trump announces policy on truth social, so…🤷🏻♀️
apr 12, 2025, 12:27 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes
apr 12, 2025, 1:52 am • 3 0 • view
My guess is they're using AI instead of brain cells
apr 12, 2025, 8:04 am • 2 0 • view
apr 12, 2025, 12:24 pm • 0 0 • view
I don’t understand where they are to go. Anyone born here has no option to self-deport elsewhere, even if all the rest of the letter was correct.
apr 12, 2025, 8:01 am • 0 0 • view
Both. I said earlier that I'm not angsting for the immigration attorney. She was joking about Italian citizenship and she knows how to fix these things. But for other birthright citizens who don't know the system and would have to pay for help, this is a real problem whether evil or incompetent.
apr 12, 2025, 3:11 am • 4 0 • view
apr 12, 2025, 2:36 am • 0 0 • view
What does your heart tell you? Mine says it’s both. Malicious incompetence.
apr 12, 2025, 2:01 am • 2 0 • view
Basically, when they realized they had made a mistake and saw that it had CAUSED HARM, they were pleased.
apr 12, 2025, 2:02 am • 1 0 • view
Targeted? I half wonder if these aren’t meant to be subtle warnings to people on a list somewhere
apr 12, 2025, 4:21 am • 0 0 • view
Both. But if they can get away with it.. they will.
apr 12, 2025, 1:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Testing the waters. If there isn’t significant backlash after one of these folks is “picked up on accident” they’ll take it as a green light.
apr 12, 2025, 2:00 am • 3 1 • view
Both
apr 12, 2025, 2:16 am • 2 0 • view
Both
apr 12, 2025, 2:23 am • 0 0 • view
Mostly the first and a bit of the latter for flavoring
apr 12, 2025, 2:05 pm • 2 0 • view
@nick-carmody.bsky.social 🧵⚖️
apr 12, 2025, 6:27 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes.
apr 12, 2025, 5:47 am • 2 0 • view
bsky.app/profile/noon...
apr 12, 2025, 1:59 am • 4 0 • view
You are weirdly obsessed with this angle. Hell, I';m autistic and even I got the Italian citizenship question wasn't serious...and other American citizens have gotten this email. It's not a Russian opp. Also, people can delete posts.
apr 12, 2025, 3:51 am • 6 0 • view
Negligence when combined with power has an evil all its own.
apr 12, 2025, 1:58 am • 3 0 • view
i can’t say much about this person other than her lifestyle does not at all make her an obvious target for political punishment.
apr 12, 2025, 2:26 am • 465 20 • view
There's something screamingly obvious about her life, though: she's an immigration lawyer. The US isn't going to want those around to defend anyone.
apr 12, 2025, 2:34 am • 9 1 • view
i was talking about the person i spoke to, not the immigration lawyer
apr 12, 2025, 2:37 am • 13 0 • view
Ah! I'm sorry, context slipping through my fingers again.
apr 12, 2025, 2:41 am • 1 0 • view
Terrifying.
apr 12, 2025, 2:32 am • 0 0 • view
The DOGE boys have screwed up royally.
apr 12, 2025, 3:43 am • 1 0 • view
Incoming: Govt lawyers say “🤷♂️” to judge in response to order requiring “immediate re-importation” of US citizen/lawyer, tariff questions and staff furlough raise challenges at USSC.
apr 12, 2025, 3:21 am • 1 0 • view
Marisa, real talk, if we happen to receive one of these letters, what should we do? Immigration attorney? Immediately file a habeas? Is this something you can put in the Handbasket?
apr 12, 2025, 2:45 am • 24 0 • view
If you can afford it, attorney.
apr 12, 2025, 2:46 am • 12 0 • view
If you have absolutely zero money, then what?
apr 12, 2025, 2:54 am • 15 0 • view
I wish I knew. I'm in the same boat and it's only through begging my boyfriend's conservative mother that I can afford one eventually.
apr 12, 2025, 2:56 am • 0 0 • view
That's why I was asking Marisa to put out information about it. I genuinely don't know. I have all the documents to prove I'm a citizen but if I'm asked to leave? I have nowhere to go. I have no money. I can't afford an attorney. I have no familial resources to ask. Like I have no options.
apr 12, 2025, 2:57 am • 2 0 • view
The USCIS subreddit might be of some help, there are a lot of people like me - current immigrant - and you - naturalized (I think?) - asking the same things and getting help.
apr 12, 2025, 3:00 am • 1 0 • view
Exactly. Where would you GO. That’s the most evil part of stripping someone’s citizenship away. Oftentimes this is IT. So basically it’s a jail sentence with no hope of reprieve. #ElSalvador Because if you aren’t (or cannot prove you are) a citizen, that’s it. Apparently locked up 🔑🗑️
apr 12, 2025, 3:01 am • 1 1 • view
I would also say contact the media. You have to use your head about this and think about which media you trust, which can stand up to pressure and shares your values, but consider it.
apr 12, 2025, 3:20 am • 3 0 • view
I have a media source at The Intercept. Might be needed.
apr 12, 2025, 3:44 am • 0 0 • view
Good choice.
apr 12, 2025, 3:48 am • 2 0 • view
Check with NIJC, they may be able to find you a pro bono attorney but I'm sure they're backed up
apr 12, 2025, 2:59 am • 3 0 • view
Did she ever install the CBP One app? I would bet they sent it to anyone who downloaded it, even if they didn't use it for themselves.
apr 12, 2025, 3:49 am • 1 0 • view
I've used that app for years and didn't get this email. My cousin who's an immigration lawyer ALSO didn't get it, but one of her colleagues did. I think it's a DOGE-fucked data set.
apr 12, 2025, 6:25 am • 6 0 • view
Fuck, that's even worse. I hate this timeline.
apr 12, 2025, 6:37 am • 2 0 • view
Not another immigration atty? Someone else commented on OP they received the email also.
apr 12, 2025, 1:57 pm • 2 0 • view
They’re both but this instance is incompetence
apr 12, 2025, 1:55 am • 5 0 • view
Ok good. I literally tagged you not too long on this.
apr 12, 2025, 2:26 am • 0 0 • view
that’s how i saw it! thanks
apr 12, 2025, 2:27 am • 2 0 • view
Here's my question, would they use this as an excuse. Well we sent you notice, you didn't get it but we told you that's why we snatched you. But since it's not going to the actual client the 7 day tick starts when they submit the email?
apr 12, 2025, 2:29 am • 0 0 • view
Also any info on the self register for undocumented? People are starting to freak...
apr 12, 2025, 2:30 am • 0 0 • view
Fascists are often stupid in addition to being fascist
apr 12, 2025, 2:08 pm • 7 0 • view
Fear. They are trying to invoke fear. Because that’s what bullies thrive on.
apr 12, 2025, 1:59 am • 3 0 • view
Both incompetent and evil. They’re sending email to attorneys without including an actual name…was that email intended for a client of that attorney?
apr 12, 2025, 2:19 am • 0 0 • view
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. That is terrifying. I'd be hiding somewhere. These people could easily be disappeared! We all must help everyone at extra risk. We all are clearly at risk but to get a letter!!
apr 12, 2025, 3:03 am • 1 0 • view
@lassiewelsh.bsky.social see above! 😱
apr 12, 2025, 6:58 am • 1 1 • view
Unbelievable 😱😱
apr 12, 2025, 7:17 am • 1 0 • view
Pretty shocking stuff.
apr 12, 2025, 8:05 am • 1 0 • view
Are these notices even authentic? Do they usually come with terminologies saying the person has been on parole in this country. I'm hoping they don't comply and they take DHS court. Especially for the immigration lawyer I suspect that this is harassment because she helps immigrants.
apr 12, 2025, 2:30 am • 5 0 • view
They seem like spam. I don’t understand the “parole” language. Definitely, scary for someone to get this given what we are seeing every day.
apr 12, 2025, 3:25 am • 0 0 • view
SMDH
apr 12, 2025, 1:55 am • 2 0 • view
Im voting evil. Probably DOGE fucking up but DHS doesnt care. DOJ doesnt care.
apr 12, 2025, 2:03 am • 1 0 • view
Illegal
apr 12, 2025, 10:16 am • 1 0 • view
What’s the email routing source? I think it might be targeted SPAM.
apr 12, 2025, 2:32 am • 4 0 • view
Both
apr 12, 2025, 2:25 am • 0 0 • view
Both
apr 12, 2025, 2:03 am • 0 0 • view
Also a lawyer or something? Or seemingly random?
apr 12, 2025, 2:00 am • 1 0 • view
Both.
apr 12, 2025, 10:38 am • 2 0 • view
Sickening
apr 12, 2025, 3:36 am • 1 0 • view
@immcouncil.org @americanbar.org @reichlinmelnick.bsky.social @hrw.org I'm sorry, natural born American Citizens are supposed to "self-deport" to where exactly? Through an app mind you. Again per Immigration Law and American Law and a
apr 12, 2025, 10:01 pm • 0 0 • view
recent Supreme Court order Due Process through a court of law is an undeniable right of every PERSON of the U.S.A.
apr 12, 2025, 10:01 pm • 1 0 • view
Fucking evil!
apr 12, 2025, 3:14 am • 2 0 • view
How about Neuralink in times of deportations? youtu.be/Kbk9BiPhm7o?...
apr 12, 2025, 6:56 am • 0 0 • view
youtu.be/j3bDI0sekBI?...
apr 12, 2025, 7:09 am • 0 0 • view
Did your parole start when you were born or when you started kindergarden?
apr 12, 2025, 7:09 am • 0 0 • view
Parole? Yeah that's not a thing for citizens. Probably incompetence as any immigration lawyer worth a damn would know that's bs
apr 12, 2025, 3:55 am • 3 0 • view
Both, but mostly evil
apr 12, 2025, 2:31 am • 1 0 • view
we sure that’s not a phishing scam or just bloody-mindedness? has anyone seen the headers?
apr 12, 2025, 2:35 am • 3 0 • view
Who is "they"? Specifically.
apr 12, 2025, 8:47 am • 0 0 • view
It’s only a matter of time before “parole” becomes “citizenship.”
apr 12, 2025, 8:46 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes
apr 12, 2025, 2:05 am • 44 0 • view
My friend and I have been arguing about this exact question for, well, years now. He likes to quote Hanlon’s Razor. While I think it’s both, I think the Pareto Principle strikes again and it’s more like 80% evil, 20% stupidity/arrogance/incompetence.
apr 12, 2025, 2:26 am • 34 1 • view
I'm a big believer in "why not both?" Because I don't think it fundamentally changes our response and spending too much time arguing is kind of a waste of time.
apr 12, 2025, 3:58 am • 12 0 • view
I do not think it is. This is a highly coordinated, extraordinarily well funded, international right wing disinformation campaign using a combination of authoritarian dictator tactics including those of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mousillini, Putin, ect. If you wan to fight it you must understand it.
apr 12, 2025, 4:43 am • 5 0 • view
Knowing history is always essential. But history also teaches you there are patsies, con men, and sheer luck involved. Is most of this effort heavily funded by various conservative oligarchs? Totally. But assuming these dictators are brilliant in more than charisma/politics gives too much credit.
apr 12, 2025, 6:31 am • 5 0 • view
I don’t think it’s the dictators themselves necessarily. Depends on the dictator. This one definitely isn’t smart but he’s a great fascist leader and surrounded by all the right people who have been working on overthrowing and dismantling the US government for 40 years.
apr 12, 2025, 12:59 pm • 1 0 • view
When it happens in a personal relationship, Hanlon’s razor is helpful to avoid you from accusing someone of evil unnecessarily. When it comes from an organized governmental agency, there's no question it's evil. The incompetent is only in the execution.
apr 12, 2025, 12:12 pm • 5 0 • view
Read @anelsona.bsky.social’s book ShadowNetwork it will help you understand how we got here. Read Anne’s article about the origins of Trump’s doctors, how they pushed quack cures, and down played the virus to prematurely oven the economy.
apr 12, 2025, 12:55 pm • 2 0 • view
We really need to stop pretending their blatant criminality is due to incompetence. They are calculated in every effort to sabotage freedom and dismantle dissent.
apr 12, 2025, 2:18 am • 3 0 • view
D: all of the above.
apr 12, 2025, 1:55 am • 6 0 • view
both
apr 12, 2025, 4:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Bad intimidation tactic or straight up incompetence.
apr 12, 2025, 2:34 am • 2 0 • view
But also they’re just evil.
apr 12, 2025, 2:34 am • 1 0 • view
I’ll go with both.
apr 12, 2025, 3:01 am • 0 0 • view
Going full Pinochet.
apr 12, 2025, 3:10 am • 0 0 • view
Great time to sue!!
apr 12, 2025, 1:31 pm • 0 0 • view
Coincidence that both US citizens receiving the email were women? Maybe women are now "parolees" in the US?
apr 12, 2025, 7:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Apparently, it was a "mistake". One of many. www.wunc.org/2025-04-04/d...
apr 12, 2025, 4:16 am • 0 0 • view
Mostly the former, but the fact that they don't care is a sign of the latter
apr 12, 2025, 7:49 am • 0 0 • view