Lists and starter packs used for harassment will not be visible to other users in the Bluesky app. Existing subscribers will remain subscribed to the list.
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Is there an easy way to see which lists or starter packs you are included in and does an individual user have any control (ie can they remove them selves from a list or starter pack)?
apr 16, 2025, 10:36 am • 7 1 • view
No-one has answered the second question. How can you remove yourself from a list or a starter pack (especially if the list/pack creator has then blocked you)? Surely a user ought to have control over the lists or starter packs that they appear in? @bsky.app
apr 18, 2025, 1:22 pm • 3 0 • view
clearsky.app
apr 16, 2025, 10:41 am • 13 0 • view
Thank you! Someone showed me my page on this a while ago but I didn't write it down and forgot it. Cheers
apr 17, 2025, 9:32 pm • 0 0 • view
Careful. The teenage edgelords will have you on a couple of dozen lists with puerile names for this kind of sanity.
apr 23, 2025, 12:41 am • 1 0 • view
Please give people the ability to remove themselves from lists! Blocking the creator of the list should remove me from the list!
jun 5, 2025, 6:05 am • 0 0 • view
So your response to an abusive list is to push it underground and cement the damage it had done...?
apr 16, 2025, 8:02 pm • 9 0 • view
I don't really give a shit what you think on this matter; the only acceptable way to deal with a list that YOU HAVE FOUND TO BE ABUSIVE is to undo the blocks, unsubscribe everyone, delete the list, and MODERATE THE ACCOUNT.
apr 16, 2025, 9:30 pm • 6 0 • view
Hey @safety.bsky.app why are you still refusing to delete abusive lists and punish their creators?
may 15, 2025, 4:43 am • 0 0 • view
Can you maybe start with deleting lists that belong to suspended accounts? I'm on a load of defamatory or incorrect lists as shown on clearsky that I can't report because the authors have been removed. A bit of housekeeping wouldn't go amiss.
apr 16, 2025, 5:20 pm • 14 0 • view
So does this mean I can make a private list seen only by myself, by just making its title very rude? Also, I thought that on BlueSky you could remove yourself from a list by blocking the list owner. From reading the rest of this thread and replies, I now realise you can't remove yourself like this!
jul 5, 2025, 1:50 pm • 0 0 • view
Why can you banned these ppl from the app & remove me from these vile lists. 🤬
apr 25, 2025, 12:39 am • 3 0 • view
I'm sorry A list used for harassment is going to still be allowed to exist? Just "hidden"? And you're still not going to give users a reliable way of getting themselves removed from libelous lists?!
apr 16, 2025, 4:16 pm • 22 0 • view
You need to let us remove ourselves from lists. You can't make a system where anybody can put anybody on any list for any reason with any description and title and then give the people put on those lists no way of protecting themselves from the inevitable libel. Ditch the lists. Entirely.
apr 16, 2025, 4:16 pm • 27 2 • view
If a list exists for harassment, IT SHOULD BE REMOVED. Not "hidden". Removed, and its creator banned. Period, full stop, no questions, no warnings. Stop enabling harassment. Give us the ability to remove ourselves from lists. And ban Jesse Singal.
apr 16, 2025, 4:16 pm • 29 1 • view
That's the way to do it. I don't really understand lists etc but it's a joke how trolls can just add us to awful lists to get us wrongly blocked/attacked by others. And once that damage is done, too bad, they win - we can't message everyone and say "you can unblock me, I'm not really a porn bot".
apr 17, 2025, 9:31 pm • 9 2 • view
One of the bigger issues of Bluesky.
apr 25, 2025, 2:38 pm • 1 0 • view
This is the problem exactly stated. The Bsky lists enable the toxicity they claim they want to avoid.
apr 21, 2025, 7:26 pm • 1 0 • view
Correct, they should be removed & since I for one have sent email to them, well, not much so seeing that @safety.bsky.app are aware, I will give them time and if still nothing then I will follow other channels (I deal with CTI and SE)... but correct by allowing this they transgress regulations.
apr 17, 2025, 1:29 am • 0 0 • view
I was added to a block list by a blocked user after I blocked the account. How is this still possible?
apr 25, 2025, 2:25 pm • 5 1 • view
Same issue. Absolutely nothing is being done to protect us. Just talk! No results. I just got added to a list today: Accounts That Report Conservatives.' This platform is turning into XShitter 2.0! No mods are monitoring or helping with harassing accounts! #MIAblueskyMods
may 5, 2025, 4:05 pm • 2 0 • view
Will existing subscribers to hidden lists be able to see these lists and unsubscribe? Or is this basically the "troll list owner deleted their troll list, now everyone is blocked forever" situation in a different shade of shit?
apr 17, 2025, 9:54 am • 2 0 • view
Hi, I've searched for support on Bsky & can't find a place to report an issue. I've attempted to tag some of our senators & all of their addresses come up as "invalid address". Just for you to try; try Senator Adam Schiff, Senator Sanders. Thanks for your help. 🙂
jun 1, 2025, 1:03 pm • 0 0 • view
@amsred.bsky.social
may 22, 2025, 7:52 pm • 0 0 • view
Allow us to be automatically removed from lists of creators we have blocked.
apr 16, 2025, 1:01 pm • 12 1 • view
But you're not going to remove people who use that feature to try and make other people kill themselves?
may 19, 2025, 3:57 pm • 1 0 • view
Will someone who we have blocked be able to add us to these lists? Just because people can’t search for them doesn’t mean the owners can’t still add people trying to escape by blocking. Thanks for not reading any of my feedback. 🙄 I expect more generic response emails.
may 29, 2025, 3:14 pm • 0 0 • view
If your list is hidden, you can edit it to comply with our terms, then email moderation@blueskyweb.xyz for review. Our aim is to address toxicity while preserving list functionality.
apr 16, 2025, 10:29 am • 1,036 118 • view
you havent provided a clear path for users to address these things. The listing really isn't the issue it's the labels showing up on posts/profiles, and the flakiest losers in human history play-acting internet cop.
apr 28, 2025, 3:46 am • 1 0 • view
Please change your moderation email, it looks like a scam, you can still have it forward to a new address that's actually from a domain we interact with
apr 16, 2025, 12:06 pm • 8 0 • view
Yep, it shows be "moderation@bsky.app" or something
apr 16, 2025, 12:49 pm • 5 0 • view
Could you please make it possible that if you're on a moderation list and you block that account you are removed from the list. I've been put on some and have had zero engagement with the account owner.
apr 20, 2025, 5:46 pm • 14 0 • view
This is a good request, thank you.
apr 22, 2025, 12:36 am • 3 0 • view
It's a problem. I'd like to see a few things here. Soft-blocking Blocking removes you from their lists Pictures in Chat. The end of moderation lists if possible.
apr 22, 2025, 1:06 am • 5 0 • view
What about having an option for making a list private. I find them useful to categorize users and see their posts by category. Would greatly appreciate having that functionality - it does exist in Twitter/X
apr 16, 2025, 6:34 pm • 3 0 • view
Maybe you can remove those lists permanently, if the list owner prefers not to react.
apr 16, 2025, 10:39 am • 17 0 • view
Well done 👏👏👏
apr 17, 2025, 6:53 am • 2 1 • view
Then be better than Twitter and add a setting option to block lists in general.
apr 16, 2025, 4:04 pm • 0 1 • view
What about an option to unsubscribe from a deleted list? I subbed to a anti csm list that turned out to be anti queer, I'm still blocking people from it with no way to get rid of the block.
may 9, 2025, 7:19 pm • 5 0 • view
It's a start, now remove mass blocking. This was always a bad idea and obviously ripe for abuse.
apr 17, 2025, 10:00 am • 9 0 • view
oml how is that damn email still not changed yall need to do something about it
apr 16, 2025, 10:32 am • 52 0 • view
yeah I feel like a broken record at this point with how often I ask them to change it
apr 16, 2025, 10:54 am • 12 0 • view
Feel like I'm missing something here, what's the problem with it?
apr 16, 2025, 12:51 pm • 5 0 • view
the *official* moderation email is under the domain "blueskyweb.xyz", which is the sketchiest sounding domain they could possibly use
apr 16, 2025, 1:24 pm • 20 0 • view
it really should be "moderation@safety.bsky.app" but they are still using a domain from i think the very early days of bluesky
apr 16, 2025, 1:25 pm • 16 0 • view
Thanks, but "sketchy" seems entirely subjective to me. Also you can verify it's real in 5 seconds just by searching for it on here, plus they still use the domain for some business comms which can be seen on several pages on the company site. Can't imagine many will really be put off by it
apr 16, 2025, 1:33 pm • 3 0 • view
just because it is possible to look it up and verify it doesn't give an excuse to not change it. it's also hilariously stupid looking at these two on the website
apr 16, 2025, 1:40 pm • 10 0 • view
🤷🏼♂️ Not excusing anything. I just don't think it rates as that much of problem
apr 16, 2025, 1:42 pm • 3 0 • view
just see reddit for people asking if that do ain is a scam, lol
apr 16, 2025, 1:38 pm • 3 0 • view
domain*
apr 16, 2025, 1:38 pm • 2 0 • view
I am glad to see you are starting to do something about this, because the abuse of moderation list is getting out of hand. It seems for many its become a tool for harassment which goes against Bluesky's community standards.
apr 22, 2025, 7:11 am • 53 3 • view
👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
apr 23, 2025, 2:33 pm • 6 0 • view
Absolutely!! I was about to leave Blue Sky over it...
apr 25, 2025, 9:26 pm • 2 0 • view
It also kills engagement
apr 29, 2025, 8:11 pm • 6 0 • view
You desperately need to prevent people that a user has blocked from adding them to lists. If I block user X, user X should NOT be allowed to then add me to a list. This is almost entirely done for harassment purposes. This simple change would prevent a lot of harassment.
apr 17, 2025, 1:42 pm • 155 21 • view
That is not viable, that would completely defeat the purpose of moderation lists.
apr 20, 2025, 1:23 am • 4 0 • view
It absolutely would not. All it would do is prevent people from using lists to harass others from behind a block.
apr 20, 2025, 2:46 am • 5 0 • view
If all I need to do to get off a list is to block the creator then moderation lists are functionally useless
apr 20, 2025, 2:48 am • 4 0 • view
That's not what I'm talking about. If I block you, you should not be able to add me to a list AFTER that point in time. I thought I was really clear. If I block you, you should not have access to my account to then add me to an abusive list after the fact.
apr 20, 2025, 2:51 am • 7 0 • view
That still makes no difference. Then they just preemptively block all large moderation list creators when they make their troll account. And that is if the person just stays within the app, on the protocol level they can do whatever they want, blocks are just appview level enforcement.
apr 20, 2025, 3:20 am • 1 0 • view
Unless I am grossly mistaken, lists and moderation lists are separate. This change I believe only applies to the former. i.e. to lists designed to follow people. i.e. hate-follow lists rather than block-lists or mute-lists (resubmitted because I can't type worth shit)
apr 20, 2025, 2:53 am • 0 0 • view
They are not seperate things, the difference is just on the app side on what interactions the list offers in the UI. If you see being added to a list as harassment it also doesn't make a huge difference if its a mod list or a normal list.
apr 20, 2025, 3:16 am • 1 0 • view
I mean UX wise a normal list should result in increased (negative) engagement while a modlist should result in decreased engagement. I am surprised they aren't separate under the hood tho.
apr 20, 2025, 3:19 am • 0 0 • view
Lists are just entries on your PDS/DID. You own your DID and can create lists containing whatever you please. The only thing differentiating them for the app is the purpose meta tag that is added to a list. Atm we got modlist and curatelist. They are both part of your app.bsky.graph.list collection
apr 20, 2025, 3:27 am • 2 0 • view
You can take a look how data is structured in an atproto browsing tool like atproto-browser.vercel.app
apr 20, 2025, 3:28 am • 2 0 • view
And of course if you modify the list records directly you can do whatever but I feel like given the meta tag exists as a distinction, at an appview level they should be able to differentiate them re: hiding lists for adding blocked accts.
apr 20, 2025, 3:31 am • 1 0 • view
I'm talking about any list. Nobody that I have blocked should be able to add me to a list, any list, of any kind, once I've blocked them.
apr 20, 2025, 2:54 am • 0 0 • view
In theory I'd agree but that opens a massive avenue for spammers and disinfo propogators to just block all the major modlist operators to avoid repurcussions And ofc modlists are about avoiding interaction rather than trying to interact with someone so adding to a modlist isn't against block intent
apr 20, 2025, 2:59 am • 1 0 • view
THIS
apr 17, 2025, 5:25 pm • 10 0 • view
This ^^^ it is the primary means of harassment for bot swarms and trolls. One little change, one, will cut down on the work you need to do and make everyone on the platform safer
apr 17, 2025, 1:53 pm • 27 1 • view
^^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE FELLAS
apr 17, 2025, 8:22 pm • 2 0 • view
Only problem is what's stopping them from having a friend do it or them making another account.
apr 18, 2025, 11:42 am • 0 0 • view
Agree
apr 20, 2025, 5:42 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes exactly!👏👏☝️
apr 26, 2025, 11:01 pm • 2 0 • view
They don’t care. It would have been easy enough to say: too many have abused the list function, therefore we’re removing it. That would be the only acceptable solution.
apr 17, 2025, 1:47 pm • 10 0 • view
I’ve been put on some really unsettling ones for just sort of existing and I’ve been extremely concerned about it—reported them and nothing. But PLEASE make it so we can REMOVE ourselves or are sent a request to accept/reject. That’s what we REALLY need!
apr 17, 2025, 11:23 am • 27 3 • view
I have once been put on a list for inexplicable reasons, posted a "respectfully, what did I do wrong?" with a tag on the owner, and got an apology for the mistake. But I admit that's rare, and is unnecessary work.
apr 21, 2025, 2:37 pm • 0 0 • view
***THIS***
apr 17, 2025, 12:25 pm • 1 0 • view
If you uncork the lists that contain all the toxic MAGAts, what is going to happen to this platform? If they had to approve their presence in those lists, do you think they would? Then what? Do you think anyone in their right mind is going to block thousands upon thousands of people one at a time?
apr 17, 2025, 11:25 pm • 1 0 • view
I agree there is a lot of misuse and abuse but...I'd rather be on some stupid random list than have the site taken over by MAGAts and other unsavory characters of every description. Maybe there is a better approach to this that strikes a balance but I haven't heard it yet.
apr 17, 2025, 11:25 pm • 2 0 • view
Honestly? I don’t care about people being annoyed by maga people. If you’re here, you can block. My problem is people, especially *minorities* already experiencing abuse both irl and online being put on lists threatening us directly (which is what is happening to me currently). If your biggest
apr 17, 2025, 11:46 pm • 3 0 • view
Issue is “the maga people annoy me because I’m an otherwise privileged Democrat” i think you’re probably gonna live.
apr 17, 2025, 11:47 pm • 1 0 • view
If someone puts me on a list Because someone is racist/ableist there is literally nothing I can do. I can’t remove myself. I can’t block them because they’re cowards who block you first(but can unblock any time) I literally have to go on a separate website to even find out. That is my problem.
apr 17, 2025, 11:49 pm • 1 0 • view
I get what you're saying but, if it's not done thoughtfully, this turns into X, which defeats the purpose. Then you are flooded with hate from all directions and each person has to block the thousands of asshats individually. If it comes to reporting, they can also brigade and report us...🤷♀️
apr 18, 2025, 4:07 am • 1 0 • view
Although I'm not happy being added to petty and dumb lists, I haven't given this much thought so I'm not sure what the solution may be but I think I'll now it when I see it. Maybe use a hashtag so the conversation around this topic can be more easily followed by all + we can pitch in?
apr 18, 2025, 4:07 am • 0 0 • view
This. I'm tired of being added to lists by completly random people.
apr 17, 2025, 12:11 pm • 8 0 • view
Same. ESP. In the current climate being added to ones that call me a “t3rr0r1st” is really unacceptable, and then they block you, so you’re literally helpless. I genuinely thought of leaving because of it but I need *some* kind of platform so I feel sort of trapped (and always unsafe).
apr 17, 2025, 12:17 pm • 9 0 • view
Yeah, I got one that added me to a NSFW toys list along with over a hundred other folks at random for fun and refused to remove us. I blocked them, but they never deleted the list until their account was deleted.
apr 17, 2025, 12:40 pm • 5 0 • view
This seems mostly fine and good, but could you include information about in what way the list doesn't comply with the terms somewhere in that process? I got an e-mail about a list and I have no clue what to change about it (if I did agree to change it).
aug 16, 2025, 9:26 pm • 0 0 • view
You should delete all the lists.
apr 17, 2025, 11:12 pm • 8 0 • view
That's really stupid. Lists are gold. Both to follow people and blocking. I don't need racists, misogynists, terfs or fascists in my feed. And I need to find good people to follow.
apr 18, 2025, 7:07 am • 7 0 • view
So you agree to give the power to someone you don't know to tell you who is racist... Lists are a good way to create a dictatorship
apr 18, 2025, 7:26 am • 3 0 • view
I just don't subscribe to the lists. I look through them and pick out who to follow/block on a case by case basis.
apr 18, 2025, 8:39 pm • 4 0 • view
Someone can add you into a list, just because you follow someone he doesn't like, or he thinks you are (choose an insult) or he justs want to create a mess and all the people who subscribe to this list are blocking you
apr 19, 2025, 5:58 am • 2 0 • view
Yeah, I know. I don't use block lists, personally. Others think it's a good idea, but I don't let other people tell me whom to block without thinking through it myself. I think block lists make this too easy, but I don't disagree with the concept of someone wanting to block me. I'm a bit split.
apr 19, 2025, 12:57 pm • 0 0 • view
Yes, lists _can_ be used negatively. So choose block lists that are created by people you know and/or have a very specific purpose. Most people worried about this are the ones thining in these terms. Im on "Pro-Hamas, antisemites, nazis" and "Fascism supporters". Not correct and not a problem.
apr 19, 2025, 6:05 am • 1 0 • view
Through block lists I block 22000 accounts. I have stopped using a couple of block lists because I didn't trust them. I still got 35000000 accounts to follow, and Bluesky gets more users every day than I have blocked in a year.
apr 19, 2025, 6:09 am • 1 0 • view
Block lists are mostly a problem for shitty people or people with too much shitty behaviour.
apr 19, 2025, 6:10 am • 1 0 • view
Someone added me to a list of “people who follow Rachel Maddow”. I kind of admired their commitment to crazy. I agree blocking someone should remove you from their lists / prevent them from adding you to new lists.
may 5, 2025, 11:14 am • 2 0 • view
That's a straw man argument, and you know it. Going back to X and spread some of your wonderful "insights".
apr 18, 2025, 8:24 am • 1 0 • view
You need to allow users to remove their name from lists. I am on several block lists of "troublemakers" and "haters" and all you can do is make them invisible???? NOT enough
apr 16, 2025, 11:04 am • 28 3 • view
For real, I'm on several from ai bros and others that are pissed I have an anthro animal as my pfp Like double edged sword it will stop people from being on the ai labeler lists as well but there's gotta be something that works
apr 16, 2025, 3:34 pm • 1 0 • view
Same here.
apr 16, 2025, 3:22 pm • 1 0 • view
Same
apr 17, 2025, 2:31 am • 1 0 • view
I think the best thing you can do is allow us to remove our names from lists, as well as prevent someone from adding us to a list, simply by blocking that person. If you block the list owner you are removed from the list and they can't add you to another That way we control who is allowed to list us
apr 20, 2025, 6:24 pm • 255 33 • view
This is the way and much easier.
may 5, 2025, 7:40 pm • 9 0 • view
But it also kinda makes the list irrelevant. If someone got put on a list for harassing people, and they want to keep doing it, they’re obviously going to remove their names from the list. I don’t know the answer here, to me it kinda seems like a fundamental problem with the idea of the lists.
may 13, 2025, 9:07 am • 7 0 • view
If they remove their names they would have to block that person, then they wouldn't be able to harass them. There has to be some way for us to control whether we're on a list. The lists themselves are used for harassment.
may 13, 2025, 12:41 pm • 7 0 • view
i have multiple blocked users that add me to the same abuse lists every other day
may 22, 2025, 10:33 pm • 8 0 • view
Then the list item should be removed. I don't make lists, I've never put anybody in a list. It's Gestapo, it's fascist.
may 13, 2025, 11:10 am • 2 0 • view
Plus 1
apr 30, 2025, 3:36 pm • 1 0 • view
That would be the way to do it!
apr 21, 2025, 6:56 pm • 2 0 • view
Agree 100%! I had someone just add me to a list because I blocked him, because he has been doing this to others. I want my name off this RANDO’S list, because I don’t think he has a right to add me to negative lists just because he doesn’t like being blocked.
aug 4, 2025, 8:18 pm • 1 0 • view
I totally agree with this!
apr 22, 2025, 7:14 am • 15 0 • view
Excellent suggestion!!! 👍👏👏👏👏
apr 21, 2025, 2:26 pm • 6 0 • view
Curation lists? Absolutely. But moderation lists should stay the way they are until they fire whoever's putting false Rude and Intolerant labels on people for *responding* to death threats instead of banning the trolls who *post* them.
may 5, 2025, 11:41 pm • 4 0 • view
💯
jun 5, 2025, 1:01 am • 3 0 • view
My thought exactly.
apr 23, 2025, 2:40 pm • 3 0 • view
Why even HAVE a *List* option? They just beg for abuse. Lists should be visible to the author only.
jul 17, 2025, 11:07 am • 1 0 • view
YES!!!!
jun 7, 2025, 9:17 am • 1 0 • view
🎯
apr 22, 2025, 7:11 am • 4 0 • view
I second this!!!
jun 17, 2025, 9:09 pm • 1 0 • view
I'm surprised that's not a given. Great idea!
jul 2, 2025, 1:34 pm • 2 0 • view
That email looks very fake
apr 16, 2025, 11:03 am • 6 0 • view
It’s not. They set it up when they didn’t have a domain yet and once you put an email out there it’s a pain in the tail to change it. Plus, Google has really good email tools. It’s real. Use if if you have to.
apr 17, 2025, 2:33 am • 1 0 • view
They could just make a new one, gradually switch to it and keep the old one active. It's not like they have a thousand newsletter subscriptions and logins tied to it.
may 8, 2025, 5:55 am • 0 0 • view
📌
apr 25, 2025, 2:28 pm • 0 0 • view
Much appreciated
apr 17, 2025, 5:26 pm • 3 0 • view
We should be notified the moment someone tries to add us to a List. Then allow us to be removed and block the list creator. Someone disagrees with me on something? All manner of hateful and abusive list activities ensue. You need to address this.
apr 21, 2025, 7:23 pm • 10 1 • view
This will tell you when you are added to a list or blocked. I would love a way to remove ourselves but until then, I report the harassing list & the user, then block them. I also block anyone who blocks me. It slows it down a bit. @listifications.app
apr 22, 2025, 7:10 am • 6 0 • view
Yes there is Bad actors utilizing mod list! But there is this account bsky.app/profile/did:... That keeps adding me to normal list's even though we are mutually blocking each other. So my name won't appear to others on his/her lists. .... 👇
apr 16, 2025, 7:22 pm • 5 0 • view
Another thing about that account, it is every now and then, the account itself I believe is been deactivated and reactivated? @safety.bsky.app As I know when I have the account blocked my account won't appear to others (not mod)! So it doesn't worry me, but why is the account at this?
apr 16, 2025, 7:22 pm • 0 0 • view
Feature Requests 👉 Private lists, only visible to the creator 👉 Public lists, subject to moderation 👉 EU data laws: I should be able to disallow the use of personal data by other people. This is EU law! 👉 Blocking would then include: Don't use/store my data! -> I must be removed from your list!
apr 16, 2025, 12:42 pm • 21 1 • view
That last point would break moderation lists - eg someone (correctly) added to a list of anti-LGBT+ accounts could just block the list creator and be removed from it.
apr 17, 2025, 10:33 am • 3 0 • view
Moderation services are and should be different and IMO are the better solution. Mod. servivces have a reputation to lose. That's a social costs — an incentive not to abuse. Many public block lists are by accounts solely created for making blocklists. No social cost — don't care about errors.
apr 17, 2025, 1:56 pm • 2 0 • view
Moderation service accounts could be unblockable by individuals, yet suspendable by an independent governance body independent from Bluesky PBC, the company. Here is why:
apr 17, 2025, 2:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Turkey demands "moderating away" dissidents from the official Bluesky App. But a fork of the App could remove the moderation feature and unblock all. So to fight authoritarians you would have to remove some protection that you get by blocking. Idea: Independent moderation less vulnerable to govs.
apr 17, 2025, 2:51 pm • 0 0 • view
Individual accounts who make block lists, are now surprisingly vulnerable and can easily be "moderated away" in any country on the order of an authoritarian government, if you use the official Bsky App. Sorry for the long answer. You made a good point! It's a tricky problem for @safety.bsky.app
apr 17, 2025, 2:52 pm • 0 0 • view
I am aware, that there are more new questions than answers...
apr 17, 2025, 3:11 pm • 0 0 • view
I am not a lawyer. Please consult some EU data security lawyers, to make sure you implement compliance on the #ATProto level.
apr 16, 2025, 12:51 pm • 3 0 • view
Thank you, now please ban the transphobes. Yes, even the rich and popular ones.
apr 16, 2025, 1:07 pm • 23 0 • view
Do we have the option to just make a private list?
apr 16, 2025, 4:17 pm • 4 0 • view
Thank you for finally doing something about this issue
may 2, 2025, 8:10 pm • 5 0 • view
I've just looked at Clearsky, and nope. There are quite a few insult and slander lists that are NOT hidden. And hiding the names but not the lists doesn't help much. Oh, and false is still false, even if it's in another language.
apr 16, 2025, 4:56 pm • 8 2 • view
They did *not* say it was retroactive. This announcement specifically used the language "moving forward", that would be why.
apr 16, 2025, 5:27 pm • 6 0 • view
I don't think so. The names of some of the lists are not showing, where they were before. I think it's that they have a lot of catching up to do.
apr 16, 2025, 5:31 pm • 1 0 • view
Soft block is a must - blocking an account MUST remove that account's "follow" and MUST remove your account from all of their lists - even if you then unblock again. This is the only way to prevent harassment. And we all know it. 😡
apr 16, 2025, 1:39 pm • 137 7 • view
If you can remove yourself from a list by blocking the list creator then there is zero reason for the 'moderation' lists to exist Personally, while I see the potential for abuse, I like the concept of decentralized moderation. This is definitely a step in the right direction
apr 16, 2025, 1:49 pm • 43 2 • view
And with a decentralized system, you can't make blocks unfollow as I understand it.
apr 17, 2025, 3:49 am • 2 0 • view
Personally I don't think any kind of "user run" moderation where you can just slap everyone you don't like on a "pedos and rapists" list with no way for them to remove themselves from it is a type of moderation that deserves to be permitted to exist.
apr 16, 2025, 6:51 pm • 39 0 • view
I agree and I think that not allowing people to use pejoratives in the list descriptions is a good start. will be interested to see what additional changes Bsky makes
apr 16, 2025, 7:12 pm • 7 0 • view
Who decides what is a “pejorative”? TREF, Homophobes, racists…these are all going to be “pejoratives” to bsky.
apr 16, 2025, 7:43 pm • 3 0 • view
yes and I think rightfully so. if you want to make a personal block list and you choose to include people that YOU believe are homophobes, racists, etc. you can the current setup often leads to what is basically slander for public block lists you have to keep the naming generic / non specific
apr 16, 2025, 8:21 pm • 1 0 • view
The problem though is people outright lying about their list being something innocent but it's being used maliciously to trick unsuspecting users into blocking and muting people under false pretenses. It's an issue inherent to the list feature itself, sadly.
apr 16, 2025, 9:41 pm • 4 1 • view
Which is what this change will prevent
apr 16, 2025, 10:02 pm • 0 0 • view
How so? From what it reads like to me, it would only be able to address lists that are blatantly abusive. There's a *lot* of ways to make a list meant to defame innocent people or silence minorities but dress it up pretty enough that it passes inspection. It's a long-standing tactic.
apr 16, 2025, 10:36 pm • 1 0 • view
prohibition list to track all resist and hate speech before being added. like a month
jul 8, 2025, 1:50 pm • 0 0 • view
probation
jul 8, 2025, 1:50 pm • 0 0 • view
If you don't want to be added to a bigotry list, then don't be a bigot. It is not by chance that they most well-known TERFs rub elbows with fascists.
apr 17, 2025, 10:28 am • 1 0 • view
Plenty of bad actors create a list that is labeled "known racists, maga" and then add anti maga people and minority allies. So this is trying to address that kind of deceitful categorizing of accounts
apr 17, 2025, 4:46 pm • 2 0 • view
Huh. I don’t think you understood my point. I am saying those are going to be considered “bad words” so people can’t properly categorize them, but any language those people use to categorize things will be ok still.
apr 17, 2025, 1:43 pm • 0 0 • view
Like, transphobes will still be able to use transphobic language in their lists, but they will be protected.
apr 17, 2025, 1:44 pm • 0 0 • view
That only works if the list creator is acting in good faith. That does *not* work when the list creator is an asshole, troll, or a bigot themselves trying to cause problems. I've seen it here and elsewhere that people make "bigot lists" and shove innocent minorities they want to silence on them.
apr 17, 2025, 6:31 pm • 4 0 • view
The TERF one was exactly what came to mind first--they already love to scream that it's a slur, and I trust zero services this large to have a consistent, objective, good-faith approach to deciding these things. (...Given my time on small forums, I don't trust small services either tbh)
apr 16, 2025, 7:53 pm • 3 0 • view
as far as I know there is no objective, universally recognized body that decides what is and isn't a slur. so name your list "accounts Summon Spirit of Angst doesn't want to see on BSKY" and then people can subscribe to it.
apr 16, 2025, 8:23 pm • 0 0 • view
Not going to lie someone else pointed out TERF was going to get this treatment!
apr 16, 2025, 8:36 pm • 2 0 • view
The problem with that limited solution is I've already seen many lists that outright lie about what they are. "Transphobe" blocklists filled with trans ppl the creator didn't like. Other lists that their abusive nature only makes sense if you have very specific context making reporting them useless
apr 16, 2025, 7:51 pm • 16 0 • view
yeah... which is why having a list named 'Transphobes' won't be allowed. As you said many of the lists are wildly misrepresenting what they are
apr 16, 2025, 8:25 pm • 0 0 • view
Why not? What about legitimate lists of transphobes?
apr 17, 2025, 9:46 am • 4 0 • view
There is no way to determine a list is legitimate. That is the whole issue they are trying to respond to
apr 17, 2025, 9:48 am • 1 0 • view
I get the problem they're trying to fix. But you fix that by being effective enough at community moderation to not have a need for them in the first place.
apr 17, 2025, 10:11 am • 3 0 • view
If there's no way...then why do we have them??? Sounds like an insoluble issue.
apr 17, 2025, 11:57 am • 3 0 • view
Can you imagine trying to legislate the truth-bounds of, say, a list of liberals?
apr 17, 2025, 11:56 am • 1 0 • view
(Honestly I even tried to figure out how to explain one of 'em but the context needed to understand why a seemingly-innocent list may actually be a huge red flag that it's probably bigot-pushed agenda takes more words than I have in me right now and spans at least a decade of subculture bullshit)
apr 16, 2025, 8:02 pm • 6 0 • view
i am NOT saying that this fixes everything but you should probably take those lists with a few grains of salt until you vet who the user running it actually is
apr 17, 2025, 7:20 pm • 2 0 • view
That's 100% advice I suggest for anyone who does use a list--and keep checking in to make sure it didn't change hands to an abusive owner or that it wasn't a case of "they did the work to look good and now are abusing the feature that they have your trust". Personally I just manually block/mute.
apr 17, 2025, 7:32 pm • 2 0 • view
I have seen lists that look like they’re designed by MAGAs trying to get people to block legitimate accounts.
apr 18, 2025, 11:24 pm • 16 1 • view
I'm guessing you have been around long. I lost at how many lists I have been added to that were just harassment lists. At least a couple a week & growing. I am also on many lists that are good. I do NOT block them. That is how it works. You only block & (hopefully in future) get off shitty ones.
apr 22, 2025, 7:16 am • 1 0 • view
I don’t think you can remove yourself from lists though? Unless I’m mistaken
apr 16, 2025, 5:49 pm • 1 0 • view
You can't. And I'm saying I'm ok with that
apr 16, 2025, 6:09 pm • 2 0 • view
While it may sound good at first thought, if anyone can remove himself from any list on his own, lists will make no sense at all any longer. If you can remove yourself from a list you consider abusive, the bad guys will also be able to remove themselves from lists you want them to be on ...
apr 17, 2025, 12:47 pm • 5 0 • view
hard disagree, there is nothing preventing people from individually blocking bad actors. lists do as much harm as good
may 23, 2025, 7:41 am • 0 0 • view
Hard agree 💯
apr 16, 2025, 2:45 pm • 3 0 • view
soft blocks for direct follows is sorely needed. i don't know about the list part
apr 16, 2025, 6:07 pm • 2 0 • view
📌
apr 16, 2025, 10:37 am • 0 0 • view
Thank you!!!
apr 17, 2025, 3:00 am • 5 0 • view
The issue here is that you are super worried about protecting the list owners, but not worried about protecting the people added to lists, despite blocking the owners.
may 29, 2025, 3:15 pm • 34 4 • view
Exactly. Protecting rude and harassing people who use lists to abuse people while we are standing here and get no protection for them. :(
jul 8, 2025, 10:45 am • 2 0 • view
Bluesky "Safety" prioritizes list functionality over user consent, when the fact is, my leaving a list I was added to without my consent has nothing to do with 'functionality'. Unless the 'function' is harassment.
may 3, 2025, 2:59 am • 6 0 • view
It is LONG past time for a block to remove a follower, and to remove you from their list. This is so basic that it makes me wonder why basic safety is being deferred, delayed, and ignored. Bump this one to top of the list. It's the most broken thing about @safety.bsky.app .
may 3, 2025, 2:53 am • 12 2 • view
They know. They don't care. They didn't care back in May. And they still don't care.
jul 31, 2025, 4:26 am • 2 0 • view
^^^^^^^ Fucking this....
may 20, 2025, 5:36 pm • 1 0 • view
Smash that feedback button 😎
may 20, 2025, 5:41 pm • 0 0 • view
NEVER FORGET this is a social media site "not caring" is SOP (standard operating procedure) It is up to the user to either accept its shortcomings, or not If you do not, yet wish to stay, some things must be ignored, studiously As my employer used to reply to me "If you don't like it, leave"
apr 17, 2025, 3:06 pm • 0 0 • view
Am I advocating that requesting changes be made should cease OF COURSE NOT just don't expect a SM site to care Or to change Until that change benefits it as well it is not there yet
apr 17, 2025, 3:06 pm • 0 0 • view
I know others have said this, but please change that email address to something that doesn't look like a phishing scam domain. You are not a small website anymore. You have millions of users and need to be more professional if you want people to take you seriously.
apr 16, 2025, 10:49 am • 26 0 • view
(To be clear, I am in favour of Bsky moderating lists more, but I feel like they haven't really grasped how much this site has grown in the last few months. Maybe that's just me though)
apr 16, 2025, 10:51 am • 3 0 • view
Soon, people will freely move their data between multiple sites similar to Bsky. Your data is yours. If you secure your own domain, you make the rules. This is the goal. Bsky, and others will be the airport facilities, and you will be an airline. There will be some ground rules, the rest is on you.
apr 16, 2025, 11:09 am • 1 0 • view
Thank you so much.
apr 16, 2025, 9:32 pm • 8 0 • view
💚 🙂 👍
apr 17, 2025, 1:25 am • 0 0 • view
Good!
apr 16, 2025, 10:30 am • 6 0 • view
Thank you!
apr 17, 2025, 2:39 pm • 2 0 • view
Yup - lists that actively promote users to automatically block other users is simply intolerant. No normal real life society would allow this to continue.
apr 16, 2025, 10:36 am • 9 1 • view
Allowing people to choose to exclude others is not intolerant. Your demands that everyone has to suffer your opinions is not free speech. Just your arrogance. Now feel free to exercise your freedom and block me. Fool.
apr 16, 2025, 10:46 am • 21 0 • view
🔶 Not enough is being done to address the libelous and slanderous lists being made against me! Please review the email correspondence again: "FW: Moderation Lists Misused to Defame My Profile" - 4/4/2025 8:56 AM
apr 16, 2025, 2:32 pm • 1 0 • view
I can 100% relate since I have reported the same via email and all I get back after some days is a generic response, any rate, just thought to mention the same in my case.
apr 16, 2025, 3:47 pm • 0 0 • view
Thank you for these improvements. I *strongly* second what @spryoldlorax.bsky.social says. The current system lets people I blocked—maybe for harassment—continue to harass me from behind a block, while I can’t find the blocked account to report. This shields harassers. bsky.app/profile/spry...
apr 17, 2025, 9:12 pm • 131 27 • view
Agreef
apr 20, 2025, 4:58 am • 3 0 • view
Sounds like a good step. Will you implement a solution for when a list has been deleted but people are still blocked? The deletion should ideally resolve the block as well.
apr 17, 2025, 10:58 am • 7 0 • view
Way to go, BlueSky. 🙄 Your new rules are now hiding lists that were created to protect us from the actual harassers who put us on lists falsely calling us an assortment of hostile, defamatory names, yet now you restricted a list calling them (the MAGA harassers) “Deplorables.” Your “help” is lame. 👎🏻
apr 20, 2025, 3:07 pm • 9 0 • view
Supposedly there are lists where people have "consented" to let their posts be scraped for AI. I'm on one of those lists even though I did not consent to any such thing.
apr 17, 2025, 11:08 am • 6 0 • view
Please could you elaborate on this What lists?
apr 17, 2025, 3:25 pm • 0 0 • view
I went to the clearsky.app link and typed in my name, and saw I was on a list that was marked in that way. I found your list at the same time... thanks!!! 😇
apr 17, 2025, 4:03 pm • 1 0 • view
while it is nice to see on what lists one is added without consent, not much can be done.
apr 18, 2025, 7:17 am • 0 0 • view
I just hope you don't consider harassment to have list of fascist to easy block them
apr 17, 2025, 9:42 am • 9 0 • view
Will links to moderation lists still work even if hidden?
apr 16, 2025, 6:11 pm • 1 0 • view
When is this expected to take effect, because it's not happening now.
apr 17, 2025, 10:46 am • 17 1 • view
Thing is, on GitHub '24 they acknowledged that this might be an issue, they should have 1) either "list pending moderation verification" or 2) not allow this in the first place instead, they just ran with it KNOWING about this, I would expect a statement from them on this to clarify why.
apr 17, 2025, 1:01 pm • 3 1 • view
Or make them private. I don't need more reminders that trans people are targets for hate and that people would prefer we didn't exist. Allowing users to lock their accounts and make them private is also an essential safety feature that's missing. We've been calling for this since 2023.
apr 17, 2025, 1:19 pm • 9 3 • view
Tbh they’re definitely not going to do that, they’ve already committed to tech that purposely doesn’t do that
apr 20, 2025, 6:29 am • 1 0 • view
Last I heard from Paul, locked accounts were still on the agenda, even if user safety isn't a priority.
apr 20, 2025, 12:45 pm • 1 0 • view
That’s the version for protesters, the goal is to keep us from leaving the site and it’s predictably working 🤷♀️ whatever they actually provide will be laughable. and they’re right about the realpolitik- where are we gonna go, Masto? Threads? rancid
apr 20, 2025, 1:40 pm • 0 0 • view
I can only add by saying that I have been pressuring them on actual 2-way authentication not this email based authentication and in that regard... I can attest they have not responded once, can almost say they will roll out paid subs before ANY of what you, me, others mentioned time & again
apr 20, 2025, 1:37 pm • 1 0 • view
Yep, there was a session about private data in general at the recent atproto conference - they're still in the "who, what, why" brainstorming phase and want to engage the community to co-develop what it'll look like, but its hitting the roadmap in small pieces: docs.bsky.app/blog/2025-pr...
apr 21, 2025, 4:59 pm • 1 1 • view
Session Video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4W3...
apr 21, 2025, 4:59 pm • 0 0 • view
Session Notes: wiki.atprotocol.community/en/atmospher...
apr 21, 2025, 4:59 pm • 0 0 • view
Thanks for this. Hopefully I was just totally wrong
apr 21, 2025, 5:01 pm • 1 0 • view
Sure, I guess my general consensus is that they should have anticipated this, your idea is solid also. I suppose my concern is just why they knew this a year ago and yet here we are... I am with you in terms of trans people btw, not against. But Nico, thanks for the reply... appreciate it!
apr 17, 2025, 1:23 pm • 0 0 • view
They knew this two years ago. They knew this when they launched mute/block lists and user lists. We told them they would be weaponized. And they were. Immediately. Bluesky didn't listen then and they're not listening now.
apr 17, 2025, 1:26 pm • 5 0 • view
that long ago, yeah I was use this app back then, but jeez, yeah no that is completely unacceptable, it pretty much shows how little they care. Thing is, it seems these lists target trans people far more than other lists... but I am holding them to this completely unacceptable.
apr 17, 2025, 1:32 pm • 0 0 • view
Labellers have also been weaponized against marginalized folks and those labellers continue to exist. Bluesky simply doesn't care. You're probably already familiar with the controversy surrounding Bluesky's head of trust and safety -- a position that didn't even exist until users lobbied for it.
apr 17, 2025, 1:29 pm • 5 0 • view
Nope, honestly, I am only familiar with the fact that they claim they a moderation / safety team, I joined close to end last year Nico. Perhaps what you mention have a lot to do with that but safety applies to all people and simply means they are discriminating. Glad you are vocal
apr 17, 2025, 1:37 pm • 0 0 • view
💙👍
apr 17, 2025, 1:26 am • 5 0 • view
so you're saying it's acceptable to have users on your platform creating lists directly targeting people because of disabilities or other things they don't control. Because there are a lot of those. delete the list and kick the creator, problem solved.
apr 16, 2025, 7:49 pm • 49 4 • view
I agree
apr 16, 2025, 8:57 pm • 2 0 • view
So there's actually zero consequences for creating harassment or libelous lists, the creators just get to rename them to get them republicized? This is not good enough. Harassment drives decent users off the site. You're giving KNOWN abusive users plausible deniability by letting them change names!
apr 16, 2025, 11:25 am • 29 2 • view
📌
apr 17, 2025, 11:41 am • 0 0 • view
can you just delete the list and reprimand the users making them instead of dancing around it
apr 16, 2025, 5:25 pm • 17 1 • view
Wouldn't it be better for moderators to (a) completely remove the list at hand and (b) allow users that were added to starter packs to opt out from being added?
apr 16, 2025, 11:09 am • 8 1 • view
Lists are a detriment to BS. They should be removed. People can still recommend people to follow. They can ever recommend who to ban but these list have created abuse. Please consider removing them
apr 23, 2025, 12:53 am • 2 0 • view
Trolls with same old tricks..bombing me with porn. Trying to violate me off of Blue sky, even though I am doing nothing wrong. did that to me on other social media. direct confrontations, mocking, me...
may 4, 2025, 10:09 am • 0 0 • view
💙👍
apr 17, 2025, 1:26 am • 0 0 • view
Define harrasemnt
apr 16, 2025, 10:24 pm • 0 0 • view
How does hiding a harassment list solve the problem of harassment Bluesky? It simply doesn't and I can't even report it because it's hidden because it has been reported so reports are useless anyway! Malicious list makers are getting more every day and many are MAGA or russian trolls in disguise!🤨🦋
aug 29, 2025, 2:45 am • 5 2 • view
bsky.app/profile/bonk...
aug 30, 2025, 5:54 pm • 1 0 • view