I don't think a civil war will happen under Trump. I think it'll happen under Vance. Trump is dying. And as bad as he is, when Vance takes power, the Constitution will be dead. MAGA will be dead too. Vance will become a CEO-monarch of the “dictatorship corporativa”. I know weird. But, wait for it.
Vance won’t last long, it will be a complete power grab when it all goes down and we can’t even begin to imagine who will end up on top
Vance doesn’t have the support like Trump does. There’s hope for the US if it’s indeed true that Trump has passed.
You're going to want to read this...its okay if you don't understand everything now, it's a lot. But, Vance doesn't need MAGA support. In fact, MAGA is going to be in the same boat everyone else is in and the Constitution will be replaced with a corporate gov. www.populismstudies.org/Vocabulary/d...
Who is your lord, serf? Is it Coca-Cola or Geico? I come bearing news as a messenger from GameStop.
I have been telling people this since the election. It's even on Wikipedia. And if you wanna see the original DOGE? Here is where they outlined it, 12 years ago as RAGE. Yes, 12 years ago! youtu.be/ZluMysK2B1E?...
Trump was always going to be a Trojan horse for the smart rich elites to take over, like in Russia. The rich want zero power & wealth left in the hands of workers/voters. Now that the wealthy control most MSM AND official government reporting, it’ll be alternative facts 24/7.
Yeah, Trump was just the way in.
I don’t see how they can pull it off if no one in the country agrees with it
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We need to tell MAGA that Vance and the tech lords poisoned Trump.
Maybe a civil war for sure but at some point people will figure out how to either do a general strike or strike from work like the union Wobblies did. No chance if arrests that way.
Dammit
I'll be ready, bring it. The redhats will be weakened without their loud leader. As soon as the death is announced we hit the streets both to celebrate and to take our country back.
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think you're pretty spot on
lol. He will try but he doesn’t carry that weight. Congress will fight back against Vance. He doesn’t control the base like Trump.
I disagree. Vance may want that but I can't see him engendering that same blind worship TFG enjoys
This is the big fear. Our government openly ran by the largest corporations and foreign investors. We’ll move from peasant class to slave class pretty quickly.
The thing about a civil war under Vance is that there will probably be a lot of right wingers against Vance and his oligarch buddies because the cult is definitely going disintegrate without trump reigning it in.
U gotta remember, all of those behind project 2025 actually want Vance to take over. He will follow them & not go off on stupid shit like the felon. With Vance they will get everything they want. Vance is a nightmare waiting to happen. He’s a drag queen who wants to burn everything down!
Vance is more scary because unlike the felon, he’s not going to fuck around with nonsense. He will instead go full steam ahead & truly fuck things up. Democrats who approach him with kid gloves will get fucked up seriously for being stupid.
U are exactly correct! Only good thing Vance will do is to lock up all of the felon’s family because he will see them as a threat to his power. Felon junior & his taboo sister pose a threat to Vance if they try to take their father’s place.
I think that is most likely the correct outcome. All threats will be eliminated.
All threats to their regime will be eliminated, if possible, but it seems unlikely that they’d arrest Trump’s crooked family. Instead it’ll be “Window cancer”-type incidents &/or deaths they can blame on others.
Old man who Americans fucked after doing a lot of good says…
Hmm. I have always thought that JD would make Junior his VP, but your “Lock them up” concept is solid.
Think Vance is done with the felon & his clan. As president he can lock them up & appoint another believer of project 2025 & beyond. The felon’s family are all about themselves in the end.
There won't be "a VP". That's a constitutional concept. The Thiel/Yarvin/Vance concept replaces the Constitution. There will be many "VPs"; probably replacing secretaries. VP of Research and Development. VP of Labor and Slavery VP of Sales ... and so on.
Here’s the VP of billions talking to the justice department & telling him that he will now make money whichever way he wishes & that justice must take a backseat to doing nothing🤣
VP of making billions aka…
He doesn’t have the charisma, everybody hates him already MAGA will fall apart
Vance, like the orange felon, is just a puppet. The techbros, bazillionaires, and Proj25 gang run things and will continue to do so even after the duke of MaraLardo croaks.
Project 2025 will be dead. That's a Heritage Foundation project designed to take advantage of the US Constitution. Thiel and Yarvin's NRx movement, what's coming, doesn't include the US Constitution (or even MAGA). Democracy dies. Constitution dies. Slavery (real slavery) returns.
Techbros gone wild. How they got to be so racist and misogynistic is baffling.
Well, yes. And the slavery will be real. But it won't be limited to race. It will be class based. Middle class will be enslaved. www.populismstudies.org/Vocabulary/d...
The oligarchs want you focused on the culture war so that you don't notice the class war.
To this I say, 'come and get me, we'll all go out in style'.
Fascinating
"Turns out Trump isn’t intellectually enlightened enough.” This would be funny if Dark Enlightenment wasn't so terrifying.
nope, we will put their head thru a wall.
That is the point. See original post.
Middle class has been enslaved for decades. Ronald Reagan locked it in.
Sorry. Calling bullshit. Slavery. Part 2 will Absolutely Not Happen in the US. Way to many of us of mixed race.
My crazy theory/fever dream is Vance will win Pres in 2028, make Trump VP, and then step down for "blah blah blah family blah blah health blah blah" reasons, and Trump will have his 3rd term.
That scenario is specifically forbidden by the Constitution, so why would they jump through all those extra hoops to steal an equally illegal third term? If Trump lives until January 2029, he'll just refuse to leave the White House.
I'm married to a cardiologist. She has (had) a lot of CHF patients, some of them I have even gotten to know. From the visual clues that we see with Trump's health... if he lives to see the mid-terms, it's only because he has a world class med facility "at home" with a 24/7 doc and he's pushing it.
The bruising on his hands are from an IV, for a drug that is used to drain excessive fluids from the body because his heart isn't working properly. That drug is usually given orally for a few years and becomes less effective. Then they go to the IV. And it's usually not long after that...
Don’t tease me…. 😳🙏🏻
How long is “not long?” Asking for … my country.
So using the weight loss drug and slimming down doesn’t reduce his heart failure risk?
I would guess it's more likely just bruising because he is on an anticoagulant
It is what Peter Theil’s overlord desires most in the Universe.
This is what the tech bros want.
Well, then they're stupid. Because we'll kill them.
Peter Thiel wants JD Vance to be the president.
The funny thing is that they don't know how to play the game after the game will change. They will feel cheated, even though they are the ones who are cheating all the time.
Yup, Curtis Yarvin's little troll, funded by Thiel and his Palantir money. Full cyberpunk dystopia, here we come! You haven't seen anything yet!
He'll make Johnson the new vise and that's who is more evil
No one likes JD. He will never have the allegiance of MAGA.
The thing is, he won’t care. MAGA will be in the same boat as the rest of us. He doesn’t need to be likable to serve as Thiel and Yarvin’s CEO-monarch. EVERYTHING will change—and it won’t resemble anything in American history. Exempt, the slavery part. But even that won't be race based.
Or the Russian mob
It doesn't matter. The powers behind MAGA are what is moving all of this. Yeah, Trump is making a mess, but the billionaire project 2025 actors are not going to leave on their own. They want to OWN America, and we are all just fodder in their world.
Yep, I definitely think Vance will be worse. The insanity will be gone, and the evil will remain.
No hyperbole, this is factual.
So you’re sayin we need to arm and organize and take control of areas
I think think that Thiel/Yarvin/Broligarchs are oozing with hubris and have undercalled how 350M people will respond.
My dream is, in the melee, to get in a locked room with Stephen Miller.
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I'm of the same opinion. This is why our relationship with the USA makes me nervous. It's never who people vote for. It's always what price is paid for the decision. A dismantled Constitution means that even those who voted for Trump will have lost their voice.
Accurate assessment. The VC's and tech bro's will be behind him, but, I wonder if other Republicans really like the guy. I suspect not. Maybe they'll submarine him That's not much of a hope, but it's all I got.
What are the chances of impeachment of the VP and cabinet being complicit in hiding TFGs mental health and among all the other unconstitutional bullshit?
There will be no such thing as impeachment in the government that is coming. Impeachment is a Constitutional principle. And the Constitution will no longer be the supreme law of the United States.
There will be a transition period where Vance and the Broligarchs will be vulnerable.
This is very true…perfect time to exploit.
Johnny R and the Supremes effectively killed the Constitution.
And if Dems sweep the Midterms?
Steven Miller and Russel Vought are pulling strings as well. And that asshole Wiles.
Babe. Its here. We are already at war. Just one side fighting harder and dirty🌬️
I believe vance et al will be much more dangerous
Vance has all the charisma and spine of yesterday's newspaper that got left out in the rain. He lacks Trump's audacity. If he takes charge, the collapse will probably slow, at least a little. Hopefully, that's enough.
And when the wet newspaper was brought in, it stained the couch. I do hope you are right
But less effective as support is evaporating.
Agree
Totally agree. MAGA base is irrelevant now, no longer needed.
So my question: which is scenario is it going to be better in the long run?
Trump is dying. Thus, there's only one scenario here.
Looking forward to it.
If it’s true he’s dying then he’ll have escaped the world without Karma getting their due.
Shit happens.
Lol. I’ll take that shit over the current shit show. But would absolutely love me some karma before he draws his last breath.
We are on the edge of our seats tonught...
Vance will be a Project2025 mouth piece.
Project2025 will be dead as well. It's a Heritage Foundation movement. What's coming is far different. It's the NRx movement.
This is an interesting thread of thought. P25 undermines the C but still works within some legal framework. But NRx completely abandons such pretenses in its Sargon-esque pursuit of raw brutality and power.
I’d argue we’re already in a civil war, but I do think DJT is prob taken out by heart failure or dementia…he’s trying to do too much and the job’s already notorious for taking its toll on sensible presidents. Lord Loveseat isn’t going to inherit the following bc his charisma’s that of a couch and
bc the cult of personality DJT has was cultivated by decades of a persona crafted by a TV show, so there was always going to be a courtyard coup whenever he was gone and a War of the Roses was likely always going to subsequently occur. It’s gonna be weird bc I think it’s gonna look like very bad
corporate advertising (think like Democratic leadership trying out sanitized messaging that inspires no one) and, depending on the state of the Democratic Party (specifically its direction and leadership), the US will likely have something of a power vacuum bc of all this admin’s state destruction.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the fault lines end up breaking along the ultrawealthy trying to buy up and create company towns and challenge states to oppose them and serve as rubber stamps / a facade of legitimacy for a billionaires’ playground. But the fall of the US was
always most likely going to be a whimpering collapse into further and greater dysfunction than some blaze of glory. Geopolitically, North America’s a good place for a country as big as the US if you can control sea to sea, but otherwise the environment quickly proves challenging to control and
you prob end up with something more along a United States of Europe of varying nations of a largely similar identity, but the local and sub-national differences harden into distinct identities in a resource-scarce and competitive environment absent mutual cooperation.
I should note, this fate is far from sealed and if the US has a strong Democratic Party focused on the whole of a nation and rebuilding public goods and services and bring these ultrawealthy and megacorporate entities to heel instead of being run over roughshod by them, then I think you largely
can keep the US as is intact. The Dems were always going to fracture (imo back in 2015) it was just a matter of when, and the 2024 election might’ve been the breaking point. It’ll essentially take a new New Deal to keep the country together but the alternative is prob more clearly worse that
Is there a state solution? Any solution? Can we just quit the feds?
I'm not sure, I don't think we have to continue being a donor state. I do believe that was California and other donor States being kind to the rest of the United States.
What's NRx movement (I'm sure it's super bad whatever it is)
Not nice people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_En...
It’s Dark Enlightenment. Vance is Thiel and Yarvin’s guy.
The name is literally an oxymoron.
They sound more twisted than project 2025
JD is so disliked and so incompetent that the Heritage Foundation will run rampant and those cabinet meetings will have a refreshingly drastic drop in ass kissing.
He’s so disliked he won’t last longer than ten minutes. He will be pushed out so fast he may never be sworn in.
This is all old, out-dated thinking. The Heritage Foundation will cease to exist, along with MAGA. Everything you know about this country will no longer exist. The country becomes a corporation and the Heritage isn't a shareholder. They (Thiel/Yarvin) picked him because he doesn't have to be liked.
All he has to do as the corporate CEO-monarch is execute the Board's vision. Everybody can hate him. Nobody is going to like the person that enslaves them anyway.
Exactly, anyone can do that. He won’t last long. Someone else ‘better’ will come along.
Thiel and Yarvin have already picked Vance. They’ve been grooming him for this for over a decade.
It’s concerning it could be here sooner than later. A holiday weekend for a country club guy and we have no golf plans? I saw a post about him being MIA the last few days. Is that even true? It’s hard to tell these days, I can’t think of any holiday plans being announced and that seemed weird/off.
I am aware, not sure that secures his place at the top at all.
So democracy doesn't work, but enslaving everyone for the benefit of the CEO-Monarch would? I've read some stupid theories before, but this is by far the most stupid, self aggrandizing, and banal theory I've ever read. It's like they are speedrunning to the French Revolution.
It now makes sense why they need the christian nationalism. Monarchy lasted as long as it did thanks in part to the religious aspect of it. They were chosen by God to rule. Without that, it doesn't work as well. They said "God chose" trump and I bet whomever they pick next will also be chosen.
Thiel and Yarvin need to fuck off.
because NOW he has fleas AND Bedbugs.
Or a revolution by the masses. We have all been robbed for generations by these rich bastards that fund the politicians