Sharing this finding: Harris voters are the only group of people remotely likely to say it's OK to cut off friends/family for political views. I don't think they're *wrong* — again, it's a question of identity. But we're very different from most of America. www.theargumentmag.com/p/when-ameri...
I think people must be incapable of reading because the post explicitly says "I don't think they're wrong" for cutting off friends/family for diametrically opposite values. It's a fair decision. just worthwhile to understand that we're very different from a lot of America.
the reason tump voters are 90% NO, is bc theyre on the receiving end of getting dropped LOL
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Yep, one of my best friends went no contact with his father after he went on a racist tirade against Mexicans at a family gathering. His grandchildren are a quarter-Mexican. He won't be seeing them again.
Whelp, my SIL is one of the outliers then.
It's because they are dihonest and incoherent of thought. When they dislike someone they pretend that's somehow not political. Also they are far more likely to abuse where a decent person might just avoid contact.
Trump and Harris split men under 29 nearly half and half, while women under 29 went Harris 61-37%. Guessing it's a pretty lonely existence for young, single MAGA guys out there who are in college or in a town that isn't bright red.
It’s a poorly worded question that doesn’t get at the heart of the issue.
I think it depends on how the question is worded. "Political views" is so vague and imprecise as to be useless. Which political views? Is support for an insurrectionist president, who is also a sexual predator and a convicted felon, and who is actively trying to destroy the rule of law, "political"?
It is far easier to understand if you look at it through the lens of values such as empathy and tolerance.
Yes. Authoritarians love to mock what they consider to be progressive intolerance, which tells me that they have no understanding of this paradox, or that they do, and are simply engaging in the usual bad-faith bullying.
It’s a revelation to me, that I am different from people who believe that kids are using litter boxes in schools.
???? 60 percent of Harris voters are on the exact same page as 90 percent of Trump voters and 80 percent of non voters.... that does not exactly spell "we are very different" from a lot of America
Also the poll does not "explicitly say 'I don't think they're wrong' for cutting off friends/family for diametrically opposite values." It says "Is it ever an acceptable reason for cutting off friends and family" meaning I think it may be an acceptable reason, or it could be.
You could personally find a particular person's reason to be wrong, while still thinking that in certain scenarios there could be an acceptable reason.
Like me if someone is a nazi, I'd say yeah cut them off, that is an acceptable reason, but if they were just a republican who wanted lower taxes, I'd say no.
To me this kind of survey question just divides people into "only thinks of specific scenarios in their personal life" and "has an imagination". It's either poorly designed, or doing exactly what it's designed to do.
Why are you highlighting this? If the Harris voters are right, what exactly are we supposed to take from this? What value is there from thinking about this poll finding?
I don't think we're different, except perhaps in being more honest. I think the people claiming otherwise are obviously lying.
I think it's more that people are capable of thinking, and they're thinking "what is the point of this post as a whole, what is it saying, other than that it's weird/aberrant of Harris voters and should maybe be reconsidered"?
The fact that you're okay with complicity in genocide certainly differentiates you from most Americans, and most people with a soul in fact.
Are they different, or do conservatives just not admit the things they cut off family for, like being gay or trans, are political?
Exactly this.
I agree with you.
The only way you could believe this is to never have lived in a red state, never had LGBT friends, never listened to Trump or Rush Limbaugh, never attended an evangelical church or really thought about this in a real way at all.
The difference is situational, not dispositional
We are not advocating Trump voters be denied civil rights
Maybe you should
No, I will not get into the sewer with MAGA voters
No, we believe that everyone has the rights guaranteed by the Constitution, but we shouldn’t be expected to “make nice” with people who have enabled the felon’s rise to dictatorship.
I feel like people in this app are a bit disbelieving about the outcome from polls. Like, does a MAGA father kick out his son because he's gay counts as 'opposing political views'? Or the Trump voters don't count such actions as 'cutting off due to opposing views'?
Yes, but you're still drawing the wrong conclusion -- the difference is not that we're more willing to cut them off for those reasons, it's that we're more *honest* about cutting them off for those reasons. They live a lie -- to themselves and to everyone else. About *everything*.
More to the point, what is the *salience* of that poll question -- to whom does it matter, and *why* does it matter to them? People want to draw their own conclusions and assumptions for those things, but for me it's simple -- I don't need toxic people and their vicious beliefs in my life. At all.
i dont know if thats necessarily true either based on this very limited polling. people who think if their child comes out as trans they must have been "groomed" or theyre mentally ill bc thats not real, do they even recognize that as "political beliefs"
the idea that you can trust someone defined as "a Trump voter" to understand political or social beliefs enough to accurately self-report is quite misguided
I wonder why "weird" on Twitter changed to "different" here. Do you regret saying "weird", or do you try to hide the fact that you implied that Democrats are actually the crazy ones?
I personally think that the Trumpian family members need the opposite to retain their value. Hence the return cutoff. I have a lot more on this topic, but they couldn’t survive in their own echo chamber. They’d eat themselves
The problem is that doesn't mean anything at all in and of itself? "The rest of the country isn't willing to do this" Okay? And?
for a hypothetical too. Not even have you cut all contact with one or more family members due to politics? Reduced contact? etc.
It's more like "the rest of the country isn't willing to call their decisions 'political' like those 'political' liberals always do"
It's worthwhile to understand that the fact that we're Harris voters isn't the operative factor in this dynamic. Do you think it's voting for liberals that makes someone inclined to not speak to their family, or do you think it might be something about that family? Don't forget to grant MAGA agency.
Exactly
We cut contact with MAGA inlaws because we didn't think they were safe for our kids between the unsecured guns, anti-LGBTQ ideology, and co-signing political violence. That's beside how routinely unpleasant it was to spend time with them.
This is a poll illustrating how MAGA plays the DARVO game, ain't it? Looking at the poll I feel like we're at the beginning of "Reverse Victim and Offender." Good call demanding agency... stops the grievance train in its tracks.✌🏻
Exactly
THIS.
Walked away from a 30+ yr friendship in 2016 after spending months being called a “dumb lib” in “jest” in the lead up to the election, then during the Women’s March got sent this. Told ‘em to fuck off & never talk to me again. Thus is a MAGA sociopathy problem & not a problem with a liberal mindset
...xenophobia?
Yeah. That was the cherry on top. I was like “why don’t you look up those big word meanings before you use them in a sentence, bud.”
We begin with the premise that voting for Trump and voting for Harris are essentially equivalent choices, like preferring coffee or tea. That's a real barrier to understanding what's going on here.
"framings designed to make people on the left look crazy and let people on the right assume their own reasonability via obliviousness for the consequences of their cruelty." "Trump supporters always lie to make themselves look better. The reason Trump overperforms the polls Bias, media, "data":
I think a lot of it is religious. One of the roots of MAGA is evangelical. While they might kick a trans child out of their home, they would likely want a cis ally around in order to be an ongoing target of conversion efforts
It's the equivalent of using Mike & Debi Pearl's "How to Train Up a Child" to show liberals are less likely than Christians to discipline their children
Its more like Harris people prefer to drink coffee versus MAGA people prefer to serve cold piss to their guests.
And framing it is as if the coffee drinkers are some tiny cult like the amish
Exactly. If the opposing view is "I don't think some groups deserve human rights" then yeah, that's a more valid reason to cut someone off than if the opposing view is "I think everyone should be able to access healthcare."
Exactly!
👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆 This.
I look at the fact that one of the largest sources of trafficked children are "deviant" kids kicked out or otherwise abandoned by their conservative parents and have a hard time blaming anyone else.
It's the factor that was measured. Whatever the underlying cause is, this graph and this data separates on the basis on which presidential candidate the respondent voted for. You can argue what the reason for these findings are, but at best that's extrapolation, not directly supported in the data
wow that's crazy
Our rights and our identities are not - or more correctly, SHOULD NOT - be matters of politics. It's the invalid definition of those topics as political issues that are up for discussion or compromise that is problematic. Preaching to the choir, but it'sway more important than the actual results.
Everything is always a matter of politics. It's not fair or right, but rights & identities are only ever secure to the extent they're defended. Even if that just means shouting down any shithead who sees fit to cause trouble.
Politics is just how you treat people you don't personally know.
This precisely is why I've vowed I'm no longer keeping Republican friends, because that pair of words is an oxymoron. You *cannot* be an anti-racist (a requirement for my friendship) if you're a Republican, no matter how reformist or anti-Trump. Republicans feel entitled to meddle in others' lives
You tried to hide the "but" in that statement by using it at the start of the next sentence like we wouldn't notice.
Harris voters made up 48.3% of the electorate, vs Trump's 49.8%. If you pick a random American off the street, there is a 1 in 2 chance - that is to say a fifty-fifty chance - that they're a Harris voter. That's not "very different from a lot of America".
Incorrect, it is closer to a 1 in 4 chance, since you may pick a nonvoter, either by choice or due to ineligibility.
Fair correction. So, if you pick a random American voter off the street, it's a 1 in 2 chance. Still not a fringe position by any stretch.
Right. I just take a cold comfort in the fact that only around 15-20% of the people living here are die-hard Trump supporters.
curious your thoughts, but this seems difficult to poll because I’d think a lot of people arent really honest about that, or they already interact within a bubble with people they agree with
*Very different is repeated twice I cut off an entire part of the family bc Republicans We R an idiosyncratic bunch. You cannot make it black and white when you are discussing emotion about feelings about ideas. Ethical behaviour is paramount in relationships Unlike fascists, this group has ethics.
A family member calling me a faggot and cutting me off doesn’t get viewed as political, but me saying “you’re unsafe, please don’t speak to me” is. Like, you’re smart enough to see the discrepancy, right?
the way you qualify it explicitly says you have a disagreement because some "data" that tells a different story from the point you're trying to make gives you an opening to scold people! it's not difficult to see the centrist sleight of hand
"for diametrically opposite values" IS a wrong reason! We're not "different" in this way. Is it possible that the question in the survey happens to correlate with something else that the respondents are associating with those opposing values? Some kind of anti-social behavior?
Yeah... we're "different" as in we're the queer people, immigrants, people of color, and disabled folks whom those voters literally want dead. This isn't about values, it's about survival.
I’m none of those things, but I think there’s a basic minimum level of treatment all humans deserve. Trump voters apparently think otherwise.
Like fr I'd have to be beyond stupid to decide my one life on Earth should be spent with white men who *knoe* how horribly racist the GOP is, yet insist they can be my friend and vote for the hyper-racism party at once. If they were on fire and I'd a bottle of water I'd drink and walk on by.
So another option besides us being incapable of reading 🙄 is that using the word “politics” doesn’t connect the way people vote to their personal values. People want to silo voting from other kinds of values decisions, we’re not letting them get away with not connecting voting and values.
I think the breakdown is why it's worthwhile to understand that this is distinct from other Americans? I don't feel like it's very worthwhile to understand that.
or, bear with me, your polling is garbage
Why "a lot of America"? The number of Harris voters is basically equivalent to the number of Trump voters. It's not like they're a huge majority and we're an embattled minority.
Well, 75% of Americans think it's not okay to cut family off, including 60% of Harris voters. This is where I disagree. I think it's understandable to do that, like I said in the piece. But it's not true that the chunk willing to do this is a majority. They *are* a clear minority.
dude you're so confident about your 75% despite the overt and comical flaws in how you got that figure. This is a laughable attempt at doing an ethical, quantifiable, statistically significant research study and i hope you understand that your results are massively biased and flawed.
not only does he not understand it, he will fight like crazy to prove how him not understanding it is actually our fault
75% answered x ≠ 75% believe x ≠ 75% act consonant to a belief that x
Like, you guys really need some social scientists or humanists on your team. Data analysis—or machine learning—isn’t sufficient if no one has the training to see what underlies the apparent data. Expertise is a real thing and it’s not the same thing as enthusiasm or interest.
Quantify that “very”, Lakshya.
It seems like you're conflating two conflicts here, though--one between Trump supporters and Harris supporters, and a second one between people who are willing to cut off family, and people who aren't. I don't think that conflation is very useful.
Insane! If your relative is a fascist, supporting an insurrectionist, you are a moral coward not to cut them off. (We can all be moral cowards, but we should feel ashamed)
Yes, we have values
Why is it worthwhile exactly? Also, why are you including yourself in that category? You’re a bit notorious for being an “enlightened centrists” all too eager to throw undesirable minorities to the wolves to make friends with fascists.
And like a typical academic fuckwit, when caught saying something offensive and stupid, you start blaming other people’s intelligence. You’re an asshole, whether you know it or not. Fucking prick.
How many Trump families do you know intimately? Do you know the ways our own people threaten us? I think a lot of you academic types, most of whom know Trump supporters only from magazine articles about “heartland voters in middle American diners, should STFU.
i'm glad you "don't think they're wrong". but unless you say "i think they're right to do that", you're far too wishy-washy for me to be friends with.
The weird thing is thinking the poll result is true * * it may be true that people *claimed* those beliefs
it's the kind of poll only a right-winger would love.
do you think most conservatives would describe their religious beliefs as an exercise of politics
not at all, because angry sky daddies are real whereas there is room to discuss whether or not all dark-skinned folk should be killed or simply dumped in mid-ocean.
well or maybe these people are just, yknow, lying
Why are you even sharing this? What’s the point?
Can you quantify “a lot”? It could be the other way ‘round: MAGA is markedly different from most of America. Just because they’re loud, don’t assume they outnumber the rest of us. I don’t believe they do.
They don't.
No everyone can read fine dude. You're the problem.
I think you're interpreting bad polling that feeds into the right wing victim complex which ignores a larger picture and I think that sucks 👍
100%
Okay but you really need another layer of reflection on whether it's the people who are abnormal, or the extreme political views they aren't tolerating.
I think that second part of the statement is wrong too. I think it depends on how "politics" is interpreted - being cut off or alientated for religion or sexual orientation is very common. Those aren't "political" in a very narrow sense, but in reality they are at the heart of our politics.
I just have too much personal experience with mixed political families in my life to agree with your interpretation of this dyanmic.
I think also they don't perceive what you said as cutting someone off. If they say "no son of mine is gay," and you walk away, you've cut them off, not vice versa, by their metrics. Even if they make it impossible to stay, your reaction is technically a choice, whereas theirs is neutral (to them).
Is there similar polling during the Biden era? Very easy to say "I would never cut someone off for their political beliefs!" when you control every single level of political power. I'm curious to what degree it's a significant difference vs. just the state of political play right now.
I think accusing people of illiteracy may not be conducive to the kind of discourse you wish to cultivate.
I can read and I think you’re framing is stupid and this survey is not valuable because I would answer yes it’s okay to cut someone off while I also have Trumpy friends
I interpret this as Trump voters don't think they are supporting an extremist authoritarian takeover to turn the US into a corrupt police state while Harris voters do and believe that's reason to feel betrayed by Trump voting relatives and former friends.
But they are not actually different from a lot of America, they just are willing to say "Yes" to that question instead of saying "No" but functionally doing it anyway.
I don't think we're all that different. If I backed killing them, they'd cut me off too and no one would think they were wrong for doing so.
My thought is that conservatives can *say* they don't all they want, but actions speak louder than words.
Also, theyre the ones with the an ideology that is cruel. They dont like left wing ideology because they don't want their money going to help people they dont like. These are not equal things! They quite literally do not want to support a community & society that they feel entitled to benefit from.
Are you familiar with the phrase “correlation does not imply causation” because Harris voting is not the reason
Political views are about appropriate rates of taxation, how to allocate government resources, or zoning laws. Whether or not brown or LGBTQ+ people are fully human is not about politics but morals.
The Q doesn’t ask about friends/family. It says “family member.” The highest bar.
This really feels like it doesn't say much. If you asked me this question, I'd say yes, but I haven't actually cut off any family and I doubt 90%+ of Harris voters would either. This is like poll virtue signaling.
For Trump voters, the opposite virtue signal exists - they've built an entire narrative that "canceling" anyone for their politics, however abhorrent, is wrong.
What I think is much more telling about "closed mindedness" is how you get ~40+ point swings on any issue depending on Trump's stance whereas for Democrats the swings are usually way more modest, usually 10-20 points max on any given issue.
Even objective measures of well-being or economic status will swing 40+ points for Republicans if Trump is in office or he changes his position. That dynamic is completely non-existent in terms of magnitude with liberal voters.
This is such a good example of how terrible issue polling is. If someone cuts off a trans family member for being trans, they won’t say they’re cutting them off because of politics. If a trans person cuts off an anti-trans family member, they might.
Obviously the latter is good and the former is bad, but the goal of the poll is to make the former look good and the latter look bad. This is how issue polling is used to create the superficial image of level headed analysis when it’s actually advancing reactionary political agenda.
difference between asking "is faith important" and "how often do you go to church"—the former is filtering for shibboleths, the latter for (self-reported) behavior
I am more concerned with the generic ballot being D+1 despite everything. Yeesh, this country is cooked
"Would still hang out with somebody who enjoys seeing you suffer?"
Which political views? Transphobia? Xenophobia? Being anti-science? Anti-medicine? Being pro-genocide? Wanting to lock up homeless people? The Left is willing to cut people out of their lives for "political views" because the Right has based their political identity around being evil little shits.
Left and Right aren't the only options here. I've cut people off for being centrists because I don't have time for people who think they're better than everyone else because they don't like commitment.
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1,562 respondents.
Imagine doing a poll and not explicitly stating the sample size of your data in the presentation thereof. Imagine doing a poll and failing to account for the effects of your audience and the wording, oft loaded, of each question. imagine failing to capture and account for the assumptions you made.
The x factor here is how we define "political views." Does "political views" mean "I want higher tariffs"? Or does "political views" mean "Racism is always unacceptable"? You don't cut off relatives for views on tariffs. You DO cut off relatives who aren't bothered by racism and xenophobia.
What this says to me is that a lot of Trump voters understand on some level they did something bad and don’t want their family cutting them off because of it
I’ll do you one further I think it speaks to how many of them have been cut off by a family member
I wonder what percent have cut off family for being queer or not following their religion? From my personal experience, it's probably a lot more than 11%
Suggestion for future survey: ask if it's OK to deport a family member.
So, what we're saying is that people who don't want to be cut off for their toxic political views and people who don't give a fuck about politics agree that having shitty politics isn't a reason to cut someone out of your life? That's actually... not surprising.
sorry, what? "everyone" polled at 25%. one group polled at 40% (15 points from the mean) and one at 11% (14 points from the mean) but only the former is a standout?
The average conservative kicking out their queer child for being queer: I don't get it why do these libs cut people off so easily don't they know how much it hurts?
Cutting someone off for being gay doesn’t count as cutting them off for „political views”, cutting them off for being homophobic does, no wonder this skews the poll
Oh the poll is absolutely cooked from the get go, conservatives would never be honest about their own beliefs when push comes to shove.
Mm pepole who opoes ones exisitance is not the same as politial opinions
Everything is political
but one's *existence* being political is more than just a political *view*
Ones right to exists is not something that one can compromise.
An interesting question for another poll would be to ask people *what* issues might warrant cutting off a family member, including identifying as gay or trans, dating someone of a different race/religion, as well as "political views."
I think the main thing we can deduce from this is that Harris voters were more honest than others in this particular poll
Assuming harris voters arent most of america
I call b.s. on the trump supporters though. I was ostracized by my evangelical family and community for my beliefs way back in the 80's I know they STILL throw their children away for their beliefs. They will say they are open to communicate about differences. Then hit you for being different
My guess: they’d call that ‘religious views’ not ‘political views’
That is a huge part of it. They say everything is religious, it makes it really difficult to ask questions or address problems.
Those are the same thing for conservatives
Yup. 🫠
Nobody is left to disagree with because they've already expelled difference from their Fox News bubble world
Yup. 🫠😮💨🫠
How odd that the people being cut off for hateful views suddenly think that it's bad to cut people off... 🤔
"Cut off contact" and "opposing political views" are pretty subjective. Hard to say you're measuring anything more than a difference in Harris and Trump voters interpret these words. You'd need more specific scenarios to really test if either set of voters is more/less tolerant of actions or views.
It's because the Trump voters have been cut off for being bad people and they don't think anyone has the right to be angry at them no matter what they do. So they answer that it's not OK to cut *them* off for their politics. Harris voters are more likely to believe in consent
Do you have any idea how many MAGA parents, uncles and grandparents have alienated their families? Theses stories are all all over the place. People post about it every day. Technically, the final decision to “cut off” the family member(s) may rest with the victims—after they were left no choice.
“Did I fall or was I pushed,” as Thom Yorke once sang.
Shocking the people getting cut off for being fascists don't think they should be cut off
Conservatives say that the reason they voted for Trump twice is that he pisses off the liberals. Their criteria for choosing the leader of the free world was “who will piss off my liberal friends and family members the most.” So they are getting what they wanted: really pissed ofc liberals.
They should be happy. Not everyone achieves their goals in life. They have.
I mean 60%, the vast majority, said no, so I don't really get your point, and then the fact that most trump voters are conservative which can be reduced to "I'm not aware of how the world work" so those are probably molesting their families so they wont let them escape.
There's a lot of hypocrisy in MAGA: criticising Biden for being too old but ignoring Trump's age; complaining about how Clinton handled her emails but ignoring similar behaviour in the GOP. So it's certainly possible many Trump voters would give this answer and then behave quite differently.
wow, you found a pile of dog shit out on your lawn for us thank you
YES. It is not politics, it is about morality and ethics. Basic human decency.
This part bothered me. Many of us didn’t center our identity to politics but rather our politics are a byproduct of our identity. As a S. Asian woman, it’s Dems or white nationalism. Higher engagement may correlate to survival, especially if trans. It’s not identity politics. It’s Dems vs. Nazis.
Every day is a fight to keep my son Nidal alive.He desperately needs milk and medicine, but the blockade leaves us with nothing. We are begging for your support to get him the care he needs. 💔
What a dopey question
The premise that you can accurately capture people's views on something as complex as when and why it's appropriate to end *any* friend/family with a single question like this is absurd.
This question probably only has the power to reflect broader values as to whether an individual is permitted to exercise their own discretion to end any friend/family relationship or whether we are "stuck" with certain relationships no matter how awful someone is.
Wow. That’s a lot of people who don’t have a very low floor for the behavior of their family. What do they think it IS ok to cut people out for? Or rather, what will they admit to, revealed preference aside?
Trump voters openly advocate the mass murder of their political enemies so I don't know what the fuck point you think you're making
I feel like "H/T voters" aren't entirely valid labels in this context, yes that's what it is, but that's not entirely describing the groups.
Cutting off MAGA relatives isn’t because of conflicting political views, it’s because of conflicting morals and values.
Americans, you have a large population of people who cut off their whole homeland country/government and flee to USA because of contradicting political values.
The problem with this poll is, this ISN’T ABOUT POLITICAL VIEWS! THIS IS ABOUT DEMOCRACY VS FASCISM! Trump has REPEATEDLY made it clear that he wants to be a dictator! He had no intention of abiding to the US Constitution! And that’s been confirmed DAILY in the past 8 months!
There’s NO longer the rule of law in this country; it’s what a mercurial dictator pontificates! This regime IS an AFFRONT TO THE US CONSTITUTION, which this country was founded on. Just like the American civil war had split family relations & friendships, so will the decimation of this country!
In isolation this is not a very meaningful question. The result can be interpreted in many ways. For instance, how often do Trump voters interact with (or have) family members who have substantially different political views? If you don't have many interactions it's easy to say you don't care much.
18% of people who didn't vote in 2024 think it's appropriate to cut off contact over different political views... But they couldn't be arsed to express their political views at the ballot box in 2024?
A friend of mine was disowned by their parents for attending a counter-protest against the alt-right shortly after Charlottesville. I bet they didn't think their decision was political.
Bull fucking shit. The rates at which queer youth are made homeless by conservative families would beg to fucking differ. If conservatives say they don't think this is okay, it is because they are lying.
This ratio is OK, but not amazing.
I’m not going to hang out with Nazis. 🤷🏻♀️
Trump is a racist, rapist, felon, and vile insurrectionist. Cutting off family over basic right and wrong isn't the same as doing it over politics.
Yeah this isn't really about how people view familial obligations. This is about who actually understands what "political views" means.
I promise if liberals voted in someone who was deploying troops to rural Missouri to round up white conservatives, and they loved to laugh about it, these numbers would be very different. The thing is that liberals wouldn't do that, so you can't really pull "but what if" on this one.
Conservatives: you can't just shun your family because they have different political views Also conservatives: we will commit the most domestic terrorism of any group and we will refuse to apologize and in fact we'll usually say they had a point
I'm sorry that being a bad person has acquired a political correlation, but it kind of makes these kinds of studies not really mean what they appear on the surface, and if you're going to ignore that obvious fact then I'm not sure what use your analysis is, however statistically grounded
Yeah they wouldn't cut us off because then who would they be an asshole to during family dinner?
I bet third party voters are even more likely to say it.
It's obvious and plain that tyrants love having dependents around to bully, and not the other way around
I think if your political ideology includes verbal attacks, rumor-mongering, inaccurate and unresearched complaints to higher authority, and a hidden profit agenda, it's OK for people who don't accept those tactics to "cut off" your imprecations. I personally have observed this in our small town.
isn't the Harris group pretty much the same distance from the mean (+15%) as the Trump group is (-14%)? so then we could say Trump voters are very different too also it's not surprising to me the group that won would take the "politics shouldn't matter this much" stance, contrast that with 2020...
hey man, this is really silly
It's ok to cut off anyone or everyone who is a racist fascist. Republikkkans and Zionists quality.
*qualify
I just went to a wedding where none of the maga people on one side of the family would talk to one of the cousins bc she is a single parent, so not sure your "we're very different from most of America" take is so accurate.
We're like this because the views opposing ours are "Liberals are evil people who hate America, want to destroy it, love crime and violence, and want to force everyone to live in commnunist sharia fifteen-minute cities while subsisting on bugs and watching their children transitioned at gunpoint."
You forgot the part where all liberals are "baby murderers".
“Baby eaters” you mean.
people should be forced at gunpoint to kiss and hug the MAGA relatives who want them dead!!
If you’ve got real skin in the game, it makes sense.
Who gives a shit
I wonder how the respondents understood the question - knowing WHICH political views would cause such a cutoff is a lot more useful than something this general.
Many who think they wouldn't cut off a family member for "political views" see that as different from cutting off a family member for "lifestyle choices", which it isn't
Many of the trump voters are lying
I always find myself asking what the point is of pulling a constituency that rewards dishonesty the way that one does, but the agencies work for someone!
Have cut 2 since Election Day…
"again, it's a question of identity" For me, it's a question of character. I never cut off any fundamentalist free-marketeers even tho I think they're slobbering dopes.
Of course bullies don't want to cut off their victims! Why would they--they love to bully.
‘Political views’ like ‘I don’t think you should be allowed the right to love who you want’ and ‘I’d rather see young people suicidal than living authentically’.
If it were me I would not have framed this as " Harris voters are the only group of people remotely likely to say"..... if I only polled 3 groups. Maybe poll some Canadians political party voters too or something.
I think you’re right, there is a difference: a lot of Harris voters were voting to preserve their survival and basic dignity, while Trump voters wanted more cultural prestige. The stakes were different and so the responses to the opposition are very different
I think Republicans are responding in the opposite way to how they think Dems are answering the question. Expressive responding and Cleek's Law Also note the number for Harris voters is only 15 points off the number for all voters
Evidence for: www.psypost.org/trump-suppor...
You say,NO,to abusers,rapists,racists,anyone who doesn't follow the constitution,anyone using Jesus/God,as a weapon, and anyone who supports them.
Harris voters: People paying attention and not accepting the hateful divisiveness. Voted for her even if she wasn't who they'd have picked for the candidate. Trump voters Hateful, divisive, burning everything good about this country to the ground. Non-voters: Not paying attention. 🧵
Cutting people off NOW is about right and wrong, not "politics". I don't have to hear their bigotry, hatred and all the rest no matter who they are.
it's not too late to delete this ijs
In research, this is called spurious findings. There are many variables associated with disengagement with family members besides presidential preferences. It is easy - and lazy - to select one variable as the only meaningful relationship.
Funny how when the opposing view is "I literally want to open concentration camps and bring Nazism back" people don't want to associate with that opposing view. Huh.
as a separate note, it's very strange to take a poll where all respondents yes = 25%, Harris voters yes = 40%, Trump voters yes = 11%, and discuss it as a way that "we [i.e., Harris voters]" are "very different from most of America."
it's a measurable difference, sure, but at the end of the day the median respondent across the overall population as well as all three subpopulations gave the same response; meanwhile the minority/plurality response was, you know, between 4 in 10 and 1 in 10 across subpopulations.
updates here:
I think this line of inquiry is too sensitive to framing for an individual poll result to be particularly revealing.
really I think this poll question asks about shibboleths about politics rather than views, values, or behavior
anyway, read theory (Issendai's "Down the Rabbit Hole: The world of estranged parents' forums"): www.issendai.com/psychology/e...
wow, that was quite a read. and either their behavior is waaaay more common than i realized, or i know a family the blog analyzes! 😳 also, my dad was estranged from his family by the time i was born, but it was about a lot more than who voted for whom (if that’s how we’re defining “politics”).
depends how specified, but I do think some of these patterns are surprisingly common
Yes, exactly. Ask the same question during the Biden admin and it probably would’ve been answered differently, like polling about the state of the economy.
"I'm not cutting you off, I'm just gonna repeatedly drop N bombs and call you a pussy when object. Then I'm going to pretend to be hurt when you won't come back for more abuse." This is some DARVO shit right here is what this is.
Very astute. Because each party just has different political views! Equal but different! The left wants health care for all and the right wants to kidnap whoever, send them to be murdered abroad and then end democracy. As you so well put, the real question- why are Kamala voters so goddarn mean!! 😡
“Why are Kamala voters so prone to cut people off for having views that are objectively horrific sociopathic views that should absolutely make you cut people off for having?”
Upholding the patriarchy requires people to respect people they don’t agree with.
Define "opposing political views"...
Counterpoint: 200,000 feds have been fired for being too "woke", people have been arrested and deported for political protest, and entire demographics have been purged from the history told in our national history museums. Republicans have no problem punishing people for their political views.
I cut off the guy who was probably the closest friend I ever had. I never had a brother but imagine we were pretty close to that. He got back into being a catholic and changed way too much. The end was his biggest fear is one of his sons being gay. Not the same guy I knew
Or, the relatives are very different from most of America people present and past. We didn’t used to have to deal with open fascism, but it’s here spread by a captured media
Only group of the 3 counted
I think the large majority of these respondents are self-delusional honknobbins.
My parents would say no if asked this question. And yet.
It’s easy for Trump voters to answer NO, as it’s their leader Trump in power, if Harris was in power, the answers would be different.
I cut them off when I voted for Hillary, and then for Biden, and a few more when I voted for Harris. We don't have the same values. Might not even pray to the same god.
A lot of Trump voters will happily cut off/alienate family members for a variety of reasons but they consider them moral or religious reasons, not "political". Also they know that saying yes would be a bad look on them so are more likely to lie in a survey.
The question is so vague its hard to really know what the respondents were thinking when they answered I wouldn't cut someone off for believing in trickle down economics or something I have, however, cut people off for being massive racists or thinking I'm a man
entirely in line with conservative ideology, we should probably have a debate over whether it's OK to leave your marriage, I look forward to the coverage
Twice divorced Trump will be a fascinating representative of the "leaving your marriage is never OK" group.
I didn't cut them off due to political views. I cut them off due to their lack of morality, their cruelty, and the way they revel in it. I do not want people like this in my life, even if they are family.
I think if you poll specific political views vs the general concept, you’ll get a different result
how are you defining the word remotely here? is 11% remotely?
It's useful to note the LGTBQ+ voters went about 86% for Harris and they were about 8% of the US population. Here "political opinion" is "it is okay for you to exist."
*is = might be
Gee can’t imagine why you’d wanna cut off people who voted for a lying racist sexual assaulter who wants to be a king.
This is evident in these newly popular live dating shows across America. Women often ask the men who they voted for, the men sheepishly (almost never proudly) say Trump. The women says thanks but not thanks, men feel the women shouldn’t DQ them for their vote.
All this means is Harris voters treat governance with the gravity it deserves, Trump voters treat governance like it’s a reality show.
If you don’t think politics is that serious, it probably is a bit puzzling to have family member cut you off for voting a certain way.
Harris voters have standards. Trump voters don’t. This data flirts with tautology
cutting people off for being Nazis is a bare minimum, get real
Abusers don't often think that their victims should be able to cut off all contact with them.
Swap out “politics” in the question for “they think gay people are evil”
The exact "political views" matters a lot here
All the people in here scoffing at this poll come from fairly well adjusted families, I see
You know why Trump voters don't think it's okay? Because they don't want to be cut off from friends and family for being fucking assholes, and they're the ones most likely to be
Among other things we are gayer.
Knew I'd see this pop up here.
I think it's a matter of honesty...Trump voters, in my experience, have cut off friends and family at a much higher than 20% rate...they're just not willing to say so on a survey because they are embarrassed about their extremism. Harris voters aren't embarrassed about rejecting white nationalism.
I don't think Trump voters cut people off that much. They want to hang around and spew until normal people can't take it anymore. So if the data shows that I am more likely to sever ties with a Trump voter than they are with me, I'm ok with that. I believe it. I have standards.
As someone who lost family members with trump brain, I call bul💩. They said they didn’t want lose me over this, but at the same time called me a demonrat baby killer. They didn’t want to lose contact, they wanted me to change into something like them.
I cut my MAGA parents out of my life on 1/6, not because they played an active role, but because their support/votes for Trump helped make it possible. I would urge anyone else with MAGA family to do likewise. It's not easy, but it's right. bsky.app/profile/insa...
How many were surveyed and how many are in each of these bars? This graph violates all the basic rules of polling graphs. What's the margin of error?
Never mind I now looked at who is on staff and see that this poll has been done correctly to gin up the clicks so you have actually done it correctly for that.
You're reading way too much into this. "Political views" is vague & susceptible to varying interpretations. Especially for non-voters, who may assume things like tax cuts. You'd get vastly different answers if you ask about whether a cutoff is ok for the specific, extreme political views meant here.
This poll likely suggests Harris voters are more likely to have specific issues in mind like, "wants to eliminate the existence of Trans people in society" or "is a racist who supports white nationalism," & non-voters are more likely to think the question means more benign political disagreements.
This 'finding' seems of little value. Nonvoters are both disengaged by definition, and (I suspect) more likely to know more nonvoters. Trump voters and Harris voters are antithetical rather than being independent cohorts. You'd probably get an opposite result if Harris had won in 2024.
Exactly. "Who won the ballgame" has a big effect on the result of a poll worded like this.
The left will say you are in a cult while they excommunicate you 🤷♂️
I think this says that Rs are less willing to admit to their own behaviour. It's very likely a response bias rather than a behavioural one.
Cutting off MAGA friends/family in 2025 = cutting off Nazi friends/family in 1933. Lunaticious bigots don’t belong in anyone’s lives. I’m a lizard person, vermin, the enemy within, communist scum. The fuck we trying to hang out for?
For me as a rape victim anyone who voted for the known rapist is out of my life. Which includes all of my family and a lot of friends. It's a moral difference I will not bend on.
60% of Harris voters like "yeah he's a Nazi, but he lets me borrow his lawn mower so how could I break off our friendship?"
All survey designers have a hypothesis to prove (aka an agenda). This one appears designed to support a position that Trump voters are open, magnanimous, and tolerant. This conclusion is objectively false based upon their continued support for Trump despite his actions.
Case in point
That must explain why my entire extended family cut me dead for voting for Hillary in ‘16. So tolerant. So open minded. Until they needed to ask for money.
I’d also guess lots of those Trump voters are simply lying. How many “christians” have cut off LGBTQ family members? Or other family members that go against their churches rules & regulations?
The Trump 2024 are the ones who are mad cause they can't see their grandkids anymore. The Harris voters are the parents.
This is the 'I actually HAVE friends/ I only have family' divide.
Perhaps it makes a difference if the "political view" at issue is "the person that you are is an abomination to me." We're not talking about the family arguing over Thanksgiving dinner whether the capital gains tax rate should be indexed to inflation.
Its also evidence that being a nazi is a deal breaker for Harris voters
"Do you think it's ok to cut off ties to family who think you are not fully human?" "Do you think it's ok to cut off ties to family who think you don't deserve to have the same rights as them?" "Do you think it's ok to cut off ties to family who think kids should die of preventable diseases?"
If say 40% of the country was not pro-fascist that percentage for Harris voters would be much lower. Moral of the story: Don't be a fascist and you won't be in any danger of getting cut off. 🤷♂️
Are individuals who were raped or beaten "wrong" to cut off those who raped or beat them? Of course they're not wrong to do so. And it's not a question of "identity". It's a question of self-preservation and wishing to not be infected by diseased, violent, awful, terrible, hateful people.
All true. This hate has been disguised as politics for far too long, and those who get cut off will likely never understand that.
Votes are a reflection of values. Politics is a reflection of values. Americans have been siloing how they vote against their neighbors from their supposed values. They are honest that they hate us and vote to crush our existence, we are honest that they don’t deserve our time.
I would think that it's contingent to some degree on the outcome of the 2024 election. If Harris had won, and was now doubling down on all the liberal policies Trumpers hate, the numbers here would be very different.
50 f'ing years of Republicans saying "Actions have consequences" turned out to be (yet more) lies. At least in terms of the horror of being ghosted for Thanksgiving because Uncle Rudy is a MAGA nut.
This is such a bullshit talking point. NOBODY is cutting people off for their views on tax cuts and spending!! The things they are cutting off people for is being shitty fucking people. MAGA losers are cut off because they are hateful, they support bigotry and racism, they are BAD people.
Political views are far more pervasive than even a decade ago, the GOP has politicized everything, and their "political" views are more similar to a death cult than a political party. Harris voters get that, most people, especially those in the GOP, deny this reality.
Yeahhhhhhhhhhh however much "being gay" isn't seen as "politics" for the those on the right, if the poll question has actually been useful, it would have included breakouts for the "politics" that would cause division. Most on the right i speak to would agree with this until you said "I'm trans"
This is a wild disconnect between voters and politicians. A theme of Harris's campaign was to include the right.
The reason is that Trump voters know that their position is unpalatable for any sensible person and they don't want to be punished for it. Right wingers aren't satisfied with having won; they demand that they must also be liked and respected.
This tracks. Most MAGA I know love conflict, are very hubristic about their “rightness.” Anecdotally, as the Dems I encounter live in red states which is very confounding, we tend to go underground or avoid these tense conversations altogether.
Pffffft-the centrists at tHe ArGuMeNt can't seem to help themselves.
When I vote for social programs and an egalitarian society, I don't exclude people I disagree with politically from enjoying those programs and civil rights. That is the real difference between me and maga.
Either my brother in law is in the extreme minority of Trump voters or honesty is a third axis in this poll.
I still talk to mine despite the fact they’ve done nothing to deserve it
@radiofreetom.bsky.social explained it better than anyone; this is from a thread he posted after the 2024 election. For us, it has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with character. ⬇️
I’m now applying this to people who not only voted for Trump, but those who didn’t vote for Kamala because they had purity rules. I’m tired of them too.
They are the same bunch who couldn't vote for Hillary and reliably assured all of us that Roe vs. Wade would never be overturned. And look what those purity rules brought us.
Makes me crazy.
Harris voter here. Harris tried to be a centrist and lost. Y’all ever think after trying to force the “pragmatic” vote that maybe it’s a losing strategy? If we won I’d take it, but I’d rather lose demanding better than lose settling for breadcrumbs. The pragmatic voting argument lost to Trump twice.
I think you have two choices and you vote for the best of the two choices you have. If you didn’t vote for Kamala, you were wrong. I’m not a political strategist. I’m just a voter who had two choices just like everyone else. One would’ve been infinitely better - to infinity and beyond better
I think if the upthread Harris voter didnt vote but spent less of their time talking other people out of voting for Harris we might be in a better position today
"Some, it seems to me, elect their rulers for their crookedness. But I think that a straight stick makes the best cane, and an upright man the best ruler." ~ Henry David Thoreau en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_D...
He's right but I'm not sure a single trump voter is actually mature enough to take his advice.
www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/...?
This is such an American conclusion. It's all about "character", because if bad things happen it can't be because there's anything wrong with your perfect political system... Harris voters are apparently of good or adequate character, if only more people were like them..
Yeah, if only more people were like them - because then we wouldn't have Trump. Which would be good. And in what magical political system, exactly, do bad things not happen when lazy, selfish, ill-informed voters elect dim-witted would-be tyrants?
Right, those dimwits who have the nerve to vote need to go back to the rock they were hiding under before 2016, it's not like the US political class (that comprise the system) was grooming them to be exactly like that at least from the eighties onward or anything.
Hearing this in the muted trombone sound of the adults in Charlie Brown cartoons.
OMG. I missed this last time. It's pitch perfect.
Its not sustainable having to repeatedly vote to stop half the electorate from punching themselves in the face, I stand by that statement and its arguably at least in the same "spirit" as radiofreetom's thread.
Everyone in my immediate family voted for Trump. None see any irony with that and their deep affection for my nephew's wife, the US-born child of (possibly illegal) Mexican immigrants. They never discuss the immigration issue. 🤷♀️
In this day and age and seeing the world these boot-licking, racist, hateful bigots actively cheer for? Anyone who supports, I don't want in my life. It isn't my job to hang around and hope to convince them to not be a piece of shit. My job is to make the world safer for those they target and hate.
Perhaps that's because Harris voters are more likely to have gone to therapy and have a grasp of personal boundaries, unlike many conservative voters.
Are we sure people are responding to this question honestly?
It's a badly asked question. Conservatives don't HAVE people in their lives with "different views" to cut off because American conservatism isn't a set of coherent ideas, it's a homogenous hive-mind religious cult - Believers, not Thinkers.
Exactly. The same group of right wing people who think they would never cut off family for political beliefs also contains the people who abandon their own children for being queer.
Correlation fallacy here imo.
What these findings show is that Trump voters are dishonest sacks of shit and Harris voters largely understand the actual threat that Trump and his supporters are to this country and the world.
this is a very silly poll question and also “2024 non voters” is a wild choice
Nonvoters don't care about anything, so they don't stand for anything either.
my mother tried to kill me for being a disabled trans woman who demanded my independence and the entire family took her side youre daamn right im cutting them off. You think i wanted to do that? I had to for my safety and sanity.
“I would never cut someone off for political reasons! Oh, that cousin? Well that different, she’s a lesbian who is going to hell. Of course she’s not invited to Christmas!”
or they'll invite the lesbian cousin over on the pretense of Christmas, and it ends up as an intervention/conversion therapy session. There's no hate quite like Christian love, after all.
And then if the cousin stops coming, guess who shows up on this survey as one of those meanie-pants Harris voters who cut off their family for “political” reasons?
My MIL (Former Rep) has 2 gay cousins but we only recently got her to FINALLY stop saying “I don’t agree with” & “love the sinner, hate the sin!” Told her they were shitty remarks no one needs but b/c she does follow Jesus, my husband used excerpts on judgement to get through to her.
I know this doesn’t work on most American Christians & am thankful it worked w/her. She also switched parties after we started dating. Actually listened to my perspective which was totally outside of her tiny bubble. She was also an “It’s our pride” person. Def called that out!
"We invited Cousin Sue to join us for Christmas dinner, but she got all pissy when we said that her wife wasn't welcome at our traditional Christian celebration. Why won't she answer any of our texts?!? Can you believe that Sue would abandon her family over political disagreements like this?!?"
Because Conservatives are so locally tribal that they consider the liberals, blacks, women, lgbtq folks they know as "one of the good ones" rather than the faceless boogeyman they've built of all of us.
Because people don’t have actual beliefs and hate the implications of them. Or worse, think Jesus will redeem them for being so fucking awful. Plus, they’re winning.
Damn. That last part 🚬The ends truly justify the means to them.
"Oppposing political views" is quite the wording there.
The trumpers are lying. Simple as. How many have kicked their LGBTQ+ kids out of the house?
a few cut me off for caling them assholes and shitheads for being rascist so don't forget that
In my family, the republicans make it so unpleasant to be around due to the need to argue their case whether or not I want to hear it.
Isn’t it logical people should be more willing to cut off family that wants to take rights away from others or destroy institutions that save lives like the CDC as opposed to the point of contention being “we need more prayer”?
You could ask "Is it okay to cut off contact with a family member if they had an Abortion" You could ask "Is it okay to cut off contact with a family member if they are transgender". Make a list of questions like that, and see what happens 🙃
Bro are you one of the influencers taking secret checks from the DNC? You’ve stunk like a DNC influencer for like a year lmao, what is this nonsense
It's weirdly a power move because it's one of the few things that does scare the other side.
FYI, we don’t cut them off for their political views — tax rates, trade policy, immigration rules, etc. We cut them off because they support Nazis kidnapping people off the street for being brown, ignoring the Constitution, lying about elections, forcing women to give birth against their will, etc.
This—it’s their values and willingness to hurt others snd not their politics per se.
I think I'm missing the point with this survey - so what if I don't want to subject myself to bigoted insane idiots
Who would want to be friends with a racist homophobic transphobic psychopathic Nazi shit who would kill you on a whim.
I think it's just good boundary setting to minimize time with people who are supporting an oppressive and violent regime that harms us.
So shitty people don’t want there to be consequences for being shitty?
Abuser says its not cool for abuse victims to cut them off because of abuse, abuse victims disagree. Pretty old story.
Republicans are in their heart of hearts and core… abusive their entire ideology and worldview is abusive they can go fuck themselves
We walked away from family because of child molestation over 20 years ago. Some things can’t be tolerated or looked past. What is happening now is so far beyond politics, it hurts me to see it framed that way, no matter the final take away.
THIS ⬆️⬆️⬆️
This is untrue. The evangelical right is notorious for throwing their children out on the street.
MAGA doesn’t have to cut non-MAGA people from their life, because non-MAGA are generally decent humans.
That’s a pretty big group of people. So it’s a fairly common stance.
remotely Harris voters here. Never thought of cutting off anyone. We avoid confrontation and discord.
This feels delulu. Conservatives are FAMOUS for cutting off family. It has been their MO for decades! Your kid is gay? Kick them out! Your kid is atheist? Kick them out! I guess I'm wondering what they see as "cutting off"?
They would always say, well if you denounce that I will take you back. You're not really cut off because if you deny who you are and submit to them they'll take you back. Does that not count to them, because if so, I think most progressives have the same stance. Stop being racist and we can hang.
I think “political views” is a little vague here (maybe unavoidably). It’s one thing to be generally conservative… quite another to be gleefully cheering on (e.g.) the imprisonment of lawful residents in miserable detention camps.
Exactly.
Also in 2025 it seems like many people on both sides may be interpreting “political views“ as a euphemism for “supporting Trump” since he’s such a polarizing and inescapably dominant figure in our political culture now.
If the question were rephrased as “because they support policies that you consider cruel and immoral” it might get different responses.
Very much agree. These questions don't account for (among other things) the long history of conservative positions being presented as apolitical, as "common sense", and of conservatives either consciously or unconsciously weaponizing the idea of "politicization" as a result.
For an uncomfortably timely example: calling for gun control after a mass shooting is "politicizing a tragedy"; demonizing the mentally ill (or other minority groups) after a mass shooting is "just common sense"
Both of those are basically exactly the same minus a matter of loudness. Sorry to have to say it but even your nice guy conservatives are equally as horrible human beings as the loud MAGA types
It helps gentility that Harris voters aren't fascist or fascist tolerant and aren't in a constant state of pique over some culture war shit.
Those people take for granted history and our freedoms. They don’t seem to understand politics affects our everyday lives and think it is some game that people play with no consequences
Reading the chart, Trump voters are just as far from the average as Harris voters. Yet your takeaway is "Harris voters are weird".
I haven't personally cut anyone off but a lot of us believe, correctly, that a Trump vote (2? 3?) is morally beyond the pale and calls into question that person's character. It was true in 2016 and it's only gotten more true since then. They started this
So all those folks who kick their kids out for coming out, they agree that being LGBTQ+ ISN'T political?
Poir use if language here. "Only group remotely likely" suggests majority support it, while the opposite is true. Regardless of the literal meaning of those words, it is easy for a reader to infer that is what you are saying. Also, your colors are horrendous. Do better.
First of all Trump voters are full of it, they are the first group to cancel and now punish those who dare disagree. Second, my parents disowned me because of who I am and who I loved. So, GMAFB bro.
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people who follow leaders proclaiming they want to line you up against a wall and shoot you down? yeah, it's best not to be contacting those people very often.
phrasing it as "opposing" is disingenuous, that's just disagreement you shouldn't break w ppl because of simple disagreement but what's the nature, the terms, of said disagreement? how about "violent" or "racist" or "authoritarian" views instead then how do the answers change
If you asked people about "lifestyle" I imagine this would change, rather significantly. Some of the issue here is that what people consider "political" varies wildly.
This looks like a biased polling to suit one’s frame of mind.
Of course the right still needs someone to listen to them while they rant at thanksgiving. That’s why they’re all complaining about the Bluesky “bubble” right?
It's interesting to talk to Trump supporters in my life. They all know my views. I don't hide anything. It would not bother me to just keep them out of my life. When I take my morning walk, they tend to seek me out. Feels like they are trying very hard prove to me that they're not bad people.
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There are so many variables ignored by this question. Trump voters include white nationalists who support him for his racism, misogyny and Project 2025. They cannot claim ignorance about his very open racism. They like to say "I didn't vote for the man". Yes, yes they did.
These are the same parents that treated their kids like shit growing up and when their 25 or 30 year old disappears from their life or doesn’t let them be around their grandkids, they play the victim card. It’s not surprising that people with boundaries voted against the abuser.
