The murder of Charlie Kirk was criminal, wrong, and should be condemned. And Charlie Kirk was a horrible, hateful man who spent his life radicalizing young people to embrace their worst demons by targeting women, people of color, immigrants, and the marginalized. I refuse to sanitize him.
I've listened to a bunch of his videos and he was actually very respectful. Had his own opinions but always let others share their own. There is just to much hate from so many in the us now, from both parties. It's time to find a way to some common ground that would be good for all of us.
Bigotry with a smile is still bigotry. Also, cackling while chanting "Your body, my choice" is hardly respectful. It has also been taken up as a chant by teenaged boys to intimidate their female classmates. Lie all you want. You can't whitewash what he spent his life doing.
He was a neo nazi literally spewing Hitler talking points. Fuck you, nazi scum
I have no empathy because I was told, by him, that empathy is a weakness. And I'm not weak. And I have no sympathy because I was told, by him, that this was the cost of keeping our 2nd Amendment Right viable. So this was what he wanted. According to him. 🤷👍
And, for the record, the outpouring of "Violence is never the solution to Political Disagreements" miss the mark in lifht of the fact that this country, historically, has never ReAlLy had a problem with employing violence to settle political disagreements... Especially where the Gov't is concerned 🤷
I refuse to “carry on his work”, as Gov. Newsom put it.
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We all agree that murder is bad. Just like we all agree that Charlie Kirk was an asshole.
I think the fascists sacrificed one of their own to start a civil war. Mark my words. This will turn out to be the Reichstag Fire.
How they have that casket ready for him so quickly?
Same thought
That's fine, we have a lot more Nazis to rid ourselves of 🙏
We should have been more thorough in WWII. Some speech should not be protected, some political ideals should be crushed, and some people who spread hate, bigotry, and discord should be eliminated. If it kicks of a civil war then it just means cleaning house and resetting a broken country.
We should have been more thorough in the Civil War.
Yes, the confederacy should have been held much more accountable for their traitorous actions and the States rights of that confederacy should have been revoked until proven to be in line with the victorious State of the Union.
Thank you We have installed the confederates right into the white house and capitol..
Yeah, Germany doesn't fuck around with this nazi shit at all.
That’s how I’ve been seeing it.
Ya he was shot from 200 yards. That sounds military to me.
I think it's to distract from Trump being in the Epstein Files more than anything, because not only is it working, but it's got the Left cannibalizing their own. But I agree. I beleive someday, it'll come out this was set up by Trump's regime. Kirk got them votes. They didn't need him anymore.
I think you’ve nailed it.
No only that, to his credit, he had been asking for the release of the files recently.
He walked that back, tho, and said he "trusted his friends in the administration" to handle it. =/
Apparently, Laura 'fish lips' Loomer called him a traitor a week ago. This whole thing stinks of tRump and Maga.
I had this nagging feeling from day one that Pedo's sticky little fingerprints were all over this. Charlie was sacrificed to the cause.
Well it turns out he was a rabid follower of Nick Fuentes, Nazi, who recently met with KKKankles. There could be a tie, however, it seems he thought Charlie was just not Nazi enough, and then there was Laura Loomer’s post. Let them destroy each other, and leave the rest of us the hell alone.
Crazy since it happened right in my backyard and I'm a UVU grad and know that place where it all happened.
Very possible.
The Reichstag fire has already happened. They are going to make an Erhentempel out of him.
Condone it, or condemn it, it was inevitable with the acceleration of trmps push to fascism.
I always condemn murder, but I’m sure these psychopaths are behind it.
I’m horrified that I had the same thought and believe its credibility. Anything to keep the focus away from Trump’s pedophilia and frame him as a hero.
Thiiiiis. They martyred one of their own because Trump has been screaming "Get me a distraction from the Epstein files!!" for MONTHS. MTG was even going after him. His own people have been turning on him. They needed a distraction, and this was the perfect one.
This is the second one. The first was the child in PA who allegedly shot his ear.
His ear was NEVER SHOT! He was either splattered with blood from the actual victim, hit with a sliver of glass that made a tiny nick, or it was fake blood because it was all bullshit. No bullet touched him.
Agreed. Completely. Butler, PA is heavily Right Wing. I have severely radicalized family in those parts and yeah. The second I found out where it happened I was like "False. Flag."
There is no one in the world who believes that Pedo was shot at.
His own people do. 🙄
Yes, but they’re idiots.
Oh *absolutely.*
They believe pro wrestling too.
😂😂😂 You’re not wrong.
Ayup.
Absolutely, you would think they do. However, if you asked Pedo today what the name of his pretend assassin was, he probably couldn't tell you.
1000% It's one of the few conspiracies I believe in: It wasn't an "assassination attempt." It was a *photo-op.*
The problem with that, within Maga, it normalized political assassination. Pedo's little stunt trivialized political assassination.
Ironically, the 'child' in PA might still be around living under a different identity somewhere. (One of)The strange things about that is that you could find 10k people in the US who know the name of the guy who shot Reagan, but you couldn't find 100 people who know the name of the kid.
I have thought this exact thing, and what’s the name of the man allegedly shot behind KKKanks? No coverage of a funeral. Hardly a mention. It’s all very weird.
Yes, why wasn't there a half mast for him? Does anyone know his name. Why hasn't his family gone after Pedo for that little stunt?
No name recognition = worthless to DJT.
They are pretty much doing everything else according to Hitler's playbook...this makes more sense than other theory that I've heard.
This. Some people just want to see the world burn. Perhaps the shooter was one of them.
Or, more likely, Dear Leader needed a distraction from the Epstein files and told his Shadow Broker Steve Bannon to find said distraction (something that's been documented he's been doing for months), and Steve Bannon got one of his puppets to go gank Kirk.
That wouldn’t surprise me at all. One thing to note: Trump had a stroke at the 9/11 ceremony. His face is all droopy on one side. His latest speeches are AI generated. I think he’s on his last legs, and the backup psychopath will take over. JD. It’s going to get bad.
Yeeeah. And Vance is.... yikes. They're both awful, and I'm praying that the base won't be as willing to lionize the Couch Fucker and that *maybe* if Trumpty-Dumpty dies, we can pull back some of this insanity. But honestly, I'm very afraid it's already too late.
I’m thinking the exact same thing. The oligarchs have destroyed all of the soft infrastructure that held the democracy together. They’re greedy psychopaths, & just want money, power, & a peasant class to eat their shit. They own SCOTUS who are blatantly ignoring the Constitution & NOBODY will fight.
I am certain of this.
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Yep.
I will honor his memory by not giving a flying fuck, as he whished
A truly hateful and despicable individual. May God have mercy on his soul.
Where he went, God isn't around.
You might be onto something…
No.
As the saying goes - "live by the 2nd Amendment, die by the 2nd Amendment."
Yes. Thank you.
A trial and punishment would have been ideal, yes.
Finally, we are doing what our Grandfathers did to Facists from 1939 to 1945 to these modern Republikkkanazis.
It's bizarre the way people are sanitized when they die. Flags flying at half staff?? This changes nothing, he was a vile hateful human being and that is why he was gunned down in public by the public.
Charlie Kirk was no martyr for the cause, he was an awful little man who reaped what he sowed.
May he find no rest in hell.
Thank you! I refuse to sugarcoat the impact he had on fomenting a toxic environment, but that doesn’t mean I advocate for murder!
They won't surrender their desire to achieve authoritarianism. Every bullet fired in the US Civil War was for the same reason. That's why they're still flying the confederate flag and Nazi salutes. F-them!
John Dunne proven wrong once again !
Go fuck a goat, liar
He never did that you utter piece of garbage
The guy was a goose stepping fascist, plain and simple.
He was also lying about trans people being mass shooters right before he got killed. I found the video, but it was a pretty graphic shot so i won’t link it.
1/2 From the article: “Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked Kirk, in a video seen by PinkNews. “Too many,” Charlie Kirk said in response.
2/2 The audience member followed it up with a second question: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?” “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.
🧵 Also, here’s an article on trans mass shooters. This is why knowing how to read statistics is so important, especially when you’re in politics. They have trans people mixed in with Asian, Black, White, Hispanic, and Native American people. This is a problem because they’re not accounting for
the racial demographics of trans people. Your other issue, is the fact that they rate is from 0.0 to 0.7. not even a full number. so trans and nb folks, according to this bs stat, account for 0.718% of mass shootings, from 2015-2025.
Amen to all of that. As an AFAB woman I can say, without any doubt in my mind: trans women are women, trans people have never been a problem and never will be a problem.
EXACTLY! As a black woman, Kirk words have created an unsafe and unfair environment for me and other women of color to exist! He’s the same person who said the civil rights act was a mistake! He has consistently stated black women, in particular, are unqualified and we took jobs from white men!
Exactly, he created an environment that left all women - no matter what sex they were born into, what color their skin is, how old they are or what sexual orientation they have - unsafe and put a target on their back. It’s people like him who are the cause of the misogynistic pandemic.
You're not the only one. To me it feels similar to feeling sorry for Goebbels Global Christians who are not local American evangelicals do not see them as true Christians based on the ignoring of Jesus teachings A US 1930's movement called Judeo-Christians en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-C...
They accept local Judaism only when they convert to US local style evangelical Christianity which means not accepting Judaism which is also in line with the Nazis fascism from a century ago So it's factually correct they are rebranded Nazis historically just doing it again
It's literally the rebranding of last century's Nazism by the Project 2025 group and the known billionaires group with names Musk, Thiel, Karp, Mercer etc popping up with grandparents having roots in Hitler's 3rd Reich
It's all known history connected with everyone's behavior Elon's Hitler salute as high as a kite was far from being a coincidence Trump can cry all he wants but erasing known history and knowledge with recorded facts he cannot There's a real reason why he likes Putin and other cleansers
I find it odd that young people were drawn to his message.
Same. He radicalized so many.
Thank you.
As bad or worse than those creeps in the North of ENGLAND and what they did to white young women? (Always mention skin colour! Unless you are white...then DON'T!) Serious concern. 👍
Time to get back to pressuring the White House on Epstein.
Truly have to admire the dedication to his cause 🤣
Rights that the GOP trample over time and time again. Rights that the GOP really cares about is one right and it is listed 2nd.
The biggest for in mouth on record.
Foot in mouth.
Even Charlie Kirk wouldn’t mourn his own death based on his perverse beliefs, so I’ll say, RELEASE THE FILES!!!!
Charlie Kirk was just an milquetoast Conservative Lion of no import: he shared the views of Chris Christie, Michael Bloomberg, Romney, Murdoch, and the Kushners and kowtowed to Trump because Trump kowtowed to the Conservative Lions. Trump would have ditched him along with the others in late 2026.
“Lion?” Angry house cat, maybe.
Conservative Lion is a term used to refer to Stupublicans who are not Trumpanzees but are seen as moderate in comparison to Trump and neoconservatives: i.e Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and John McCain were praised by CNN as reasonable Republicans. Conservative Lion has been used for decades.
John McCain WAS the only republican I ever considered voting for, but as for the others, “Lion” feels too generous for them. I call them cowards.
Conservative Lion originated to describe people like William F. Buckley, i.e. reasonable Stupublicans. It is contrasted with neoconservatives who destroy everything they touch, and populists like Trump.
Right! Just thoughts
This is the way. Condemn political violence *and* the violent rhetoric spewed by people like him that helped set the stage for it.
And The Medal Of Freedom? Come on,. It is NOT WARRANTED. The medal is now meaningless, Especially after trump gave one to Rush Limbaugh and is planning to award one to Rudy Giuliani.
Diminishing its value like our country since he's been in office again.
Those who choose to live and die by the sword, are owed no sorrow. For they choose their path! -The Queen of the Universe 2025
Donald Trump just announced that Joe Biden will be arrested for the murder of Charlie Kirk. Everything is fine.
I agree ☝🏽
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Sometimes, people get exactly what they have coming to them. I don't feel glee in it. They say you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead. But let's not all pretend that he was a decent man.
He should be cremated to avoid urine on said grave.
#ohwell
Opinion well reserved for you bro. only that dead people cant defend themselves. Its a lesson well learnt for the sober. RIP Kirk!
Kirk had an entire lifetime to prove us wrong about him and he failed. And he died in that failure.
Remind me what part of the holocaust was stopped with polite pleas and requests to stop.
Yeah, he was a hate clown grifter, but also a sad, damaged person who somehow managed to get married and have children. Assassination is for ideas, not people.
As disgusting as he was. Two wrongs do not make a right.
No but it's still funny and cathartic
I agree. His near deification hours after his (horrific) death is disturbing, creepy even. It smacks of cultism--or worse, the kind of devotion some political figures commanded in the early 20th Century. Taken home in Air Force 2? Is he JFK? Medal of Freedom? Those medals mean little these days.
Charlie Kirk called for public televised executions of trumps political rivals and forcing children young as 12 to watch. There's video
Can you share the video?
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I just saw some witnesses being interviewed by ABC. One was a female adult and 2 female preteens. One of the preteens said she watched all of Kirk's videos. I bet, if someone had just said Kirk was a leftist, they would not watch him. We need to do better in this country.
Those two things are equally true.
Thank you.
Agreed!
Perfectly, succinctly, truthfully said.
Im allowed to not care. He said gun deaths were a small price to pay for "freedom "...and he was talking about children dying. Didnt wish this on him....but i do not have to give a shit.
That's at least two of us I have no shits to give
Make that three. He was beyond awful and his death is not a loss.
I do want to point out Im not rejoicing in the MANNER of his passing...nor do i think it changes much. Id rather he passed a diacredited old man, or maybe an old man who'd realized the error of his ways...but i don't get to decide such things.
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Not only are you allowed not to care, it's actually what kkkirk would've wanted.
Perfect summation
Karma showed up in a big way.
Well said.
Two things can be true at once.
The correct answer, thank you
Your commentary is consistently craven Go sanitize yourself.
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Wondering when it will be time to discuss the very real possibility that Trump had Kirk shot
A 200-yard kill shot isn’t something a random person could pull off—it takes expert marksmanship with a scoped rifle, the kind of skill only found in trained snipers or very seasoned hunters. Fewer than 5% of people could even attempt it, and only a tiny fraction could do it under pressure.
You know how many seasoned hunters there are in Utah? A ton!
Challenge accepted! Critical thinking hat on: shooter looks ~30. Only ~0.3% of Utah hunters under 35 could land a 200-yard human neck shot—that’s maybe 800 people total… or just 1 false flag agent 🤔
In a controlled shooting range, on a calm day, I’m accurate at 75 yards. The Kirk killer was balls to the wall accurate. Bet they were well paid.
As Trump said: he can kill someone on 5th ave and his cult would still follow him. He murdered Kirk and his cult is still there.
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Two things can and are true. But the 🍊 💩 and co. have declared him a martyr now.
There Is no way to sanitize him man. He helped to create the situation we're in...
Truth.
Live by the gun die by the gun… It’s so obvious if you restrict and control guns you reduce gun crime.
I disagree. A lot of suffering, and slaughter would've been prevented if Hitler was killed early on. But more importantly, the Versailles Treaty should have never been with its ridiculous demands on Germany creating the circumstances for Hitler to rise. That is the real lesson US leaders ignored.
Agree
Who will be next? According to some media there have already been several assassinations on Republicans in power positions are now dead along with their spouses open.substack.com/pub/thebulwa...
As a Black man, I refuse to pray for an authoritarian group(AKA, MAGA Republicans) that in my opinion, are attempting to take my race back to the days of Jim Crow , or even worse, slavery. No thanks!
That’s the plan as set out in Project 2025 Republicans remove all Mexican asylum seekers and those who’ve lived here for years; that once out of America they may (likely) insist that African Americans take those jobs -as Michelle Obama said “Black Jobs” …to me, being president is one of those jobs!
Same here. Thanks.
I don't know why the right is so angry, he willingly sacrificed himself for the 2A. He was OK with other innocent Americans being blown away, so why are they so angry when it happened to him?
Oh I know, you would think Republicans would shrug their shoulders & call it an "Occupational hazard".
Yeah, it was a rhetorical question. Selective outrage is built into the right wing movement.
Selective outrage is what the right wing movement survives off of
Correct!
I don’t condemn what he brought upon himself
But assassination is not the answer!
Would you say the same if Hitler was assassinated?
What?
Me^2 He was hate personified. Worse, he built fame and fortune on it. Does it get any more despicable than that? It doesn't. He was the embodiment of most every human trait I abhor. The world is a slightly better place today.
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Also, Tim Urban on X says "Every post on Bluesky is celebrating the assassination. Such unbelievably sick people." Urban trolls bluey. He represents the rhetoric on X
I wonder what Jesus said when he arrived at the foot of the cross…
Thank you.
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I'm having a dinner party this weekend. 😁
It was RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT 🎉
Can't dehumanize those who sold their humanity to profit off others' suffering. No, fuck that, this wasn't political, it was a moral fucking duty. Gloves are off, no more being nice to these facists. His projections came full circle, and his facists buddies and enablers have been warned now.
Sadly ,one of the ONLY sain response to what happened,don't get me wrong,I don't agree with a lot of things he said ,but to CELEBRATE a murderer is fucking disgusting
And both can be true.
hahah, nah. he's trash and deserved what he got.
agreed
So many things can all be true at once.
I get no joy in Charlie Kirk's death, you can't preach so much hatred & not expect an angry response. Americans are fed up with what's happening to our country. Trump leads the way in the cause of hate & destruction. Magats haven't made anything great, it's led us to this moment. #Resist
Nailed it.
MOST Americans are fed up.......
Thank u. Those two things can be true at the same time
Nope!
Oh but he is gonna be a right wing martyr now. Will be sanctified by the religious right within a week…
Oh, didn’t take long for Bojo to throw in an idiotic tweet about the ‘matyr of free speech’
“Girl, just go to college long enough to get your Mrs. degree; that’s all the education you need” = “simple common sense”?
Good Grief did BoJo ever listen to Kirk spew his hatred & vitriol in his Christofacist ways & www.azcentral.com/story/opinio...
Assuming the gunman was on top of a building and that far away, the target size would've been extremely small and hard to hit. No way do I buy it was just some random kid or person that was pissed. That was skill.....and they're still at large. My opinion, it has State-sponsor written all over.
....to distract from?
Our children are shot and killed in their churches and classrooms all the time, just like he was. Absolutely NO sympathy from me or the rights gun mentality. This is exactly where the gun culture was heading many years ago when the NRA promoted it & the right adopted it. A no brainer folks.
“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.” — Charlie Kirk
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I’m not convinced it was wrong.
I guess you didn't watch anything he said or did. Why would you? You're just parroting talking points because he was a conservative and very Christian. When you die, I'll be sure to mention what a waste of a human you were and we'd be better off if you never were born
What did he say that wasn't true?
Well said!
Thank you for that.
Well said,sir.
His last words were hate speech. Appropriate.
Totally this👆
This is the right take. His life and his death can both be terrible.
I think this is a very fair point of view. If you made this, well done. It expresses many folks feelings eloquently.
Nope. Copypasted 🤷🏽♂️
I agree
This is the correct take. All political violence is wrong and must be condemned. At the same time, being assassinated does not absolve one of their sins and convey instant sainthood. It is horrible that he was murdered. But we can still say he was a horrible person. Both can be true.
Political violence is a pastime and tradition in this country. This wasn't political. This was personal. This was a moral duty to end his dehumanizing rhetoric. Or... CIA psyop to get this facists coup finished before Christmas and more distractions from the fucked up shit our politicians vote on.
Yep.
nah. politics IS violence, you just don't like the target because he spoke in dog whistles. he was a paid agent of the heritage foundation and other fascist organizations, not a civilian with a difference of opinions.
Yea. I def wish this hadn’t happened. The consequences are not going to be good. But I won’t feel bad for him.
The global proletariat suffers political violence every day. The right only complains when it's directed at the bourgeoisie
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And as it turns out, so does the left, if it is a white male of the same vocational caste as the murdered sociopath. Hate the murder, but don’t ever forget how the man lived his life & built his wealth & power.
I firmly believe you are correct just as much as I firmly believe we will never get mainstream buy in in America at least unless we change the verbiage, make it gen z slang or something dumb to make it catch on
THIS is the correct take.
The one cool person in the thread
Correct. AND, as a matter of avoiding pointless conflict and repression, we should avoid publicly expressing beliefs vis à vis the moral valence of shooting fascists.
I won’t cheer it on, not because of some serious moral objection to cheering it on, but because of the material reality that doing so is a practice that will result in unnecessary stumbling blocks to serious leftist praxis by tying me up in legal battles and whatnot.
Chuck died on the hill of gun control. We don’t need to die on the hill of “Good.”
Agree 💯
Charlie Kirk was not a politician, he was a hate filled conspiracy theorist using a book of fairy tales as his "justification" for his crappy beliefs - this is not political violence. Elected Democratic lawmakers being gunned down in their own home, that is political violence.
True. He was a pundit who died by violence he supported. Flags at half staff for him but not the actual politician murdered alongside her family in MN is disgraceful.
Any politically driven violence should be condemned. However, we can also understand why many people would want to assassinate a man who made it his mission to spread hatred and bigotry.
He was a right wing conspiracy theorist gunned down. He was not a political figure who was assassinated.
Any violence committed for political reasons is political violence. The assassination of MLK Jr. was political, and he wasn’t a political figure either. If the person is targeting someone for their political views, we can assume it was politically motivated until we find out more information.
Shitty take shannon.
Explain why.
I feel it would be a waste of time.
Spoken like someone with no actual knowledge of the world. If you are motivated by politics, that would be a politically motivated action, right? I’m just a hard leftist, and also someone who understands how language works.
Both are absolutely true
Charlie Kirk was not a victim of political violence. He was a victim of gun violence, something he fervently supported. He died in accordance with his deeply held beliefs. He was not assassinated. That's a word for policial figures, not pundits. Words mean actual things, even in 2025.
100% Words matter.
The American public doesn’t understand words, context, or nuance anymore. All that went the way of critical thinking, empathy, and the buffalo.
I don’t cry for Nazis. I’ll go watch inglorious bastards again and think of Kirk
Agreed and Fuck Trump. He gave the Medal of Freedom to Rush.
Don't forget Gym Jordan.
Watching that video all I need is a Tarantino film to compete with that gush!
This is glorious, indeed. www.imdb.com/title/tt1484...
I haven’t been able to see this yet but looking forward to it.
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Now let's get back to pressuring the administration on Epstein.
Was that the whole quote or the cherry picked part?
How the fuck do you think something that repugnant can be cherry picked? There is no context that makes that an ok thing to say. Or this for another example. Full context provided since you’re obviously dense. Don’t try to lionize or excuse this vile asshole.
Typical response from people like you. Calling someone a name. Go touch some grass.
And that’s a typical response from a troll account just here to stir up shit. Don’t worry about me junior, I’m able to participate in online discussions and get outside all in a single day. Kindly fuck off if you don’t like my dislike of Kirk’s life’s work and all the horrible shit he said.
When more people understand that this is how conservatives are built-- that they literally do not understand or possess empathy, and believe that it is a con, a trick, and a deception and not a genuine human trait-- we will finally be able to move forward as a species.
I agree about killing him being wrong but, I too, don’t want his death to overshadow the fact that he was a despicable racist and MAGA proponent who’s done great damage to our country!
My grandfather killed Nazis in WWII do you condemn that too?
So far from what I have heard & read, the Groypers and the MAGAs sound like much the same ideologically. Is there a meaningful difference between the two?
Any murder is wrong. And the murder of ONE hateful person doesn't free the world of all hate. That's the lesson I learned from Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment.
The murder was criminal, but it wasn’t wrong.
I’m having a heaping plate of Schadenfreude for dinner tonight.
and the Christian right like this guy…. Totally contrary to Jesus teachings. Still his death shouldn’t b celebrated
Jesus never taught that trans women aren’t women and should be shot. Or that LGBTQ+ people should be locked away. Or that women don’t have a right to their own bodies. I’m religious or even a Christian, but it’s abundantly clear that all that BS isn’t in the bible. It’s political propaganda.
*not religious
Ideologically motivated violence is disproportionately perpetrated by far-right extremists, especially white supremacists. The assassination of activist Charlie Kirk, illustrates how political rhetoric and right-wing media narratives misrepresent the sources and nature of political violence.
Probably best you don’t post about him then ………. This is one of those occasions when silence would really be golden.
It is sad....but it's a fact that he was the author of his own tragedy.
He made money from being a hatemonger. Many innocent people have been hurt and killed because of him. Period!
Me too.
The Act was hideous but so was the man he should not have been shot and killed but he fomented the very violence that in the end captured him.
You are a despicable person for your hatemongering.
But he is condemning his death. As you do. An opinion on his values is what Charlie Kirk loved. He would put himself and his values up against others with different values all the time.....that is what he was doing and he would advocate your right to disagree with him
lol. They’re not the Bible.
In the Divided States of Trump truth is despicable.
Charlie Kirk knew that he was a target, he had regular death threats and yet espoused dialog in the public especially with people who disagreed with him. He used questions and facts. His message was one of hope. It was one that said violence was not the answer, it was civil discourse that we needed
The Republikkkans will happily oil their guns with the blood of children as long as we allow them to.
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That comment says a lot about you I hope you don’t delete it
Very well stated and I followed you after reading this.
I did too.
Charlie Kirk was a disgusting vile degenerate piece of shit and the world is better off without him. Fuck him. General Eisenhower lead our grandparents and great grandparents in Europe to kill Nazis. Republicans made him president Make America moral again!
A Mossad / CIA operation ... what will happen to you or me when we are no longer useful to Israel ?
I'm not happy he's dead, but I'm also not sad. He was a horrible person who gleefully caused harm.
"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
I'm old, but only three deaths in my life were welcome.
Thank you for correcting my long wrong belief that my favorite, Mark Twain, was the originator of the quotation above! Always be learning…
That quote is frequently misattributed. Even newspapers have been known to print it with credit to Twain, only to have to retract and correct it later. It's one of those "common knowledge" things that just became wrong, like saying "butt naked" or "tow the line" (buck naked, toe the line).
Lol. Those errors make me crazy especially if I’m one to perpetuate them. It would be a “bold face lie” if I refused to admit this! 😂
Oh yes - in keeping with your post ( bald faced lie).
I'm happy he's dead. I ain't advocating for assassination. But in his case, it's funny, and an evil man is no longer around to spew poison. I laughed. I do not care what libs think of that. It's objectively funny that the gun fetishist neo nazi got shot to death
2025 the Dumbing down of America Normalization of Fascism God Bless USA 🇺🇸
There isn't enough bleach or soap.
Just release those EPSTEIN Files Charlie Kirk would’ve wanted that for THE FELON, RAPIST, TRAITOR PEDO
He was a hateful person, actively encouraged violence/harm toward innocent communities of people simply bc he didn’t like them, actively argued against women’s rights. He was not a good person. He literally said every gun death is worth it to protect the 2nd amendment….
No one should be gunned down like that but our country has a lot of healing to do from his damage. he indoctrinated college students to the hate club all across this country. Exposed them to lies and vile deceptions. His movement bred a new generation of educated people who reject other humans
Would you support Hitler being taken out? How about all the killings of nazis in ww2? During the war, and the Nuremberg executions? Since when do we pearl clutch for literal nazis? Because that's what Kirk was. Verbatim.
I never heard of the guy until today, but yeah he seemed to be a really horrible person...
Should it really be condmended? Or should these monsters stop getting by with... being monsters? I'm just asking questions.
God decided his fate, If he'll isn't befitting of that horrid man I don't know what is.
Thank you. There are enough people trying to whitewash his contribution to the place we are right now.
Kirk war ein Mörder und Totschläger - die primitivste Sorte der USA
And, like it or not, just like Trump, Charlie Kirk stoked divisiveness and anti constitutional sentiments in America, especially in the impressionable youth, to increase his own personal wealth and status. It’s estimated that the 31 year old, had accumulated a net worth in the tens of millions.
Yes, both can be true. No need to make him a martyr.
So anyone preaching the word of the lord, asks people to be the best they can be, loves God, family and country, isn't afraid to debate someone with alternative views (with a smile), is passionate about being a husband and father...yeah that's the profile of a hateful man.
If they're also a white supremacist, all their "good" means nothing.
So anyone preaching the word of the lord, asks people to be the best they can be, loves God, family and country, isn't afraid to debate someone with alternative views (with a smile), is passionate about being a husband and father...yeah that's the profile of a hateful man.
Yes.
He was a NAZI. No amount of preaching god makes that better.
Talk about sanitizing a christofascist. Well done old bean.
Nazi hateful loser
Whataboutism going a hundred miles per hour.
Yes, how dare he ask questions that challenged young people to think. How dare he, respectfully, ask people to explain their own beliefs. It’s almost like he lived in America and exercised his right to freedom of speech.
But God forbid anyone tried to exercise *their* right to free speech and voted in a way he didn’t like.
That is exactly what he did. He had debates with people who disagreed with him. They were invited to defend their viewpoints.
I’m happy to defend my viewpoints and why I would vote a certain way, but as an American, I should never have to defend my vote itself, my right to have a say, from other Americans.
Charlie Kirk: “Gay people should be stoned to death”
He called folks evil for who they love, he was a rabid misogynist. He was ok w/people dying every year as long as the 2nd amendment is protected. He was racist to his core. He was disgusting but happened to be acquainted w/ the bible. He didn't deserve to be shot but he didn't care when others were.
Bot-ass answer lol
His questions were only challenging to gullible reactionaries.
Hard-hitting questions like, "every time I get on a plane and the pilot's Black, I have to wonder if he's actually qualified to fly this plane?" Holy fuck, take a seat.
And freedom to carry arms. Live by the sword…….
Freedom to carry arms does not equate to freedom to commit a cowardly murder. It is freedom to defend yourself against the cowardly murderers. How else would you defend yourself?
I was brought up in the UK in the 60s where not even police carried arms. How on earth did we defend ourselves - hmmm maybe we talked it out.
How are all those young English girls defending themselves against immigrant rape gangs these days? Hmm maybe they should try talking it out, great idea.
How did the Epstein girls defend themselves? Epstein - not an immigrant.
Yes. Questions like: if two students are drunk and the woman says she doesn’t want to have sex, can we really blame the guy for not stopping? Top tier critical thinking question there.
Unreal.
Mic drop😂😂
Hilarious you think anything he did was respectful.
What was disrespectful? He debated people he disagreed with. No violence, just conversing.
. #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN #EPSTEIN Don’t stop talking about it!!!! That’s exactly what they want! .
As the saying goes....you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
If I saw a comment from a Kirk opponent... "His murder was wrong. He was a patriot" ... that would be humbug. Sanitizing who he was. I haven't seen or heard one comment like that from Kirk opponents.
This is a consequence of Trump’s divisive and hateful rhetoric. The United States is now even more divided, and I am sure that the Trump administration will use this incident to intensify the pursuit of political opponents.
Absolutely.
He already is. And he's martyring Kirk to do it. And oh look... there's the big, fat distraction he's been desperate to find from his being in the Epstein Files ever since Elon Musk dropped that bomb.
How convenient! I see that even before the perpetrator has been caught, he is already blaming the left wing of American politics. Dangerous!
Yep. Because it's not about Kirk or his family or empathy or any sense of decency. Or even justice. It's about what benefits Don the Con the most.
This…consequences = Karma Good Karma = Good Energy in return Bad Karma=Bad Energy=Bad consequences. Kirk trying to strip the humanity away from the people he deemed lesser, impacted the lives of thousands, if not millions of people negatively, Kirk failed to realize those people=consequences
Culturally in the USA, violence is an acceptable way to resolve social issues. We see political violence when a divide forms. Dr King was by no means using hateful rhetoric quite the opposite, yet people felt that he was a problem and the USA solution was assassination. portside.org/2014-11-16/f...
"Trump made someone assassinate a right-winger" Hoooly shit, the delusion is off the charts
Maybe you’re just choosing to misunderstand me. But let me spell it out for you: the harsher political climate and the lack of respect for people with different opinions are pushing things toward radicalization. People don’t listen anymore, and no one even tries to understand each other
It the murderer's fault that he chose to murder. No one else's.
I agree but no event stands alone
"I agree" Then since you agree it is the murderer's fault, and no one else's, your "but" and everything after isn't needed.
You just keep on misunderstanding 🤷🏻♂️
No, I understand fully. You have to redirect the focus and the blame away from the individual who was responsible for the murder, and make this about Trump.
So in your opinion the murder had nothing to do with politics? Just a mad man acting in a vacuum?
It had everything to do with politics. But the perpetrator is still 100% responsible. HE is the murderer. HE is the savage. HE pulled the trigger. Kirk did not deserve to die because of his speech. Nobody has the right to murder.
This is a proof that Trump's diagnostic is correct. The left is a domestic terrorist organization that does not want to live with the other half. They prefer violence than dialogue. May their decision be applied.
We can certainly discuss the causes, but calling opponents terrorists is nothing more than a manipulative tactic that only undermines the discussion. Instead, could you say something about why you think Trump’s policies are the right medicine for the American people?
The Divided States of the Epstein Files.
Truly. That’s exactly how trump will use this, except he won’t send any military to into Utah…because he’s partial to murderers, rapists, and thieves.
Exactly. I’m waiting for him to send the military to the red state of Utah to condemn the violence. Big balls got a beat down and the next day Cheeto sent the Calvary. Let’s see if he sends them to Utah too.
Yup
We are divided because you choose not to learn why others think different from you. It’s not Trumps fault. You can easily ignore him and have civil conversation with different people to learn why we have different opinions. We are divided because you choose to be divided. Don’t be a follower.
I think there are several reasons for the division: 1. You have never confronted a very racist past.2The working class has been ignored for far too long and hasn’t had real wage growth since the 70s.3.You have agreed to undermine the value of trade unions.
4.You have allowed the rich to keep getting richer. 5.You need a more civilized political discourse where people listen instead of just throwing insults.
Actually, we are more together on a lot of things - especially that we want background checks, red flag warnings, safe storage, required training to own a gun.
Absolutely agree with you. People are being pushed too far!!!!
Trump being president is a consequence of decades of divisive and hateful rhetoric, action, lawfare, et cetera. On both sides of the US. You guys need some more parties and way better heads of parties.
While Kirk’s death is tragic, let’s not make someone who spent his adult life spreading racist propaganda, hate speech and divisiveness, a poster boy for Free Speech.
And those "some gun deaths" were specifically referring to school shootings -- days following the Covenant School shooting in Nashville.
Thanks for that tidbit. What a hateful thing to say about the death of those children. He was a provocateur.
Not a problem. I've seen the quote going around, leaving-out who he meant by it. It's terrible on the surface, and in-context, so much worse. Especially given the Colorado school shooting, yesterday that MAGA essentially ignored beyond the occasional "Thought and Prayers™️".
Tragic?
Being nice 🤭
Not even racist, but basically promoting gun violence! He was a trash can of a human being who got his karma. Period.
Ya, Kirk was an equal opportunity offender! Black, Brown and wanted to end Sharia Law.
Maybe Kirk was becoming a liability, but now he is a MAGA Martyr. bsky.app/profile/cath...
Someone just posted this on X, Loney Laura puts their discord out there for public consumption.
Thanks. The MAGA who want the Epstein materials exposed are a real threat to Trump. I suspect this "schism" may have played a role. I hope we find out the truth.
I would not be shocked to hear Trump hired a hitman to take care of Kirk! So many mysteries deaths in his close circles; Ivana Trump, Epstein, Virginia Giuffre… I know there’s a few more but too tired to think 🤔
We were just talking about this with some friends the other day!
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/a...
Of course he is. Trump has No Good Qualities-none! He admires only people like himself,who are immoral and unethical garbage.
That award is not an honor anymore after Rush Limbaugh… Rest In Pieces… received one…
your page says Jesus follower, what Jesus are you following? the one on the road to hell? im confused
how am I a hypocrite, if you even have enough brain cells to know what that even means?
Is it tragic though? Maybe to his immediate family...maybe.
Words and actions have consequences.
The right needs to realize that if they continue to punch down on the powerless they eventually punch back. There are consequences for demonizing immigrants, LGBTQ, women, etc. FAFO
They should not confuse passive, with harmless.
There is no need to sanitize or rip on Kirk. We acknowledge the news and mourn the loss of people we admire. Gee I miss Betty White.
This Betty? Yea, Dad and I miss her too. m.imdb.com/name/nm09245...
You're right, both things can be true and it's important that people can hold both things in their head, rather than treating every event like there's two sides and a team they have to support.
Seemed to be full of love.
Exactly. I just can't be sad, but can't be happy about it either. I hate that it happened but good riddance.
Two things can be true.
Perhaps two children wont become Kirks 101 and 102, or maybe the mold has already been set. The man was an ass, for that I am sorry.
Trump is sending a message to the rest of his propagandists. Don’t talk about Epstein or you will die!
#1 we don't even kno who done it yet. #2 where was this outrage when 2 congressional lawmakers were politically assanated? #3 he died doing what he loved. Spreading hate&stoacking fear. All they been doing every day is pushing around& "owning" the libs. Dude got what he deserved, who's next?
You can bet your bottom dollar it was another diversion to get people to stop talking about Epstein-only it will not work like all the other diversions planned by the inept WH
Yep. Ali's first sentence sanitized Kirk. And, all who start their post like that I disagree with them. Its a fact that they're trying to overthrow the government/Republic/democracy. MAGA Republicans are not a political party!
No maga usnt conservatism or Republicanism. They are their own off shoot of extremists. All they do is to hurt others on every level. I have no sympathy for them. Any of them. I kno i might sound cold but im over it. Facism was never beat thru peace. War has been a long time coming. Sad but true.
Agreed!
This too (sanitizing him) will pass. It's what Amer does now. We have a president that encourages every one of those characteristics. Why are we here? Congress who can stop him, the media doesn't pushback & challenge him & big money supports him bc his cruelty has silenced them. @msnbc.com @cnn.com
in a month people will say "oh yeah that guy. what was his name again? yeah Kirk, Charlie Kirk" and in 3 years it'll be somebody giving the wrong question on Jeopardy. and his children will be stigmatized for the rest of their lives
Oh god. This is probably…MOST LIKELY what will happen. We‘ve gotten to this point because a segment of society chose an ignorant, hate-filled buffoon as their godking.
I hope the killer gets away
Thank you. The cleaning continues with AZ flying flags at half staff today for him; with people referring to the killing as an “assassination”. He was a Nazi who spread his Nazi ethos. When did we start mourning Nazis?
Who lives for the guns will perish by the gun. Fate. FAFO.
I agree. His hate should not be sanitized
You can say the word "transgender", you won't burst into flames.
I'll prove it: Transgender. To those, who think, their religion prevents them from tolerance: If god created the world and everything on it, who are we to judge god's creation, which obviously includes everyone? Still here .. nothing has changed .. god's obviously indifferent to that whole topic.
There’s also something else that’s true: universal hate against trans people is not global. It’s mostly prevalent in the US, the UK as well as some Eastern European countries. Haters are everywhere, of course, but in the areas named above, hate has been institutionalized by the government.
Times change in some countries but they are a lot of countries that condemn and jail transgender individuals People is afraid to different They are afraid to change
Laws can neither change nature, nor reality .. and that's a good thing, imho. Elbows up and hold together .. there's a storm coming, but at the end of it, there'll be a giant rainbow!
Fingers crossed “C”
And it’s true. www.the-numinous.com/2016/07/06/n...
Thanks for sharing. I never knew this.
Quite something, isn’t it?
Knowledge and respect ✊🏻 🥰
Happy to share
I’m just learning about this. How interesting. The term Two-Spirit is a translation of the Anishnaabemowin term, niizh manidoowag, which actually translates to “two spirits”.
I didn't know that, but it makes me like and respect Native Americans, even more, than I already did :)
Me too, I always admire them. One word: wisdom
I’ve never heard of this. From a particular tribe?
Hawaiians have Mahus. Half and half. Also very revered and very much accepted
I've just had breakfast and am looking to what has accumulated since I was last logged in .. getting taught some cool things, already .. I love it!
Both things are true.
This is the correct response.
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Exactly. Both things can be true. For people to say that any negative commentary about the guy is “hateful” is disingenuous at best
None of that is true. Charlie had opinions, but he allowed people to challenge him publicly and be heard. The person who shot Charlie had every opportunity to approach and challenge him verbally. Instead he shot and killed him, because he knew he would lose. A sick, cowardly act. RIP Charlie Kirk.
You should be ashamed of yourself @wajali.bsky.social, and so should everyone in your replies agreeing with you and essentially celebrating the death of a young father with two very young children. Social media is corrupting your souls, you preach empathy but seem to have none.
Charlie Kirk was a Nazi in all but name and a horrible human who literally denounced empathy. IMO he deserves zero sympathy.
In your opinion, having opinions you don't like is literraly worse than murder. You are essentially saying it's justified to murder people you disagree with. Once again, Charlie would not have wanted you dead for disagreeing with him, he would have encouraged you to challenge him, as he always did.
You are putting words into my mouth. I did not say he deserved to die, you are being disingenuous. I said he deserved no sympathy. Over 18,000 Americans have been shot dead THIS YEAR alone. He is a victim of American gun culture. Many of those 18000 plus people are far more deserving of the 👇🏻
Ok fine, you didn't say he deserved to die, you said he deserves no sympathy, therefore implying that you could not care less if he got murdered. Still an utterly inhuman position so the distinction is not really significant.
Charlie was not a nazi as you characterised him as, he was just a guy with controverial opinions who was willing to come out and public and debate those opinions with ANYONE. I know how people like you think: people I don't like are nazis, nazis deserve death, therefore anyone I don't like can die.
You know fuk all.
I have sympathy for his family and kids, not him. You are full of hyperbole. It is not an ‘utterly inhuman’ position to take. CK’s rhetoric literally killed some trans people and his hate permeated virtually every vulnerable group in society. Think about the hills you choose to die on.
Rhetoric does not 'literally kill people', literally killing them does, like the guy who literally killed him did. God you are insufferable. Having opinions and saying them publicly is not killing trans people, and you say I'm the one full of hyperbole.
You underestimate the climate of hate he stirred up amongst young people which led to self-harm &suicide. He has blood on his hands as do many apologists for those who preach hate and ‘othering’ of vulnerable groups. I wouldn’t expect anyone with your closed mind to understand these things. Stick👇🏻
to your narcissism worship and off you trot back to Xitter to join your mates.
oxygen of publicity than that man. Here is a good example of one who received virtually no publicity at all …
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My sympathy is with the two children shot in the school at the same time as he was. He also said empathy was a ‘made up woke word’ . Shame on you.
Selective empathy is not empathy.
This person is a weirdo, hungry for attention. Block.
He celebrated violence against his political opponents. Turn about it fair play. Sorry about your feelings.
I refuse to pretend to be concerned about any Trump loyalist.
Show us video clips
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I believe that now Trump will use Kirk as a weapon against the left. It’s already happening.
Of all the shots in the throat I've watched on the internet, that was the sexiest.
Each murder is a terrible crime. But I never heard of #CharlieKirk and I couldn’t care less…
He reaped what he sowed.
live by the sword,...........
Exactly.
european-security.com/the-cesspool...
THANK YOU.
exactly.................... i wont make him out to be a good dude because he was shot..........or because he had kids.. i was married to an acholic who was violent to me but he was an awesome dad... everyday you can be both... guns are bad ...and charlie loved them
