If we fall for this (Labour's) blackmail again we will get Blue Labour Tory-like extremism forever. We have to start voting for what we want and it is for Labour to offer that. If it doesn't we really have to risk a Reform government to teach Starmer and his kind that the blackmail has to stop.
What do you want and where do you think the electoral majority for that is?
I want the change Starmer lied to us about. He needs to turn away from Blue Labour to significant change. The electoral majority is there for the taking. But he doesn't need to wait until 2029. He has a massive majority. He could use it now.
And you think a Regorm government gets you that...same logic led to people voting Trump not Harris and look how that's going Not sure if your serious, deluded or just really a Faragist but it's a bad comment
I’m not sure they even knew what change meant let alone anyone else!
Fuck the country up to show Starmer a lesson. Get in the bin.
Cry about it you pussy. Reform will win, and we will see to it that you are held to blame for being unelectable. Just like you did to us in 1983 and 2019. We'll cram this defeat down your throat for the next 40 years.
You are a full on racist twat who’s reported and spread around to warn others.
Labour are allowing Farage an easy run into no.10, and you're cheering them on as they do it! If you were bothered by racism you wouldn't be supporting a racist party that supports ethnic cleansing in Palestine.
No - I'm voting Green not Reform. I don't want to "show Starmer a lesson" I just do not want what he is offering. Blue Labour and Reform are bedfellows.
The Greens. Oh dear,have you heard their language recently? Openly revolting against ALL government ‘green’ policies. Hypocrites. They have the Reform bug and it’s taking hold.
Nonsense
Absolutely not. Open your ears.
I am deaf so that's a bit offensive
Stop taking things offensively,it’s a bad look.
Starmer could change direction at any point. it's on him
He will go the direction the country needs not what you want it go.
do you honestly think the current direction is what the country needs
Nope. It’s entirely on you Corbyn worshiping tankie twats.
Aren't you here to beg those "Corbyn worshipping tankie twats" to vote for you? Beg harder. Go on.
No. I’ll just blame you for enabling Farage. Same as the ‘Lexiters’ like Mick Lynch did in 2016.
Hahaha I guess beating Farage isn't that important for you anyway, I suppose since you already vote for a party that agrees with him on 90% on things it's not much of a stretch!
It won't be us that get the blame y'know. If Starmer and the Labour Right don't perform, the blame will be theirs (ie yours) and theirs alone. It's not the job of the left to bail out centrists when they fail.
Another deluded believer of Magic Grandpa. How’s that going for you. I’m not centrist, I’ve been centre left my entire life. Great believer in horseshoe theory, so you’re a fuck load closer to the Clacton Mussolini than I am. Far left and far right- two cheeks of the same intolerant arsehole.
If I'm so much closer to Farage than you are, how come you're supporting the "Stop the Boats, Send 'em Back" Labour Party whereas I'm laughing as they struggle to stay above 20% in the polls? You're the one backing the anti-immigrant, pro-genocide racist Labour Party, not me.
they call it horseshoe theory because you have to have been repeatedly kicked in the head by a horse to believe it on what planet do the far left and the far right agree? how the fuck can you say that, with even the slightest knowledge of politics
Another lefty reduced to personal abuse. Like shooting fish in a barrel this afternoon.
bsky.app/profile/gary... Is this you
What was it Labour said about us, "shaking off the fleas" was it? Sounds like you should start appealing to us if you want out votes Gaz
obviously absurd to blame anyone but Starmer for enabling farage. and you blame Mick Lynch for Brexit? you're an absolute mess
So you want to see Farage win rather then reach out to voters?
With advocates like this, stuck with their ideological purity and unable to compromise, no wonder Labour are looking at total annihilation at the next election! Thankfully, the left will be no part of it, not our parry any more and whatever happens now is 100% on the heads of the right-wingers
‘I want a Reform government as that will show Labour’. Jeez, have a word. We will all be the losers under Farage and Tice.
Good job I didn't say that. If Labour are too politically incompetent to beat a chancer ans grifter like Farage, then the people who support Labour should be honest enough to admit their failures rather than evade responsibility. That's what grows up do Gary, not make excuses.
When you do grow up and stop being so childish about these things you'll understand.
it's incumbent on labour to offer an alternative
Nah men like Gary hate foreigners too much to do that, that's why they're going all-in on Labour as Labour goes all-in on racism.
Labour said they didn’t want us Gaz
Exactly, we have 3 parties all chasing the right-wing, anti-immigrant Brexit voters in the marginals - Labour Tory and Reform. People like Gaz here should perhaps spend more effort winning around Reform voters by trying to outdo Farage in a xenophobia contest than wasting their energy on us!
I’m getting tired of saying this - nothing fills me with more dread than Farage in power and UK becoming the 51st state. But it’s on all of us to defeat that. Carping at Labour won’t achieve anything other than personal satisfaction.
So why aren't Labour able to appeal to enough people to beat him? Why hasn't Labour embrace of Hard Brexit and whipping up anti-immigrant hatred been a success at the polls?
Not my party any more so I've got no dog in this hunt, please, I'm curious as an outsider what mental gymnastics Labour apologists make for their dismal performance so far.
so why aren't you furious at Labour for doing so badly? one year on from the largest majority in history!
Us? Sorry mate, you’re offering people like me nothing so what are you going to do about it? Carping at us won’t achieve anything but personal satisfaction
please explain how? please explain your understanding of the word "tankie"
Your user name implies that the PM, a long standing human rights lawyer, is somehow a nazi. It doesn’t make you big, it doesn’t make you clever. All it does is exposes you for being, how shall I put this, a bit of a cunt.
My point to a few people as well. He wouldnt have been allowed to serve successfully as a human rights lawyer if all the BS that’s going around was true. These people,again,are idiots. Simpletons who have no clue.
whatever he did as a "human rights lawyer" is clearly a long time ago, and his actions and words since then show a man who has at best an extremely flexible idea of "human rights"
Duh course it was a while ago that’s what happens in life when you change direction. Jeezo. You’re wrong and muted. No time for you.
well, he's certainly "changed direction"
you didn't answer either of my questions "human rights lawyer" once, maybe. but any idea that he represents the protection of human rights is surely long gone
Cause you’re not worth answering too. Easy.
With regards the first question, the biggest danger to the future of this country is Farage in Number 10. With the out dated election system we have then I believe we should vote for whoever is best place to defeat Deform, regardless of colour of party you support. He must never gain power.
He's not a Nazi, but he's doing more than anyone else to midwife a Reform government. And I've had loads of abuse from Labour supporters when I've said I was a Labour supporter and voter since I was first old enough to vote under Blair, and I feel they've abandoned me as a disabled unpaid carer.
what has that got to do with Corbyn? and why do you think I'm a tankie? do you even know what it means
and then obviously the biggest driver to Farage becoming PM is how terribly shit the government are
what will you be ‘risking’ pal?
Nothing.. he appears to be in Malaga and his bio says ex Lab .. so he’s already decided anything Labour does won’t be good enough .. he likes the blue Labour insult and thinks it’s a fact not an opinion .. empty !
You are not my pal
What are you risking then? what’s your stake? You’re keen to put millions of others under threat, so what’s your stake?
I want Labour to represent their supporters and deliver fundamental change (as promised). If Blue Labour get elected (knowingly next time) it will never happen. I don't want Reform and understand the dangers.
But really beating Reform is what Starmer should be doing. Instead all they offer (and all you offer) is blackmail. There really has to be a time when we vote for the significant change we want (not surrender to mediocrity, status quo, and authoritarian blackmail).
answer the question
He cant hes a useful idiot to the far right.