One of the most important hallmarks of fascist politics is that under no circumstances are they the active party
One of the most important hallmarks of fascist politics is that under no circumstances are they the active party
What is the real difference between SCOTUS "backing down" and Trump declaring the US a dictatorship?
If I’m not mistaken, the last President to suspend habeas corpus was Lincoln during the Civil War. Looks like we may be heading for that.
I was KINDA hoping we'd start with the war, then go to the trampling of the rights.
And if they blame the Supremes, then they can get rid of the court. Dear gods
Just like every other abusive relationship… don’t make me hit you again.
Why would the Convicted Felon in the Whitehouse bother to suspend the Constitution if he's just going to violate it at will?
If Trump really does suspend any part of the Constitution on false pretenses (there is not now a rebellion, nor invasion by army of an enemy state), then Americans will be living under a tyranny justifying any means necessary to secure liberty.
This part.
"Biden invasion"?
They obviously weren't paying attention in junior high Social Studies class.
If you haven't seen that it's been Trump's plan from day one to suspend the Constitution, you haven't been paying attention. It's obvious in everything he does, and what his mob does. He's not trying to hide it.
By the way, last time I posted something like this I got a lot of pushback from Americans. I blocked every single one. If they don't recognize their own failure to fix a basic problem like Trump, I'm not interested in hearing or reading from them again .
That included Skeeters with large followings. There seems to be a failure to recognize the obvious amongst Americans right now. Scary.
Sorry that happened. I'm with you, and a bunch of my fellow Americans had better wake up to this fact sooner rather than later. There are some who still think we're in no danger whatsoever; that the courts which shut it all down.
That's the denial There are a lot of Americans who claim to believe in & want to defend democracy who refuse to do any inner work grappling with their own reluctance to release white supremacy, which is the core principle driving this iteration of fascism
Agreed.
"You made me do it", dictator version.
And here many people thought the circa-4/20 martial law proclamation was going to be a false flag violence reaction.
And then Americans will be forced to start executing members of a dictatorial regime?
The “Biden Invasion” being a better economy and better handling of Covid making more people want to live her
"If we don't suspend the Constitution, he will" is a dumb argument, even for Fitton.
SCOTUS’ reasoning should not be something “backed down” from
Who are these traitors?
They’re using a lot of words to say “Stop hitting yourself!” while punching us with our own hand.
We were warned. "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." David Frum - 2018
They had already started with REDMAP in 2010 after Obama won and they realized demographic trends were not in their favor
past presidents just didn’t know you could ignore SCOTUS rulings—that apparently if you don’t like one ruling, you have NO CHOICE but to become a dictator. To move on the country like a b****. To grab it by the p****. You can do anything… Acc to “conservative” influencers
There are some possibilities there. The least likely prediction - declaration of dictatorship.
The guys are always begging for a heavier boot for their neck.
I heard a similar take on NPR, even — that SCOTUS is being v restrained, ambiguous in rulings so as not to provoke a constitutional crisis. That seems…flawed.
Abusers, narcissists, and sociopaths think this way because they can’t take “no” for an answer.
Everybody in the country who’s recovered from a narcissistically abusive relationship has been unwittingly crafted into a top notch resistance fighter. There is no bullshit we can’t see through, or will tolerate.
💯
Fascism being a strategy of minority control through intimidation. In every way. bsky.app/profile/arie...
Sir Habeas can only be suspended with Congress approval
If they suspend the U.S. constitution Trump is no longer president
Then the US Military can immediately take over until new elections can be arranged.... After Trump and his administration has been sent to a brutal foreign gulag, of course.
You do realize that the military as an institution is pretty conservative, and Project 2025 arranged for leadership to be purged and replaced with open fascists, right? Military dictatorship is what Trump wants.
Sir you do not want a military dictatorship
We just need them as a bridge from where we are now to return to a functioning democracy.
When people pressure Trump and the media does it job Trump backs down (tarrifs Harvard scotus etc.) we need to keep maximum pressure
Grok did king John's suspension of habeas corpus give him a good reputation
Obviously didn’t grok the reaction to tariffs, either…
"The only way to save democracy is to kill democracy, dammit!"
The Zillow detective knows illegal.
Cue economic disaster…
Typical abuser behavior. “You made me hit you!”
Back home we called this The Full Ike Turner. "Look what you made me do."
That Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch is talking about that is further proof that the consistency on their side has always been to say and do whatever serves their ambition
I figure there is some reform needed, but deciding that Amendments IV-VIII are ignorable is not acceptable in any way
Honestly it would be pretty funny if trump destroys the last vestiges of the Constitution all because the guy who gave him immunity from all laws tried to reign him in as meekly as possible.
Ah yes, a bloodless revolution "...if the Left allows it to be," per Kevin Roberts.
We won't
Sounds dangerously like sedition
The probleem is that there needs to be proof of "rebellion or invasion", because without proof anyone can be taken of the streets. And that's exactly what's happening right now. Fitton thinks that's OK to claim "rebellion or invasion" withou any proof of it, so they can do whatever.
Wow, is this where we are now?
Fuck conservative influencers. They’re irrelevant grifters.
I wish they were irrelevant but Trump has been taking advice from Laura Loomer. One of these shits may end up starting the second civil war cause they bent Trumps ear.
Tom Fritton, who is NOT a lawyer, has expressed a lot of legal opinions over the past few years. All of them have been wrong and no judge has accepted any of them.
So. It's their fault when he goes and does the thing they say not to do, because they say not to do it? ...and they expect me to believe humans have the power of reason
Hey, no one said it was evenly distributed...
It seems stupefyingly absurd, but (late, dark night of the soul) it crossed my mind that defying SCOTUS and declaring its authority null and void would be the regime's next (or after-next) step. (I certainly hope my paranoid thoughts are as ridiculous as they seem now, typed out.)
Of course Fitton doesn't know how suspension of habeas works.
(he should be calling on Congress to suspend it)
I mean, he shouldn't be calling on anyone to suspend it, but if he wants it suspended that's a power of Congress, not the president.
This Congress?
I mean, enacting tariffs is also a power of Congress and not the president..... :(
Seems like they think POTUS can suspend Habeas Corpus, even though they are quoting from Article 1 (Congress). This is not great.
The Biden Invasion (TM) is the modern last refuge of a scoundrel.
It's like what I once read from an Israeli citizen: "we cannot allow Palestinians to become a majority in Israel, because then we would have to dismantle the democracy to maintain Jewish nature of Israel".
“The Biden invasion” is totally fabricated. And they are suggesting we suspend the constitution for it? Eff that
Screw them all.
"Nice Writ of Habeas Corpus you've got here. It would be a shame if something happened to it."
The president can suspend habeas corpus with approval by Congress. They left that part out.
As always
“Look what you made me do “🥴
They all talk like rapists and abusers. They are all reposts and abusers.
This is DARVO, straight out of the Rapist's Playbook
Oh they should do it. Over this fucking case, where the public is clearly against them.
That's when the United States military, sworn to uphold the Constitution and defend the nation against all enemies foreign and domestic, will arrest the motherfucker, try him for treason, and imprison him.
And of course the exemption clause for habeas is what Lincoln cited in Ex Parte Merryman, an at least reasonable argument that Confederate-friendly conservatives spent well over a century furiously denouncing as obvious tyranny.
These guys are going to hate the "find out" stage. The Supreme Court is middlingly saving them from themselves and they don't even get it.
The reaction to an adverse court decision requiring the suspension of the constitution seems an entirely rational response 🤷♂️
Whose fault? Do these people have any idea how idiotic that sounds?
The courts are the last standing
Tom Fitton should stay outa peoples sock drawers
Abuser logic. Look what you made me do!
All day.
Tim Fittin isn’t a lawyer. He’s just a jerkoff
Fom Tittin
Oh, who could have foreseen Tom Fitton implicating himself in another act of sedition. Anyone, anyone could have foreseen that. It's the most obvious thing since the sunrise.
That assinine take of the Trumpers ignores the intelligence assesment just released that literally confirms Venezuela is NOT invading the U.S. www.washingtonpost.com/national-sec...
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They are appealing to DonTheCon’s violence fetish. This is insane intimidation.
The absolute idiocy of it is Trump deciding to do an absolitely shitty job of it and sending 80% into gulag with zero criminal record forces him to not back down on this issue, at risk of getti g impeached. . Trump's underperformance & over-ambition is 100% causing this issue.
It really is "they are making us" and "stop hitting yourself" bullshit. Say it with your chest, you cowardly shits. I have total contempt for this baby shit.
[packs “go” bag]
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Yea, force their fuckin hand 😏—they did this.
Real abuser logic there
All of Trump's authority comes from the Constitution. Suspending the Constitution is tantamount to resigning.
@gtconway.bsky.social @joycewhitevance.bsky.social Can he do that? Please tell me he can’t do that ☹️
He would be attacking the only reason for anyone to obey him
Ah, the old abuser line: “Look what you made me do!” Classy. 🙄🤮
Yes this is definitely a real option that exists, in Article 69 of the Secret White Constitution
Sad thing is I don't think the GOP controlled House or Senate would do anything about it.... Until the Markets dropped by over 50% that is.
Here's another example from today. This is becoming a thing.
The election in November told us we’d end up here.
lol i had no idea who that was but i have argued with him on twitter before
And another. These are all big names in the conservative commentator-influencer space.
Give Trump unlimited powers or have a dictatorship? The two options sound like the same thing.
This MAGA logic is hilarious... "Trying to terminate the Constitution by canceling the Supreme Court altogether, and giving Trump unlimited power to prevent having a dictator." 🙄 I realized a while back that they're pseudo-intellectuals, I didn't know they're flat out dumb like this.
Translation: Up is down and down is up
War Is Peace Freedom Is Slavery Ignorance is Strength Tariffs are Tax Breaks.
You got it
You know what, I hate to say it but that doesn’t seem great. Still basically the moment they tried to usurp the power of the purse this outcome was set in motion. They at best tolerate constraints, never accept them.
Keith Rabois and Peter Thiel: "Rabois came to Thiel's attention after he was found outside an instructor's home, shouting homophobic slurs and the suggestion that the instructor "die of AIDS." A few went on to join PayPal, a company Thiel co-founded in 1998." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_R...
Pictured: Pete Thiel scanning for immigrants to deport before having his daily breakfast of twink blood.
Jesse Kelly has a massively punchable face.
But there's no emergency Trump's own nic people just confirmed that
Ok. But seems easy to counter with historical examples of ginned up moral panic that turned out badly Also simply show how trump is making up a crisis to follow bukeles playbook to consolidate power Also a Democrat should present a legal way to address undocumented immigration
How about providing a sensible means of legal immigration? Haven't had one in my lifetime to date. We should try that. Fuck Trump. Fuck those rage baiters too.
More. The Paypal Mafia are pushing Trump to ignore the law and just fully govern as a dictator.
I both love and loathe the notion of a “PayPal mafia.” I love the appellation and I loathe the people it describes and how much evil they bring to the table.
"The Boys from Brazil" seems more apt
So who's giving them the instructions? Stephen Miller again?
We need a camera on Roberts 24/7 ASAP. If I miss out on the expression on his face when Trump fires him I'm going to be so disappointed
Sean received a BBA in finance from Texas Tech University and an MBA in finance and entrepreneurial management. Apparently, they do not teach constitutional law or US history in either of those programs.
FFS
Aren’t most of the Justices Federalists?
How is the Dupreme Vourt ignoring the law? It's trump who's ignoring the law.
It’s Trump who is defying the Constitution. He cannot be allowed to keep depriving people of their due process. All of these traitors need to go.
If it’s a choice between that and SCOTUS backing down, the former is preferable.
DARVO
As much as it sucks that this is where we're heading, I'd way rather we get to the face-off now than let this fester another year. They've made absurd progress in installing themselves already; appeasing them for now will just mean they're more deeply embedded when the confrontation happens.
It's incredibly funny to hear from this useless piece of shit who only sabotaged any actual opposition in Russia and spent his years from the 90s spreading weird conspiracies and getting NED cash
Tankies can get in the sea. Fuck off.
Oh no, an American lib has called me a word he learned recently because I despise a useless Russian liberal who promotes conspiracies, applauded Yeltsin and was one of the snakes who sabotaged the protest movement in 2012-13
Learned recently? lmfao, I've been yelling at tankies since before you were born, son.
You're an American liberal, I'm pretty sure you knew nothing about a specific term for communist infighting that was basically unknown to the wider public since its start in 56'. But go off I guess, scary tankies in your walls
You literally know nothing about me, clearly not even where I'm from. Stupid tankie, lmfao.
You don't have to be a tankie (I despise them) to agree that, yes, Kasparov approved of Fomenko's "New Chronology" pseudo-history, which literally claims that Russia invented all of civilisation and Jesus was a Byzantine emperor
Tankies can still get in the sea.
And f**ing Alito has given them a fig leaf rationale.
So a lot of "it's all your fault that I'm going to have to keep beating you until you acquiesce and do what I want you to do" vibes there.
Abuser logic
He may well. But coups tend to fail and Trump is a pussy. If there's push back. He'll cave.
This reminds me of pastor who talked with member of congregation about Christian values. The congregant said those are old-fashioned ideas, it's not the way the world works today. So basically this movement is giving up All history & traditions to believe instead in anger, hate and retribution. Wow!
I love how they quote a segment of the constitution that is defining the powers of Congress as justification of the President being afforded those powers. The thisng they advocate for is iterally against the constitution as per the part they're quoting. Complete frauds. They can get fucked.
We all know Trump planned before he was even elected to do this. He’s absolutely gunning for the Constitution. He’d love nothing more than to declare Martial Law and suspend elections to preserve the GOP majority
Conservative influencers aka traitors
Tom Fitton has a bachelor's degree in English and doesn't know how to buy a shirt that fits. Not someone to be giving legal advise.
So, let him do what he wants, or he will do what he wants?
Reminder that Tom Fitton is neither a lawyer nor an owner of shirts that fit him
Just your daily reminder that Tom Fitton, Head of Judicial Watch, is NOT A LAWYER.
Holy hell, they're new propaganda line is Democracy is dictatorship
Suspension of the writ of habeas corpus is in Art I not Art II. What makes him think it’s up to Trump rather than Congress?
You say that as if he would even know the difference.
I say that because it's obvious Tom Fitton doesn't know the difference.
They're panicking. They're losing their core support and seeing conservative stalwarts abandon their Dear Leader
Oh FFS 🤦🏽♀️ That line is catching on among idiots, I mean conservative thinkers, is what they always do. None of them think for themselves and never well.
They have the courts and thought they could actually rewrite the constitution and law and when they can’t they continue to make up shit
More wife beater vibes from the Trump administration then
So they're whining again.
Not so much again, but some more. They are ALWAYS whining.
"There'll be so much whining that people will get tired of whining!" I dunno about anyone else, but I've been tired of it for a long time.
invasion. enemies. What's that word again? ABJECTIFICATION.
This has been the plan all along. It is how he will not leave office in Janury 2029
If he is not dead by then
These people declare themselves the biggest patriots in the country, the only true patriots. They alone love America, unlike those damn Dems and liberals. Yet they hate literally every American principle and ideal. Pathetic.
We all knew if forced to choose between Trump or the constitution, they were always gonna pick Trump. They would’ve done the same for Reagan or Dubya or Nixon too
They’re choosing Trump over Jesus of Nazareth, for Chrissakes.
"If you don't let him rule like a king he's going to force you to" isn't the gotcha they think it is
You're missing Keith Rabois's intellectual rigor! "Rabois came to Thiel's attention after he was found outside an instructor's home, shouting homophobic slurs and the suggestion that the instructor "die of AIDS." A few of the contributors went on to join PayPal, a company Thiel co-founded in 1998."
The last thing these nerds are going to like is if this actually gets violent.
They contract that out
Grok, are there any historical examples of conntracting out the state's monopoly on the legitimate use of coercive violence ending badly?
They certainly will try but the last thing I want if I’m fighting a war is people motivated mainly or entirely by money
Cersei Lannister vibes
I fear that a majority of people who would rise up against Democracy would do it for free.
As long as they're sticking it to the libs, that's all the payment they need
They can stick it to the libs all the way to hell, as far as I'm concerned.
I think they’re fucking cowards and I’m mad enough these days to join up against anyone who tries.
A lot of people on the right literally want to kill us. This is a magat I know posting crap like this:
Where does this person live?
Colorado
They're loud. They exist. And I will gladly kill as many as I have to if they keep fucking around -- yes, even if that means I die. I'm not living under a fascist. That should start being everyone's attitude.
Like, they think they're scary? Get ready for people like me whose kindness they've mistaken for weakness. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
They should hope and pray it doesn't come to violence. I certainly do but I'm not about to roll over in the event that they start a war.
This is my motto as well. They think they know me. They do not.
Then squabble up if they're stupid enough to try you. These idiots are the least intimidating people on the planet, so you have your 2nd Amendment rights too should that point in time come 💁
My family history is anti-Nazi on my mother's side. I'm ready for them if they want to try me.
Bruh I'm telling you, LMAO Guys like this are the VAST majority of any fascist twerp during any period; a bunch of fucking dorks who want to peacock around like they're oh so kewl and badass, but in reality are little brats that need to be shoved back into their lockers.
There is no mechanism for suspending the Constitution. Unlike in many countries, there is no martial law. People can write whatever they want and Trump can issue whatever garbage EO he wants. It’s like declaring he’s going to flap his arms and fly to the moon.
FFS
it rules so much that they all talk about the powers that Article II of the Constitution gives the president, until they see a power they want to have and it’s actually in Article I
The SC really needs to put an end to this invasion nonsense.
To be fair, these guys look like they’d fair well in a civil war.
The BIDEN invasion? Wow. They aren’t even any good at making things up out of whole cloth.
Apparently Biden let in every undocumented person in *one* day. Very efficient of him, I guess.
But their violent followers believe it and they're not the types to do any research to figure out that the facts are different from the lies they've been told especially when they want to believe the lies
The degree of overreach from the GOP right now is remarkable. They can't even be satisfied with a 6-3 Court that's heavily stacked in their favor unless it gives Trump absolute deference 100% of the time.
"NUH UH!!! YOU DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!!" as a political party
a key aspect of Trumpism is oppositional defiance
That's also a key part of my personality #resist
This. All day and all night.
Wilhoit's Law: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
it's wild that quote is from a message board in like 2018, because it sounds like something someone would have declaimed at Disraeli in a debate in the House of Commons
Yeah. And one of my favorite real world ironies is that the Wilhoit in question is the composer, not the political scientist.
Hubris is a helluva drug.
This is called hubris and great myths are told about it. book bans weren’t even a thing when these pukes were in school so they really don’t have an excuse for not seeing themselves in this condition. Hubris is when you do “Roman salutes” but don’t know who Petulantia is.
Eric Cartman
So let Trump be a dictator or we’ll let Trump be a dictator?
‘Look what you made me do’, the cry of bullies and abusers. Because they’re simultaneously cowards, of course they need a crowd to show up for them.
By law, the US Marshals are required to arrest the persons not following the ruling of the SCOTUS. Even if Trump declares Martial law, the Marshals can arrest Trump. its not SCOTUS's fault, its the MAGA, GOP, and Congress for not Convicting Trump. You don't need approval from DOJ to do it, its law.
The US Marshals Service is an executive agency of the DOJ that reports to the Attorney General.
Oh, the Supreme Court can issue the warrants for the US Marshals to enforce the law.
You're ignoring that the US Marshals do not need permission to enforce laws.
If scotus does back down then the constitution is basically moot anyhow