Madison never said this, just like Abe Lincoln never said the quote about the internet.

So true, because no matter what mystery one’s eternal life journey path leads us, if we do it peacefully, governments must respect.

Man kind was warlike way before there was a church, people just don't like to admit it, when people are desperate we are animals end of day and animals fight.

Now Europe does have it, and some people are trying to get rid of if here.

Turns out that the ceaseless strife he was referring to was “something to consider other than pure capital accumulation”

This soil is soaked in the blood of indigenous and enslaved peoples. We humans can never get away from the worst of our tendencies it seems.

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Stop shoving your religion up our ass.

White, Christian western-Europe was a barbaric racket, an evil cartel-like union of churches and states. That's why my people fled, risking everything to escape it. Read chapter 8 of Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee.

Who thought it was a good idea to give this a second try … and expect a different result ?

Exactly!!

"history teaches us that we do not learn from history" Friedrich Hegel 1830

People of faith will always find a way to spill blood.

True then, true now

But the Constitution forbade only the federal government to establish a religion. Massachusetts was the last state to disestablish in 1833.

It was incorporated to apply to the states by the 14th amendment.

Yes. The 14th Amendment created a new USA.

Food for thought. I hope this is seen by those religious zealots who argue that the Constitution doesn't say church and state must be kept separate.

Ya but in god we trust and one nation under god so they didn’t do such a great good job lol

"They" did a great job. Those caveman mottos weren't forced into the vernacular until much more recently.

It was the cold war, if I recall correctly. Something something, "commies are all godless heathens" something something "need to put ties to religion on our money to weed out the spies" something something. It's prolly more complicated than that, but I'm a tech nerd, not a history nerd. 🤷‍♂️

Just like last time - get ready for some really thoroughly blood-soaked American soil coming soon - as once again decent Americans are going to have to fight the ruthless, cruel, power-hungry, selfish & soulless segment of our society for control of the destiny of America. Hope goodness wins again.

A bloody history most Americans don't know about

The Founders knew about history and understood cause & effect relationships. NO theocracy in America.

If religion has taught us one single useful thing, it's that the very first second you let a religion control the state, first up is they start lining up people to kill.

People never listen even when it is written right in front of them and that is just sad 😔

And America took all Christian fanatics too radical for Europe, they haven't evolved mentally in 250 years and now we pay the price.

Well, evolution is a spectrum and we need sturdy breeding stock to maintain the species...your frustration stems from some poor husbandry, methinks, and leaving them vulnerable to rousers and brigands...

I say if the leadership of religious organizations want a say or influence in the laws of the state, then by golly they need to pay the tab (taxes) like everyone else. That would be setting a good example. Like keeping their nose in their books and out of my life.

Religion is all FAKE

Knowing history is revealing and liberating.

And what's your point? Moronic evangelicals are single mindedly focused on stupidities since they fully endorsed a criminal, pedophile etc. Most if not all GOP led states are uniting christian religion with political backing / support. No God will help us...

In the United States we have replaced traditional religion with the false religions of capitalism, fascism, and racism.

How's that working out Jimmy?

EXACTLY RIGHT! Respect separation of church and state

+ business and state + pedophilia and state

That is actually a paraphrase of what was said, but still exactly on target.

The blood returns

That is considered history. The book has probably been banned, and it would take critical thinking to understand the lesson. Too woke and the use of the word "critical" might get you indicted or deported...

Then stop saying, "That's very Christian of you," when it comes to policies.

It's probably said sarcastically to call out the hypocrisy 9 times out of 10, my guy.

"So we will go to the Americas, and destroy all the people that live there, and soak their soil with their blood, and still not end up separating church from state." The only thing that remains is the blood soaking in the soil. Maybe they brought some other shitty ideas, as well as the god crap.