Derrik put Lamar in his 2nd tier (out of 5) and consistently praises him for being one of the best pocket passers in the league. He put Mahomes in his 3rd tier because he's become the greatest game manager of all time. What you think he said bears no resemblance to what he actually said.

Ok now I’m offended. He’s better than a game manager. I know the ADOT stats…..

Lol, it's more that Mahomes knows he doesn't have to be Superman on every play and can pick his spots.

Agreed, good defense and all. I think he wants more depth but the short passing is a Reid feature too

the ironic thing about this whole conversation is that Derrik is very clear that honorable != good; going YOLO and throwing into tight windows downfield every play while taking shots to the ribs does not automatically lead to winning football but hey, everyone has to get their takes in

Again, you appear to be reading more into my posts than is there. I never mentioned what I "think he said". I assume you are referring to Klassen. I'm not really going to try to unpack the whole 45 minute podcast, nor am I trying to say anything directly about Klassen.

You came up with your own definition of dishonorable then made a statement about Derrik using it in the same way. He did no such thing.

You are acting like a jerk. I never made a statement about Derrick at all, let alone about how he used the word. Read my posts again!

Who is the someone that's creating that description?

OK, indirectly it is Derrick. But all I saw directly and interpreted was the original post by the atheletic. I don't know how much of that is due to the social media editors versus Derrick, and I never mentioned him.

This overall conversation really needs an update on the state of discourse around modern QBs. It has genuinely improved for the better and there is a much better appreciation of different skills. 3 of the last 7 MVPs are black and the last 3 are Allen, Jackson, and Mahomes.

People are getting upset at characterizations that those involved in the game have largely moved past. If you read or listen to any content from the Athletic it'll be very obvious that they include Jackson and Mahomes in the top tier of QBs alongside Allen and Burrows.

Yes, I can see how the original post could be considered inflammatory but as I've said elsewhere, we all have the option of not responding to something we have no intention of engaging with.

Thank you for the polite tone, no need for me to rehash anything you've said, and you've made some good points. I'll only add two things: (1) my original comment was in reply to someone posing a question and I think my answer was reasonable in that context, (2) you're point about ...