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Kevin Riggle @kevinriggle.bsky.social

"High-efficiency solar cells produced from earth-abundant materials are an exception and have the potential to provide many tens of terawatts on a few percent of the Earth’s surface." ...

sep 2, 2025, 1:35 am • 1 0

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Kevin Riggle @kevinriggle.bsky.social

& "The ethical and pragmatic path toward a just and sustainable global energy economy requires that human beings transition as rapidly as possible to energy sources that are cheap, clean, dense, and abundant."

sep 2, 2025, 1:35 am • 1 0 • view
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Jordan Carlson @jordantcarlson.bsky.social

That paragraph is immediately after one talking about how the only solution capable of doing that is nuclear fission.

sep 2, 2025, 1:39 am • 0 0 • view
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Kevin Riggle @kevinriggle.bsky.social

Is fission a big part of the Klein & Thompson argument?

sep 2, 2025, 1:41 am • 0 0 • view
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Jordan Carlson @jordantcarlson.bsky.social

Not as big as it was in this 10 years ago, but again, my point is that there is a legacy to their ideas and arguments. That ideas evolve with time is normal, but the framing and positioning matters.

sep 2, 2025, 1:45 am • 1 0 • view
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Kevin Riggle @kevinriggle.bsky.social

Oh sure, it wasn't going to be /sui generis/. I guess the hyperlocal context to my very original comment is that some friends on here and I have been having a discussion about how useful the 'abundance' framing is to left-wing/progressive causes and I've been on the skeptical side.

sep 2, 2025, 1:47 am • 1 0 • view
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Kevin Riggle @kevinriggle.bsky.social

And tl;dr I guess I was more right to be skeptical than I knew.

sep 2, 2025, 1:48 am • 2 0 • view
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Kevin Riggle @kevinriggle.bsky.social

Although having said that, even the eco-modernists seem like they would likely be frustrated by the Tesla statement, given how much it seems to be giving lip-service to their words while slow-walking any promise of implementation (not usually a Tesla hallmark!)

sep 2, 2025, 1:50 am • 2 0 • view
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Jordan Carlson @jordantcarlson.bsky.social

Quite possibly, yes. Though as that last Nordhaus link shows, they also seem preoccupied with identifying their opponents over pursuing their stated goals, sometimes. (That's the text of a conference keynote, mind you.)

sep 2, 2025, 1:54 am • 1 0 • view
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Kevin Riggle @kevinriggle.bsky.social

The ecomodernists look clearly part of the same intellectual milieu as Klein & Thompson, but, well, there's a lot of people who are part of that milieu, myself as a very junior member but nevertheless included.

sep 2, 2025, 1:37 am • 1 0 • view
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Jordan Carlson @jordantcarlson.bsky.social

They have a lot of reasonable ideas but the way they talk about them - and about those who disagree with them (not a problem unique to them, granted!) - gives space for cooptation and extremism.

sep 2, 2025, 1:41 am • 3 0 • view