Post by Jake Anbinder / Redsky

It is very much not ‘how we got here’

aug 27, 2025, 3:33 pm • 1 0 • view

I don't think it's some sort of talismanic path to understanding why the world sucks but it is a good path to understanding why the New York Times sucks

aug 27, 2025, 4:31 pm • 8 0 • view

That’s fine! I’m not asking people to like the New York Times. I am asking them to appropriately gauge its influence.

aug 27, 2025, 4:31 pm • 0 0 • view

I do think a lot of beltway Democratic lawmakers and their staffs treat it as an objective paper of record still, which is where we run into issues.

aug 27, 2025, 4:34 pm • 3 0 • view

it is the center left paper of record that consistently goes out of its way to undermine Center left positions and candidates in the name of balance towards parties that think it's a communist rag.

aug 27, 2025, 4:55 pm • 0 0 • view

if it is so uninfluential among those on the right, why does it cater to the center right's perception of it so often?

aug 27, 2025, 4:55 pm • 0 0 • view

It is but if that helps more people to turn on the NYT then I’m fine with it.

aug 27, 2025, 3:48 pm • 1 0 • view

truthout.org/articles/lea...

aug 27, 2025, 3:58 pm • 2 0 • view

"People who read the New York Times vote Dem" remains tired but true

aug 27, 2025, 3:40 pm • 0 0 • view

"If the Times had run this story on A1 above the fold, instead of A3 below the fold, Kamala would've won Pennsylvania!"

aug 27, 2025, 3:33 pm • 13 1 • view

This is also all downstream from the evisceration of local media. Can you imagine a garden-variety Democrat in, say, Des Moines, caring at all about the nuances of NYT coverage in 1988?

aug 27, 2025, 4:22 pm • 0 0 • view

It's probably not the biggest problem in the world, but I am persuaded that they are systematically understating the seriousness of Trump's attacks on the rule of law and both-sides-ing things to an absurd level, and I am also persuaded that mainstream US media is generally terrible and biased.

aug 27, 2025, 3:38 pm • 16 1 • view

I agree but I don't think it's particular to Trump. It's a structural issue that arises any time a daily newspaper tries to cover a slow-moving tragedy.

aug 27, 2025, 3:40 pm • 4 0 • view

The NY Times was very good at banging on Hillary's emails and Joe Biden's old-ness. There is something weird going on there.

aug 27, 2025, 3:41 pm • 19 1 • view

well wrt the latter it turns out in hindsight to have been justified IMO

aug 27, 2025, 3:43 pm • 1 0 • view

Also, William Henry Harrison was born in a log cabin and drinks hard cider

aug 27, 2025, 3:49 pm • 0 0 • view

They're not doing it with Trump, who is clearly infirm and regularly blathering absolute nonsense.

aug 27, 2025, 3:44 pm • 17 1 • view

I'm not excusing the Times but clearly there is a relationship there with the president's degree of availability to the media

aug 27, 2025, 3:47 pm • 1 0 • view

Biden's mistake was he did no press and thus became a tabula rasa for journalists' speculations about his condition, which is evidently worse than saying crazy shit straight to journalists

aug 27, 2025, 3:48 pm • 4 0 • view

So you can be demented and delusional and a threat to mankind but if you give interviews you get soft-pedaled coverage and that’s actually Joe bidens’s fault? The times will be glad to have you on staff.

aug 27, 2025, 4:36 pm • 1 0 • view

I'm not sure that reflects well on the Times? You seem to be saying that in once case (Biden) they were basically making up the news, and in another case (Trump) they are not reporting the news? And, yes, that's what I believe they are doing, and it is (1) journalistic malpractice, and (2) biased.

aug 27, 2025, 3:54 pm • 9 1 • view

In hindsight I don't think they were making up very much about Biden!

aug 27, 2025, 3:55 pm • 2 0 • view

I have to agree, and disagree with Jake. Like, I thought too many were too invested in weird things about the NYT before this (call it Times Derangement Syndrome, IDK). But since the election... I've been shocked at their dereliction of discussing what's going on with the gravitas it deserves.

aug 27, 2025, 6:05 pm • 5 0 • view

I don't care about the editorial page. It's its own thing. But the coverage decisions, what's covered, what's not, with what intensity, have become bizarre in a way that isn't explicable to me. And I don't think this is normal left-right thing, cf Bill Kristol.

aug 27, 2025, 6:05 pm • 5 0 • view

The question of how much it matters is another issue, one I think you're right on, Jake (although I do think Schumer and Jeferries listen more to the NYT, but that's a deep level thing). But to lose sane coverage at this moment is... distressing.

aug 27, 2025, 6:06 pm • 2 0 • view

They routinely publish transphobes doing transphobia. They didn’t have to. The Washington Post does an order of magnitude less of it even now. We notice.

aug 27, 2025, 3:41 pm • 7 0 • view

Bouie is and remains the best though.

aug 27, 2025, 3:41 pm • 3 0 • view

And they set the tone for a lot of other media even if the yokels don't read it themselves

aug 27, 2025, 3:43 pm • 0 0 • view

At this point I just want Trump to march on the times they deserve it. I am Holden blood feast just for him leading NG guys into the times and arresting the Slusbringers

aug 27, 2025, 3:42 pm • 2 0 • view

People grasping at anything to explain the "why" of things. Deep seated concern of the unknown is manifesting into the likes of Norseman saying Thor created thunder and lightning. People trying to convince themselves something unique had to cause this and not just apathy, ignorance, and stupidity.

aug 27, 2025, 3:39 pm • 1 0 • view

Sure, but I do think think letting Chris Rufo act as their de facto assignment editor has had absolutely negative real world outcomes. We can see what choices they make on what to make a big deal and what not to. It’s intentional.

aug 27, 2025, 4:56 pm • 0 0 • view

Unfortunately the NYT has not been a trustworthy source since at least the WMD debacle...

aug 27, 2025, 4:14 pm • 2 0 • view

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