No. We’re not waiting for cis people to debate our rights.

@smazak.bsky.social another one

Done

Nope, not waiting on anyone debating my rights.

Not really sure that conference, whenever it happens, is going to be quite as well attended as it could have been.

The Greens were still trying to sort out their trans policy issues as recently as April this year & had to issue a statement about Adrian Ramsay. Before that there was the GPW/Shahrar Ali/Pallavi Devulapalli thing. If they can sort it out, so can the new party.

who's in charge in this new party? who is the leader? what party policies have they got? Would be nice for the party to get off the ground before everyone spits their dummies out

Yep.

Don’t need to wait for conference, when you can already see the direction of travel. YP is cooked. Anyone who signed up to it in the hope that it would be truly a progressive, left wing party, are not going to entertain it. Especially since the Greens have just voted for a leader that fits the bill.

The greens aren't socialists, I am. At the last election I voted green for the same reason I voted Lab before Corbyn was leader - they were the least worst. I'd have voted for Galloway's workers party but it was full of transphobes. I'll wait & see what the YP policies are before writing them off.

The fact that Corbyn and Sultana are sharing platforms or welcoming openly transphobic members, says everything. At best, they will pass some lukewarm, noncommittal policy about trans people, but will never promote it to the public out of fear. We know this, because we’ve seen it so many times.

The Greens have had major issues with anti-trans members in the recent past. I can't see the issue going away in either party as it crosses the left/right spectrum. I was at a protest back in June where Corbyn & Polanski shared a platform & were pretty much in sync, which I'm hopeful about.

I’m not a Green Party member, but they have made inroads in purging the party of transphobes. Plus. Zack openly campaigned about trans people as part of his manifesto; so, based on the overwhelming vote he got, there’s clearly a desire to continue that trend. Corbyn doesn’t have the same desire.

I hope you're right about Polanski. It'll be interesting to see how he deals with the media shit that's going to be flung at him from now on. Corbyn has campaigned solidly for trans people for years, but that doesn't seem to matter to people. I'd rather fight the transphobic social conservatives.

“..campaigned solidly..” Really? A few high level, lukewarm statements about our rights over the years are not that!!! Try believing trans people when we say we can see the signs. Because we have plenty of experience on spotting who’s genuinely on our side, and who isn’t.

Take this, for example.👇 This is all he could say the day after the Supreme Court ruling. “Saddened” Is that it? Because he should have been outraged that we had our Article 8 human rights stripped away from us. Just a few words that society shouldn’t be hateful to trans people. Pathetic.

Will you be voting on your rights then too?

...I guess not

Good points and questions Lee 🏳️‍⚧️

Any party run by Corbyn will no doubt have its policies decided by its members. That's always been his vision and it's what he tried to do when he was leader of the Labour party.

Human rights are universal and not dependent onna fucking vote.

And yet that's what we will likely be voting for come the next election

Did you just try and pull a ‘vote for my team’ move when your team is a so far non existent party which has deep divisions before it has policy, no electoral machinery and not even a name? Fucking lol

No not at all, I meant the next general election will likely be based on immigration and leaving the ECHR. For what it is worth I am not politically aligned to any party as I like to keep my options open. But if the left wants to win then they need to unite rather than attack each other.

So talk to the bigots fronting your party then not us.

I would be very surprised if your party turns out to be anti-trans, but in the event that it is then I would not be a part of it.

Got bad news for you.

Almost the whole senior membership of the party are anti trans and forced birthers

I am well aware of Mark and his wife. I am a trade union rep in the union that Mark led, but the views of his wife didn't stop me being part of the union because I can change more from within it than I can from the outside.

And how did that work out for him, stabbed in the back by right wingers he allowed to stay in the party.

They've made plenty of statements about what the party stands for without waiting for members to vote. The rights of any section of society should not be up to a vote and it's insulting that you are arguing they should.

I am sorry I have no intention to insult you. I know that trans people are going through a difficult time. All I am trying to say is let's not write something off before it's started. If this new party turns out to be anti-trans, which I highly doubt it will, then I certainly won't be backing it.

They've literally just welcomed another transphobe

Which is absolutely concerning but not enough for me personally to completely write them off.

Sounds like something a transphobic party would do.

what? Wait until the party conference to democratically decide on it's policies are?

That isn't how human rights work.

Nah, you're alright, I'll go elsewhere

don't slam the gate on your way out