confident many people will not survive it. Does anyone have any ideas on a lawful non-violent means of removing an entire administration and political party from the House and Senate? Because I don’t.
confident many people will not survive it. Does anyone have any ideas on a lawful non-violent means of removing an entire administration and political party from the House and Senate? Because I don’t.
Soon it will not be the local police standing there watching peaceful protest (as happened yesterday where I live), it will be the goons and the public partaking in violence. I am truly worried that desperation for survival will clash with desperation for control.
An Article V Convention is called by State legislatures but has the power to amend the Constitution en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convent...
We are hell and gone past non-violent.
We’re sitting ducks, watching helplessly as we slide off the cliff.
South Vietnam stopped their fascist government with mass protests and strikes. I'm confident in these tools in our arsenal, along with pushback from university pushback and political opposition in Washington.
Maybe a general strike, but I don't see how this ends without violence. Sorry, not trying to be part of the problem.
Create legal framewk w/states chging treason: alliance of AGs, judges, govs, legislators, mayors, congressional reps, the fucking dog catcher, plus have retired military on the team, US allies, even ex pres & vps plan w/GOP to remove Johnson & install someone we can live with after TrumpCo arrested
Asking for “lawful non-violent means” against an administration that openly defies the law and uses violence is like playing a game of Monopoly where you play by the rules, but the other person openly cheats. Sure, you rightly don’t want to stoop to their level, but you’re guaranteed to lose.
Somehow you'd need to convince Congressional Republicans that supporting Trump is more injurious to them *personally* than opposing him. I'm not sure that can be done 🤣
The time to stop Trump lawfully and non-violently was last November.
yep. and one third stayed home, couldnt be bothered.
I mean, like it or not, Biden did a terrible job of communicating his wins to the American public, and lost on basically everything he did manage to put in the public eye. His foreign policy was pretty shit, and he was supporting an ongoing genocide. I can understand people staying home.
It's irrational, sure, but people are not ruled by reason. They are ruled by passions and narratives.
this is a moment for action, old guard go home its over
Nice narrative, let's see if you have the passion to make it stick.
huh?
the party lacks clear leadership. priztger and van hollen, bernie and aoc are the leadership now. pritzger speaks for us. vh has integrity
Correction- it was in the hands of one, Mitch McConnell- he failed the citizens. He will go to his maker with that on his shoulders
He is a Republican, obviously he made the situation worse, that is what they do, they are at best indifferent towards America. Complaining about McConnel not doing the right thing is like complaining about a rabid dog attacking you.
Lotta effin good that does us. He said “let the voters decide.” So we decided in 2020. And what trump did in the months after he lost, disqualified him from running again - but that only works is someone enforces 14.3. And nobody did.
Nope. Which only leaves one option.
Lawful, yes. Spelled out in our Declaration of Independence. Non-violent, NO. Because what is spelled out is alter or abolish and that requires a repeat of 1776 - or 1788 France.
I'm absolutely addicted to reading about the French Revolution. It's so key to the modern world and so often misunderstood. It has so many phases with so many different ideologies. I say all that to say, look up the Insurrection 10 August 1792. That's our the model.
The Declaration of Independence was not a legal document nor did it claim to be. That was the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence was an announcement that the current legal framework wasn’t working and needed to be replaced. An assertion of moral duty/rights, not a legal argument.
We are well past the point of a non violent resolution.
It won’t be strictly non-violent. But I think there is a chance that we can avoid a lot of death and all-out war. Maybe I’m optimistic. But, as you said, the country will be in free fall and the regime will have trashed what is left of the Constitution. There will have to be new constructs that will
allow for the removal of complicit members if the regime and a new electoral process. It’s hard to say. But I don’t think that things will happen in accordance with our current government structures / institutions.
"Lawful" and "nonviolent" don't apply when discussing removal of a criminal fascist regime that has corrupted every single Federal institution and is rapidly consolidating power.
General Strike, though it will be responded to with state violence. A General Strike is emerging as the only way.
Buy Amazon or die motherfucqers.
Pam, this is exactly what I have concluded!!! The unfortunate reality is the framers, who warned of a 2 party system, never foresaw this type of collapse of accountability. No provisions are provided in the constitution, and violence, historically, is how citizens toppled corrupt governments.🤷
If the US ever comes out of this, we need an amendment to the constitution to enact either snap elections, or votes of no confidence, or recall elections for all of a state’s representatives in congress. The issue isn’t Trump…..it’s the nearly 40% of America who are brainwashed by Republican media
It would be nice to have a "people's impeachment", where we can somehow call a nationwide vote of *citizens* to impeach a president if congress won't/can't. It's frustrating that we no longer can trust those we elect to do what we elected them to do - support our interests & defend the constitution.
Hopefully Don will smear his feces on the walls of the Oval Office, and that will be that! Even Repubs will impeach. JD will take over, but he's not a God, and he can probably be impeached for something too!
If Vance goes as well as trump, we'll have Johnson.
True, but Johnson isn't God either. It's "not Gods" all the way down.
I want 47, his crime family and his entire administration __________!!!! And I wouldn't shed a tear.
But then we've got to worry about the majority of voters, who adore them all, to the point of electing the world's most dangerous man -- TWICE!
And a few of them are related to me Arrrggghhhh #DumbAsses
Yes. A coordinated economic action plan. We need to get at least 100,000 people to stop paying student loan debt. Then we have to get 100,000 to file extensions on taxes. And FYI, I was a fraud investigator and ALJ for the state of Oregon. I have so much information but I’m a nobody.
I am low income so I don't pay much in at the moment, but I have set my withholding to zero for this year and plan to file an extension. None of us should be funding the grift in advance. Hell, our taxes are the price we pay for our public services, and now we're not even getting what we paid for!
They threw the first punch
This. This. This is the question my soul has been aching with for the past ~ 14 weeks. This.
It won't be non violent. It's inevitable.
This is what MY soul is aching with Some people are gonna die. Might be me or mine.
Might be any of us and that sucks, because we didn't want any of this. But it WILL be the lot of THEM because not only this Nation, but our former allies are fed up with America's crap too. The only people that should be suffering from all this are those who voted for him.
I am NOT a violent person, and have always advocated for peaceful solutions. That being said, I have never had such rage and despair than I do now.
He did this to us. It's rapist mentality to fear monger. It's horrible.
It is his/“it’s” modus operandi… bully, mob/gangster style bullshit. I can’t wait to see the day he/“it” gets comeuppance! It WILL come.
In Jesus Christ Righteous name A'HO and Amen 🙏🙏 yes it will!
You and me both Donna. I used to be a violent person back when I was denying Who I Really Am. I used to struggle with controlling my anger for the longest time. And now I am even angrier than I ever was as a child. And I've never been as distraught as I am now.
Ladies, pray. If you don't pray, manifest. Make vision boards. There will be a Reckoning. Evil only gets to rule for a bit longer. Even though everyday seems endless under this horrible administration, the end result will bring the good of the Nation VICTORY. 🙏🙏
Annabeth… while they say anger is “not as bad “ as depression, I try to remember (I think Buddhist origins) that anger is like poison to the person feeling it. Connecting with other similar minds here helps me feel not alone in the insanity. There IS hope. I hold onto optimism still.
People have not yet begun to birddog their electeds to push for #ImpeachAndRemove. The constitution gives us the tools to do it. Enough Republicans (3 in the House, 16 in the Senate-not unworkable numbers here) are weak cowards, so they need to be made afraid to NOT vote for impeachment & conviction
Nonviolence does not mean allowing them a peaceful existence while they ignore our demands. Electeds are people too who enjoy living in polite society. Make their lives miserable until they relent. If 3.5% of an elected’s constituency constantly hounded them around the clock, that might move enough
You appear to be running on the assumption that the enemy actually gives a damn about the Constitution. Republicans are too afraid of Trump. And we couldn't even impeach him for the goddamn insurrection. And that was the worst crime sitting president had committed so far.
There was not the same level of protest following J6. We wrongly assumed Congress would act on their own since he tried to get them all killed. This time we know they are weak cowards who need over the top persuasion to do the right thing. I say we give it to them, make it unrelenting & unavoidable.
The protests must become occupations. And as people lose jobs and homes, the bigger those grow…. If the Republicans refuse to fix this, we are in for hell.
The time has come. Execute Order 65. And if you're familiar with Star Wars, you will know what clone order 65 was.
There are none. The founding fathers never foresaw something like what's going on now. And so many people are already not surviving this tyranny. And the damage is going to be irreparable. So much damage in just 3 months has been done to this country. Imagine how bad it will be in 4 years.