Let us know when the squad and progressives flip seats

Did they push lies and propaganda and encourage the "Uncommitted" Op? Yes, they did and yes, they helped their MAGA brethren and fcked over millions of people, including the people their Hamas buddies like to abuse for press coverage in Gaza.

I’m not blaming the Squad for anything that’s happening in Gaza, no. I’m blaming the Squad for clearly getting caught up in a foreign intelligence operation and using their massive platforms to further divide the Democratic Party before the most important election of our lives.

100%

Thank you. The American exceptionalism idealists were wrong to blame Biden for what the leader of a foreign country is doing to another foreign country. America does not rule the world. I don't hate people for their idealism, but they got played, and stayed home. Trump is now President.

Blame him only if he continued arming that foreign leader and supporting him at the UN

Almost like diplomacy is complicated.

Btw, I appreciate you saying you don't hate people for their idealism. People can get so harsh and ugly on this issue. Angry himself has dissed the protesters, which is just a low thing to do.

But they were right to blame him for actively abetting the genocide! Read Omar El Akkad and see why it was, finally, too much to ask of Arab Americans. Maybe a fascist threat was even what we needed to wake us up to how undemocratic the US had actually been. And I say this, FWIW, as a Harris voter.

What scares me the most about this successful anti-Israel PR campaign is who is behind it? I don't know the answer to that. It started two days after the attack on Israel. Before the shelling and siege. People from paid troll farms(?) posting images from other wars.

? I don't know about that. It's not only PR. The enormity of their actions is on record. Medical professionals report on what they see in Gaza. I think it's wrong--morally wrong--to imply it is just PR. And Israel has been horrendous for decades anyway.

I am still idealistic, and I protest. Protesting what you think is wrong is the perfect thing to do to. I object to their purity tests: Staying home from the polls to punish Biden. Calling Netanyahu's atrocities apartheid. Blaming Jewish people elsewhere for his criminality.

Genocide is a term that is poorly defined. If it just means killing, are all wars genocide? Maybe. Stomping out our neighbors is a frequent result of war. We often start wars because people are seen as "the other." Not our nationality, religion, tribe, party, family. Someone gets power. People die.

Also, I appreciate the politeness, but I have to mute this thread now. To defend Israel in any way at this point seems too abhorrent to me. They are set to raze a population that is half children. They are just indefensible.

As you wish. The Israelis who are protesting Netanyahu likely feel about their corrupt leader just as I feel about ours. He didn't win the popular vote in the last election either. He also needed to win to avoid sentencing. Meanwhile, another generation of Americans has been taught to hate.

You completely missed my point, so there is no purpose in any further discussion.

My reply ended up to the wrong post. I noted that scholars are calling it genocide because Israel systematically seems set on wiping out a whole people, killing children and bombing hospitals. And it's monstrous no matter what other term you use. It shocks the conscience.

Sure, if it's a purity test, no. But if it's that they truly couldn't bring them to vote for his successor, then I get it.

I know it's not an exact term, but scholars are now calling Israel's actions in Gaza, genocide. Israel is systematically trying to wipe out the people. They're killing children point-blank. It sounds like it meets the criteria. In any event, it is monstrous.

"America does not rule the world" Perhaps not, but they did supply weapons to Israel to be used for genocide

As authorized by Congress and by prior agreement. So let's blame President Biden, just as we did when he kept to Trump's Doha Agreement.

As authorized by the Biden administration apnews.com/article/us-i...

We are funding the war. Those are our weapons paid for with our tax dollars. One call from Biden would have shut it down.

No. President Biden didn't rule by whim. The funding came from Congress. The 2016 10-year security assistance Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to Israel. $3.8B per year. obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-of....

Congress passed it Biden signed it. He also asked Congress for additional military weapon funding for Israel. I supported Biden, knowing he turned a blind eye to genocide and pushed for more weapons... It's crushing.

Democrats champion civil rights—BLM, women’s choice, LGBTQ+, immigration, labor, voting rights. But the Palestinian propaganda machine embedded itself in these movements to fracture unity, hijack causes, and demand ideological purity. The result? Undermined solidarity and Trump wins

IKR? In the early days, that intention of the propaganda was clear. Muddy the thinking of the West by using their own humanist views as weapons. Ignore that Rome drove Israelites out of Israel. Claim that tis existence is "colonization." Pretend that Israelis are all white Europeans. 🧵

The spin was particularly aimed at more left leaning folks. It has worked. All they surmise when you dispute these lies is that you want the cruel killing of Gazans to continue. Netanyahu has been an awful far-right PM for their entire lives. The war delayed his corruption trial.

Foreign intelligence operation? You sound like a crazy person.

Biden's policy on Gaza was indefensible. Multiple people in his administration resigned in protest over it.

No! It isn't!

It'd bullshit

Yes it is. Prior to 2024 election djt very vocally stated Netanyahu should finish the job. Djt was never going to help the Palestinians w/ anything. But ppl chose not to vote or voted djt in retaliation. & here we are…..famine & hunger in Gaza & Netanyahu saying that’s not true. & total chaos here.

My understanding is that it was more that people couldn't bring themselves to vote for the continuation of an admin that was enabling genocide. And it's weak, IMO, to blame the Squad.

So they voted for the person who is continuing to enable genocide & is actually making it worse….as well as undermining democracy here & abroad.

I think the most thoughtful ones have despaired of our whole system. And indeed there's something wrong with a setup that would bring someone like Trump even close to power. So, that's why I find it hard to blame them.

There were two choices. One was brilliant and capable, and supported poc, women & lower income brackets. Then there was a fascist who wants to wipe Gaza off the map. People “couldn’t” vote for the brilliant and capable choice because they “despaired of the whole system”? And where did that get us?

Read Omar El Akkad to see where my comments are coming from. I for my part voted for her. I think it's important to try to empathize with POVs not one's own, that's all. The US has asked Arab Americans to just trust them, for too long.

There were 2 choices in 2024: djt or Harris. That was it. & if anyone thought djt was going 2 bring any peace anywhere they weren’t paying attention for 50+ yrs. His message was hate revenge racism misogyny. & I’ll add undermining democracy. & here we are…hope it worked out for them.

Thing is, for those *not saying you* who dont get it. Harris/Biden were not perfect on Gaza...but they were a step forward and you could push them forward once in office. TACO was never going to be a step forward, and you're seeing that in real time. You have to have blinders on to not have seen tht

Let alone ALL the other issues, Gaza is just one of many things, that Taco is demonstrably worse at domestically/internationally. I'd just ask if all the protests prior to Nov, that criticized Harris, funny they are just absent now...so tell me again how they were "organic"

His beh over 50+ years was repulsive & criminal & narcissistic & ignorant & abusive….& then after his 1st term & jan 6 it was so obvious. & he clearly told Netanyahu b4 the 2024 election to ‘finish the job.’ How ppl didn’t get this is beyond my comprehension.

We're talking past each other. The people I'm thinking of didn't think T would bring peace. They had no use for him either.

But they voted for him or didn’t vote / which is basically voting for him. Again, there were 2 choices. & one of those choices didn’t care about any of them / at any level. At this point - I cannot forgive ppl who willingly opened the door & set the table for what is happening to this country.

Its good that 2028 will not be the most important election it will be one of these whatever elections

If 2024 didn't go to trump then 2028 would not have been as important as it will be.

We hear this same shit every four years and it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. If the party wants to keep meddling and running unpopular centrist candidates, they will continue to lose.

So every Election is the most important of our lives, You get from an emotional perspective even if that is true hearing it all the time undermines the impact, its like if the world is ending in every Episode of Justice League it doesn't feel like it anymore after episode 50

I suppose if one has zero historical perspective.

The response to the Gaza question needed to be: hey, foreign policy is really hard because sovereign nations are sovereign on the one hand and also bound by previous treaties. Fucck. But the one thing I can tell you is that the guy telling you it's easy is LYING TO YOU. Vote accordingly.

This is exactly what Kamala Harris said. She condemned Israel’s actions in Gaza while supporting Israel’s right to legitimately defend itself. But ppl who were looking for any excuse excuse to not vote for Kamala were going to find one, just as they did w/ Hillary. www.cnn.com/2024/07/25/p...

Legitimately would be the key word there. And, unfortunately, she was too closely associated with Biden's truly atrocious Israel policy. I voted for her, but I don't blame anyone who couldn't bring themselves to do so because of Gaza. Biden could have stopped arming Israel.

....without congressional approval?

Congress bears fault as well. Biden didn't even try. He was so fervently pro-Israel. Even more so than most US presidents.

"She condemned their actions while supporting their actions"

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She ignored a genocide that our country is paying for. It would be like condemning one of my kids for being a serial killer while continuing to provide them with more guns.

It's not about foreign policy it's about our tax dollars funding the weapons and genocide almost exclusively. Israel couldn't wage this war without our money.

Those tax dollars follow foreign policy. And foreign policy takes years. Unless you’re Donald Trump and just break treaties Willy-nilly. This is a hard situation. Harris literally could not change foreign policy as a candidate.

When asked directly Harris said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden. She also blocked a Palestinian woman from speaking at the convention. www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...

You and I probably don't disagree much on Israel policy itself, just about how much a candidate can advocate for foreign policy changes in the context of a campaign, especially when they're part of the party in power. Harris' hands were tied. By speaking out, all she could do was lose by more.

Congressional laws are what funds Israel's war. Congress has the power of the purse. They voted for more money and more weapons this spring. The money is through the department of defense, not state. It's not a foreign policy. It's a military budget line Dems are voting for the weapons now.

She could have said she would back humanitarian aid, started start US oversight is required in wars we are funding/countries we are arming before more military support. She voiced unqualified support for Israel & indifference to Gaza We'll lose the midterms if dems continues ignoring the genocide.

With Trump in power Dems can’t make much impact on fp even if we do win the midterms. Reality is, if we divide ourselves talking about what we WOULD do IF in power, we permanently deprive ourselves of the opportunity to talk about what we WILL do WHEN in power.

Hmm the DNC isn’t doing very well debating this issue today.

We have to talk about it. It's a moral litmus test most Dems are ignoring and failing.

"How much U.S. aid does Israel receive?" www.cfr.org/article/us-a...

I have a master's in international diplomacy and worked at the department of Treasury. Congress has approved money directly for Israel to purchase weapons. "Congress approved more than $14 billion in aid for Israel. This included $10.6 billion through the DoD" www.ajc.org/news/what-ev....

I’m not going to talk about my qualifications to speak on this subject.

Fair

You're not but I am. They had a clear choice of ceasefire 2 state solution OR Trump killing everyone. And they chose the second one.

We had one job at the polls. But throwing people under the bus because they didn’t ignore Palestinians to be perfect enough to overcome white peoples’ love of white supremacy is peak whiteness.

They weren't wrong. It's ultimately the voters fault for demanding a perfect Democrat candidate. Not understanding that a good president can be swayed by public opinion.

Ok but the old guard needs to back down not the new blood.

There are amazing young Dems serving in Congress. Among them: Lauren Underwood, Sharice Davids, Shontel Brown, & Maxwell Frost. Current DNC vice chairs: Malcom Kenyatta, Artie Blanco, & Shasti Conrad. Stop relying on corporate media to cover Dem leaders & allowing it to shape a false narrative.

Sounds like we are on the same page?

Ooooo quit trying to get rid of me

Oh ffs . The “new blood” that does nothing but attack democrats and lose elections

The new blood needs to learn to not step on its own dick. 🤷

Like they’re doing to Newsom rn. 🙄

I don't follow. Meaning?

This!!!!!

No! We need all hands on deck! Stop being dumb!

No, I mean the old people stay active but support the young Dems.

No! Until the youth stop getting played by new propaganda every damn election, they are not ready!

Precisely what I hoped you had meant. I’m a 65-year-old Boomer. I warmly and openly support an infusion of young, progressive Dems. And far more women & POC. Our patriarchal domination has gotten us to where we are today. Time for a revolution.

lol revolution!?? From whom?? lol are you waiting for permission!??

“Revolution” is a very broad term. It could mean a violent overthrow, or just revolving…change. The point is the way we’ve been doing things has gotten us to where we are today. And that obviously needs to change.

I mean whatever you need it to mean…

Probably the most important point is, where is the sense of urgency? Where is that “American exceptionalism”? Time is quickly running out… we need a lot more very angry Americans to focus that anger into coordinated action.

I agree…but it has to be white…we’re waiting on the white electorate to get upset…unfortunately shit don’t matter until they get upset

Bingo! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

A lot of squad supporters voted for this woman who has now disappeared back into oblivion just like 2016. She might be one of the most sinister political vilians of our time.

Sir, this is an idiotic answer. Maybe look at the 90% fully petrified D party (and media, yes) not meeting the moment ? FFS Kobuchlar was gushing all over the fucking inaurguration while all of them was sitting there taking pure hate on the chin from a revengeful vile old racist fuck?

I'm too busy being proud of Texas Dem leaders, happy w/Dem Senate for slowing things to a crawl, and getting ready to vote on an initiative in CA, created by Dem legislators, to take back the country. It seems to me like you enjoy making shit up, and I wld encourage you to join us in reality.

Klobucher was NOT gushing. She was trying to convince Trump to fund recovery for California from the devastating fires they recently had. Y’all fucking exaggerate everything.

And they have no remorse for doing that, nor have they admitted they miscalculated www.thebulwark.com/p/pro-palest...

Young purists gonna pure. They’ll have a lifetime to learn the consequences. And frankly, they didn’t give a shit about the Palestinians, who are now being genocided. Like the Naderites, they just wanted to watch the liberal ship burn.

Their pledge to do the same sabotaging of Dems during the midterms primaries ensures that Trump will get re-elected. Its like they want an Islamic Caliphate in the US or Trump & nothing else. Dont they realize they will all be arrested and deported if he stays in office??!!

"Activists with Abandon Harris, which urged supporters to back Jill Stein in 2024, told The Bulwark that they are restructuring their organization and will relaunch in a few weeks under a new name. They plan to be particularly active in Senate primaries" -article

How do they make a living? They don’t have day jobs? Forever, wanting to be chaotic agents?

“We spent a year as Democrats warning [the party] that our communities like Dearborn were grieving and attending funeral after funeral,” Elabed continued. “Our party leaders offered spin instead of change.” -article

Yall don’t forget Bernie defending Tulsi Gabbard and trying to legitimize her as a leftist by making her a Sanders Institute fellow.

Well damn, I didn’t think you got it.

They're terrorist helpers. That's what they OPTED to do on 10/8/23 instead of staying UNITED to help Biden-Harris win and some barely helped Kamala after Biden dropped out. They gave up democracy because they had their pet issue

AAAAGGGHHH!!!

Thankful rape denier Jamal Bowman got tossed out like yesterday's trash with Cori Bush. They didn't get "caught up" in anything. Tlaib, Omar are full on antisemitic Jew haters. Pelosi should have tossed them out with their antisemitic shit long ago. AOC wouldn't meet with Jews in her district.

I hear Tel Aviv is lovely this time of year, its a great place to live

WTF

I hesitate to wade in but you must admit a certain segment of left found the alliteration of Biden's given name with the word genocide to be irresistible.

Squad member Jamaal Bowman endorsed Harris enthusiastically, well after being booted in a Dem primary for his criticism of Netanyahu.

I’m sure there are people happy that Gaza divided the Democratic Party. Do we know if that was a motivating factor in the folks that caused the current troubles between Israel and Gaza?

Yes, they did that. They showed their antisemitism.

I don't think the squad is antisemitic but some of their supporters absolutely are, like that piece of shit "student" who became a martyr who basically said ALL Jews who didn't hate Israel were EEEEEEEEEVIL, seriously fuck thiat nazi piece of dogshit, I have zero sympathy for him now.

Ah

I blame Harris and Biden for ignoring the genocide. They ignored and alienated their own base angry about American funded ethnic cleansing.

So you're telling us that believing genocide is wrong is against the democratic parties politics? This is everything that's wrong with the democratic party. They are old and in the way, they dont listen to their constituents, and that's why trump won!

Yawn.

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Yes you fucked up dummy

Elaborate...

It’s all working out so well for the Palestinians.

Another vote blue no matter who shitlib who would be happy children dying under blue leadership. Getba fucking grip, these are woman and children being murdered with our tax dollars.

Girlllll...that's the all day and all night kind of right. 🔥

The Free Palestine movement didn’t just join civil liberties causes—it embedded itself to fracture solidarity, isolate allies, and turn support for Hamas into a liberal litmus test. This isn’t about justice—it’s about hijacking progressive spaces to normalize extremism and silence dissent.

Agree

True! Haven’t heard anything from her lately either.

I think this is a fundamental misread of the American social climate. People are fed up with the choice between “acceleration to collapse” and “shit gets worse but more slowly.” What have establishment dems done to EARN the trust to vote “Blue No Matter Who?”

Wait until there’s a jackboot on your face, pal. Trump’s just getting started and you have no idea how bad it is going to get. Oh, but not for you; you’re not a vulnerable minority. Just keep your head down, pay your tribute, and the stormtroopers will leave you alone.

I’m not advocating people stay home from the vote, or vote Republican. I’m calling on the democrats to present a unified, popular platform that isn’t just a return to the slow decline of “business as usual.”

Wow, I admire your calmness in answering that provocative person. That is just the kind of keyboard warrior on here who makes me craaazy

People are frustrated and angry; I can’t blame folks for getting heated about these issues.

Still. That particular mix of rage, obtuseness, and self-righteousness is extra maddening, I find!

Illness will kill me just as dead as a Trumpist firing squad, so I’m voting for whoever has a meaningful plan for universal healthcare. Americans are tired of choosing between dying so art museum donors can stay rich and dying so weapons developers can stay rich.

The last 3 presidential elections I wanted to keep gop from getting SCOTUS picks. I voted for the candidate who had the best chance to achieve that. Not voting or voting 3rd party would decrease my odds not increase them. Who has the best chance to get what you want? Play the fucking long game!

The idea that “infighting” is kneecapping dems is the most successful lie told in the last 30 years. It’s not infighting. It’s INACTION

Tell us what Dems can do out of power. Be specific. Also tell us how what #FatNixon and the Republican Congress has done to improve your life. Also being specific.

I suspect you want us to tell you what Democrats have done for YOU. That's the opposite of the way I chose to vote for Democrats. I like what they do for people who need the government's protection and assistance. Democrats are not the white supremacist party, and they don't oppress women.

Hardly. I’m in research; the invisible work of our national agencies is one of the best parts of America, and it’s being gutted. I’m asking what meaningful steps the democrats took to address the affordability crisis, for example. Business as usual is not good enough.

You say the work you do is being gutted. How is that not about YOU? Democrats would not have gutted the work you do. They favor funding research. "Affordability" is quite general. Is this housing? groceries? electricity? Democrats support programs that assist people in these areas.

True. By partisan, by partisan, by partisan. The Republicans will never be partisan on anything that benefits the average person. We’re gonna have to pull a Trump

Black & white thinkers are unable to distinguish between malicious/intentional cruelty & imperfect response to complicated issues. The civil war was 160 years ago yet racism is very much alive & civil rights/voting rights continue to be under attack. You want action? Give Dems a majority.

This is more than imperfect response, it’s using minorities as leverage to prop up a weak platform with no policy proposals - just “vote for us or we go back to segregation!” What’s their plan for healthcare? For climate collapse? They run on “not being republican” and… that’s it.

I equate it to prostate cancer vs pancreatic cancer. They’re both cancer but one kills you within months and the other is so slow something else will probably kill you first.

Thank you. I always thought that the university encampments were not a grassroots movement. That’s when I learned the term “astroturfing”. Social media spread the word among students but it was foreign intelligence running the show (Russia).

Plus Russia and China on TikTok

As far as I’m concerned, this election was about one thing above everything else . Keeping the fkg Russian asset out of office . Where then a table can be set for democracy. For some that was too much to ask 😖

The Squad were speaking for a lot of people, likely the majority, the ones who didn’t vote.

No, they were not. Most Democratic voters thought (and were proven correct!) The Squad’s tactics would give votes to Trump and Republicans.

Yes they were

Show us the polls, or votes, that told that. You can say it all you want—unfortunately, that doesn’t make it so.

Right back at you.

Ha

Cool, cool. Tell the class how things are better in Gaza based on your inaction. Be specific.

If party unity = silence while ppl r slaughtered, it’s not unity — it’s complicity. That’s no diff than standing by Hitler at the gas chambers saying “but the party!!” A party that claims 2 be of morals but won’t stand 4 them is just a hollow shell — a machine that wins elections while ppl die.

I remember there was a Biden press conference. He was asked something to the effect, will you consider vis a vis the campus protests, their views. He said, "No." He walked off. That was the moment he lost them.

So you’re fine with US-funded, armed and fully supported destruction of an entire people? How do you sleep at night writing this shit.

The Squad, except for AOC cost Democrats the election and now we have a fascist wannabe dictator sending troops to states and Hamas is strong as ever ...and they still insist they are right, #Antisemitism is a hell of a drug, smh

Because the Democratic Party refused to endorse Hamas, it lost favor with parts of its own base—fracturing unity and alienating moderates. In trying to appease extremes, some Democrats sabotaged their own coalition, paving the way for Trump’s return

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They played a part. The Squad has been consistently awful.

In part yes.

It was CRUCIAL to stick together! Very reckless and STUPID to take a humongous chance to foolishly throw away votes!!!😤

Exactly, so being against genocide is anti dem party? Fuck that shit! Dems are weak as fuck, and wont give up any chance of a better party. Get the fuck out of the way boomers!!!

Divide the vote and get Trump. FYI..I am a boomer and hate Trump to my very core.

Well the dems could of done better, but they didn't, and thats why trump "won." He probably didn't, but dems couldn't rock the vote enough because they are weak. More people didn't vote that voted dem, that should tell them something.

Since you are questioning if Trump “won”, I assume you believe the election could have been rigged. If that is true, Harris probably won thus Dems rocked the vote. And there are a lot of low information (aka stupid) people out there. One woman said she voted for Trump because Biden banned abortions.

Dems need to stop falling for the divisive “it’s their fault he won” op. Info/psych warfare is the real reason. Husk pumped huge sums of $ at the last minute into it to depress the Harris vote & snag a few more for shitler. They’re using algorithms to hack ppl’s brains, fan flames of division.

Speaking of the squad and Gaza, what happened to all the campus protests and White House protests and Gaza protests in general? Where's Maya Ayooni? Where's the noise? What happened? Where are the Muslims for Trump? It's much, much worse now.... What happened?

Maybe the democratic party should try to focus more on gloating over people that were just trying to make what they thought was the only moral choice available to them. Have we tried that? Has everyone found one person that abstained and berated them for having a spine? I bet that'll work.

Correct, they were pulled into the Egyptian Mission according to the article.

SouthernWarlock posted the video from NBC news.

2 protesters were pulled into, I believe, the Egyptian Museum and brutally beaten last night in New York. They were protesting the Gaza Genocide. I reposted the video. on my page.

No, no it is not. The perp is Netanyahu in this case.

Tlaib still has a lot to answer for for not endorsing Harris, I will not forgive her for that. Also Hamas is to blame as well, they are not freedom fighters and so-called "progressives" need to get that through their thick skulls.

My intention wasn't to validate Hamas or let Tlaib off But I can imagine the hurt she was feeling about Palestinians who are the pawns of both Israel & Hamas.