Tfw anime girl = 13 year old in lingerie. Like, how tf do people look at ANY anime girl of average proportion and see child? No human has this sort of face— at least not without surgery…
Tfw anime girl = 13 year old in lingerie. Like, how tf do people look at ANY anime girl of average proportion and see child? No human has this sort of face— at least not without surgery…
If anime * generally * has a problem, it may be the strong tendency to stylise girls to be both fully sexually developed and at the same time just baby. Mature adults can look at that in context and it's basically fine, but to a subset of perverts it does notmalise a dangerous "sexy kids" stereotype
And before anyone @s me, I like anime and am very aware that all anime aren't sailor moon or hentacle tentai, but a lot are, and that is significant when talking about it as a medium (anime is neither a style nor a genre). Happy to discuss this further in good faith, I have many more thoughts...
I don't really buy the "normalizing X" argument. The same can be said about stylized violence, but nobody goes moral policing that unless there's a recent mass shooting, which they turn to that because its an easy scapegoat to hide intentions behind the shooting and censor media depicting uprising
Yeah, it's a tricky balance to get right. I thought I was clear on my position but apparently the character limit got me. This is one of far too many things that empower bad people to make bad actions. I'm VERY against censorship of any kind, and it is never the content to blame.
I'm inspecting the cultural environment at large in its full context. Anime is easy to attack because it's foreign. That sucks for sure. But the western tendency towards selling "anime waifus" is absolutely a hard lean-in to enable creeps. Anime isn't the problem, it's a tool being used for evil.
The initial article was talking about Grok AI implementing a "typical" anime model, which fits the bill for appearing young, it specifically mimics the look of 17-19 year old Misa. 13 is absolutely a stretch here, but there is a valid question to consider.
When there's a well-documented problem in the real world of young girls being seen and treated as more mature than boys of their same age, we should give some thought to why that might be, if only to try and make increasingly less exploitative content in the future.
I see. Yeah, it didn't really come across as "anime (style) as a gateway for creeps" due to the initial phrasing. In that case I'm fully in agreement. Though I'd like to add that the AI companion thing itself is a worrying trend considering AI psychosis.
That "sexy children" thing is pretty close to victim blaming because how dare people look "young and fuckable"—despite appearance generally not being a factor as to why people get SAed. Point being: existence of a certain media don't make bad people do bad things. They do those regardless.
Eh, that's not really a fair comparison when the article was talking about an ai designed to deliver NSFW content. It's a tech billionaire saying "hey, wouldn't you totally fuck this... Adult... Happy 18th birthday, Ani" which we should probably feel a bit grossed out about, no?
Plus, I'm saying literally the opposite. We should as a culture look at content like this and say out loud to each other "isn't it a little gross that they've made that sex robot look a bit childish?" So that the pedo in the room knows that they won't get away with trying it.
I was commenting solely about the "anime looks young" bit which is why i quoted that second image instead of the main article. I'm yet to read it. But if the anime is used as dogwhistle for "jailbait wait" culture. Yeah… that ain't good.
I'm not sure if pedos would be interested in fictional children, CSAM is made because there's a demand for it. As creepy as AI companions are, i think its preferable that a would be pred jack off to an AI kid instead. Still not an AI win considering all other issues about it though.
It would be preferable if sick people get the help they need, but that's unfortunately not the world we're in, so we need them to feel like they are being watched, and we will intervene if necessary. I don't have sources, but I'm pretty sure that it's been proven that supply creates demand, too
Anime as a medium is really just "whatever japanese people find appealing", you can't generalize it as normalizing anything based on how characters are usually designed. But you CAN point to specific works as "propaganda" of sorts, people frequently mention GATE jietai for example.
Addendum: same can be said about western media. John wick, fast and furious, 50 shades of grey, don't "normalize road rage/gun violence/pro-ship". The primary intent is "be a top grossing movie of its genre", what people decide to do after seeing those movies are their own decision.
American gun ownership statistics seem to suggest otherwise... The fact that a gun ban is even a discussion says so too...
I think that's mostly an American thing as John wick is famous all over the world yet only america has that problem. No other country loves guns as much as them that any depiction of guns is seen as an endorsement regardless of message.
I mean, they're illegal here in Aus, we had some gun deaths in like the 80s so everyone more or less agreed to get rid of them. Strikingly few gun deaths here since 🤷 Unfortunately when we talk about "the west" it's basically America, where most of our imported culture comes from (unfortunately)
However, as with anime. You can validly point at any of those examples as "propaganda". But the fact that they're not usually a target of censors(but lgbt media are) means people don't bring that up UNLESS they want to demonize a media/genre/niche as a whole. Like 90s pokemon satanic panic.
Yeah, I think we're stuck in the weeds here. I broadly agree with you, but being defensive about it just shuts down critical thinking. I've watched plenty of anime that push the boundaries. I like them and absolutely want that sort of thing to continue.
I'll defend P+SwG and Big Mouth in equal measure, and one of them is explicitly about underage sex and I think it is super good and helpful for teenagers to see. Check my follows on here man, we're on the same team, but we can all benefit from self-reflection and critical thinking.
Yeah, my bad. It's just I'm always.on the edge given I've encountered so many "anime is for pedos" stuff that i go on full defensive. I'll just reply to the rest of what you said, pretty clear now we're generally on the same page at least.
All good, it was a healthy, respectful debate at least. I was weird before weird became cool, so I've had plenty of time to find my zen about what people say online and stick to having mainly good faith discussions now.
I've seen it, and it's less "look how great Japanese military is" and more "what if isekai fantasy but with guns". The military(hell, japan itself) are kinda just there so the fantasy waifus have things to do and allow them to act as bridge between a medieval fantasy world and our modern world.
Really grinds my gears when we project our humanness to drawn characters that look more like cute cats than human
Agreed. I wanna try that retort next time and see if the accusation for liking anime switches from pedo to zoophile.
Tell them if there’s cat ears it makes it morally ok to wank to it
On one hand I agree that no human let alone a child looks like that. Also larger eyes are an indication of being a predator in dim light conditions and that is freaking terrifying… That said I also agree that he should stop gooning and take us to mars, or go there himself or whatever
He'd do mankind a favor if he goes Noah's ark and take all his fans with him. Can only imagine so much rejoicing from all sides.
I'm not kidding about surgery btw. Someone actually did that—there was IRL barbie & irl superman too, and that lizard-man dude. All this to say, people can slap whatever age on a stylized character and make them act however, so seeing other people "age" them based on that boggles me.