Okay so like, I dunno if this is just me being too autistic but I asked what the alternative hypothesis to "the first people to the Americas came across the Beringian Land Bridge" was and I don't think you told me what it was?
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What you said was definitely interesting and I'll take it on board, but it didn't directly answer my question so I'm a little confused
aug 30, 2025, 5:43 pm • 3 0 • view
We don't talk about other nations like this. We know Native Australians have been on that continant for at least 65000 years, but we don't hypothesize a single event where they all showed up at once, despite it also being an isolated continent.
aug 30, 2025, 5:51 pm • 22 0 • view
No land bridge or grand theory. Boats & human migration over period does the trick. So why would Turtle Island need a land bridge 11000 age to populate this continent?
aug 30, 2025, 5:51 pm • 20 0 • view
So your issue is not as I phrased it, that people showed up via Beringia but that it's phrased as a relatively rapid epoch-defining event? I've been looking at it in terms of very direct facts, not mythologies (as in, the way yanks talk about "The Pilgrims" as the first European colonists)
aug 30, 2025, 6:03 pm • 8 1 • view
What I am saying is; we have no fucking clue. Native folks were here before land bridge theory by tens of thousands of years, but that when you are dealing with these kinds of timeliness you really can't make definitive grand statements. Also; that there doesn't need to be a grand theory
aug 30, 2025, 6:09 pm • 22 1 • view
I think that's a yes?
aug 30, 2025, 6:18 pm • 5 0 • view
I think we're talking about two different things, essentially
aug 30, 2025, 6:57 pm • 2 0 • view
You are asking me about something for which there is no answer. I am trying to explain why this is the case.
aug 30, 2025, 7:04 pm • 8 0 • view
You are answering a completely different question to the one I asked but I understand where you're coming from
aug 30, 2025, 7:25 pm • 4 0 • view
as a fellow nd: can i recommend a book?
aug 30, 2025, 8:02 pm • 0 0 • view
Where the fuck did Abby Thorn say anything about land bridges anyway
aug 30, 2025, 7:57 pm • 0 0 • view
We don't talk about any other peoples this way. There's no "How did people populate Europe" debate, for instance. The whole nature of the conversation is racist on its face, because it assumes there has to be some mythologized event that brought Natives to Turtle Island in the first place
aug 30, 2025, 6:09 pm • 13 0 • view
I agree with 99% of what you're saying on this thread, but I have to point out that there actually *is* a lot of discussion on how people populated Europe
sep 1, 2025, 8:17 pm • 2 1 • view
And the UK, where I'm from, which is believed by many to have been populated via a land bridge
sep 1, 2025, 8:18 pm • 2 1 • view
That's a fair critique. But let me just say that it is of a very different character, & not part of popular general discourse. If I was to say that humans migrated to Europe 65000 million years earlier than previously hypothesized, I wouldn't be getting random um actually me.
sep 1, 2025, 9:47 pm • 2 0 • view
I would think that was a pretty outlandish claim and want to see evidence, actually
sep 1, 2025, 9:51 pm • 2 1 • view
I mean... Ok... www.reuters.com/science/arch...
sep 1, 2025, 9:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Also; while there is some rhetoric about other species of humans being driven out by homo sapiens in the human expansion out of Africa, no one uses these topics as a way to justify colonialism. Which; is sort of what I am trying to get at.
sep 1, 2025, 9:47 pm • 2 0 • view
I say that; but if I were to declare that the Minoans where almost certainly matriarchal & that pre-Bronze age collapse Greece was one of there client stare not the other way around, I absolutely would get a bunch of weirdos um actuallying me (Even though that is almost certainly the reality of it)
sep 1, 2025, 9:51 pm • 2 0 • view
At this point all I can do is recommend reading this book. www.nebraskapress.unl.edu/nebraska/978...
aug 30, 2025, 6:11 pm • 9 0 • view
Too skint right now but thanks, I'll bear it in mind
aug 30, 2025, 6:18 pm • 0 0 • view
I did not. Because, as I stated, there simply was no grand single populizing event at all.
aug 30, 2025, 5:43 pm • 30 0 • view
And why would there need to be? Even if we assume people came over the northern channel between modern-day Russia & Alaska, people periodically swim it contemporaniously. So the idea that anyone would need a land bridge to cross is, when boats exist, is... weird.
aug 30, 2025, 5:46 pm • 34 0 • view
Okay so it sounds like the alternative hypothesis is coastal settlement instead?
aug 30, 2025, 5:48 pm • 5 0 • view
Just standard human migration. Humans doing human shit. But yeah; it would have probably been along to coasts. The important one is the timeline. Native folks where here well well before Berigia theory says we were.
aug 30, 2025, 5:59 pm • 23 0 • view
The problem with saying anything exect is, it was tens of millions of years ago. We just don't have the records to make grand proof positive statements. Like I was reading up on Scandinavian History from as resent as 13000 years ago & we don't know shit.
aug 30, 2025, 5:59 pm • 14 0 • view
Tens of millions?
aug 31, 2025, 9:36 pm • 0 0 • view
I misspoke. That should say Tens of Thousands. Millions would obviously be ridiculous.
aug 31, 2025, 9:36 pm • 6 0 • view
So when you go back 20 or 30 or 40 thousand years ago, just who fucking knows man. Like we know there where people on Turtle Island back then, even settlers had to admit that which is why they invented the Clovis people, but more then that?
aug 30, 2025, 5:59 pm • 16 0 • view
I have also been reading up on ancient Minoa which was in Crete about 11000 years ago, & because of there are & pottery we know much more about them then we do about other people's of the time & we still barely know anything about them. What we do know mostly comes from Egypt.
aug 30, 2025, 6:02 pm • 13 0 • view