It will never astound me that Michigan voted for him. Its one thing to not vote because you have no hope in change or whatever due to what's happening to your family. its another to let it CONTINUE at a worse pace due to your hatred of lgbt,other races or whatever the fuck made them vote for him
Y'all were asking Arabs to vote for the woman who was actively backing the continued massacre of their kin, possibly even their own families. That was hubris of the highest order.
Despair, desparation. If you throw people under the bus don't be surprised if they drag you down under with them
I will never understand why so many liberals look at Michigan like that is the only state. I'm guessing many of these Democrats are like Republicans, blaming dark skinned people for their problems, and not themselves or the party.
Uhhh what? Im talking about the Palestinians for Trump. I brought that up because it has perhaps the highest populated Palestinian community in the states.
As if there are enough Palestinians to swing an election. Are you stupid or something?
Got any stats on how many Palestinians voted for Trump? Or did they just not vote for genocide? Cuz I can't find any. Like the precise numbers. Were they 10? 50? 500? 5000?
You can't expect an opinion article to do your argument for you. I was talking specifically about Palestinians for trump
How many of them are there?
planetdetroit.org/2024/11/mich...
That county went for Harris. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
Alright, I get it. So Palestinians as you were speaking about, how many of them voted for Trump? Cuz I can't see that stat in here. And it explains a lot. It's was a great read. A small group of people and you're focusing on them? Please, show me the stat of PALESTINIANS who voted for Trump.
Its not that im focusing on them, my point wasn't they swayed the election my point was im baffled at how they could exist at all.
Alright, so no specific stat. You understand why, you know why. Give yourself some credit here.
Turns out touring Michigan with Liz Cheney and a former IDF volunteer was a bad choice, who could have possibly predicted????
I get it, but what are the stats? Cuz it seems to me there's a certain cohort of people in the center right Democratic party that focuses on them, but then the white people who actually VOTED for that man, gets a pass. Don't punch down.
You haven't presented any facts, an opinion is all you've put forward buddy
Except it’s not.
Most Muslims in Michigan voted for Jill Stein, not Trump. You know, the one candidate that didn’t promise to slaughter Muslims en masse.
But but... They didn't vote for OUR team! The US desperately needs more choice than genocide or genocide.
Russia needs more choice than Putin, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to get it....that's where we are now.
No this is about the USA.
That's my point...because of the choice that was made last November, we've all but assured that we won't be having any more choices to make.
Well Trump should have never been a choice again in the first place. Sadly the politicians the people voted for last time, didn't do their damn jobs and here we all are, again. 4 years, not a single damn day in jail, got immunity just 7 months prior to winning. Biden didn't take advantage of it.
no question about it. Most of us knew this was a war in 2016...dem politicians are just figuring it out now, way too late.
There we go! But they are also complicit. Follow the money. They knew of project 2025 for 2 years, what were their plans at the time? Count on winning again? Then more excuses why they can't do their jobs when they're in power? It's an endless cycle. Get money out of politics. Look at this! 👇
You’re not giving Dems enough credit. They’re not bumbling idiots, they’re complicit.
Maybe Harris shouldn’t have thrown the election for Israeli cash. Thank her for that.
Who mentioned Russia?
I have no clue, maybe they mean the USA? Since it's kinda like Russia now? Or like Israel?
The Cold War fucked them up big time.
Oh that's for sure! And then afterward, keep them in a constant state of FEAR. Look over there! While we slowly take your rights of all likes, away.
say what you mean bestie “it will never not astound me that those damn arabs wouldn’t vote for the better of two white racists”
You are so right! And I've gotten into it with lots of name calling (to me) when I've brought your point up.
Accelerationists could care less about bigotry hence them not caring about Trump.
It's not a valid point tho it's just outright racism, therefore, shouldn't be taken seriously
Hope they’re enjoying their decision
You're a malignant racist and somehow self righteous about it
What?
You single out Michigan because you're a racist. You should feel bad about yourself. The world would be improved if your influence on it was diminished.
Yeah, here you are trying to say we need to give people our vote who are willing to send weapons to go and do mass murder on indigenous people. You say it's the only pragmatic option. It's because you don't value human life equally. Your sense of security with a Democrat is more important.
Projection. You were ok with the nazis coming back so you could morally grandstand to your online followers
Oh shit, I checked your bio and you're Latin American. Question: Which presidential admin holds the unbroken record for deportations, removals, and family separations? Has that administration been held responsible? Have those in that administration who still run the party been held to account?
Nah, I'm doing organizing work, and have been for a while. And the Nazis have always been here. You insist people vote for those who appease them.
Might it have something to do with you committed a holocaust?
Easier to be edgy online and pretend you care about issues than it is to pretend nuance exists, I guess
There's no nuance that makes your genocide any less horrendously fucking evil
The nuanced opinion of "it's actually this incredibly small minority's fault we lost"
You rank and file Democrats could’ve collectively bargained to force the Democratic Party to not support Israel’s Holocaust to the Palestinians, but y’all was too lazy, to prideful with an abundance of apathy instead of love! Pride comes before the fall and the fall for y’all is happening
Fall for yall? You think there's some good out of bringing nazis back? Funny that a white man thinks that 🤔
The Democratic Party lost the last election because of its arrogance! The Democratic Party deserved to lose which doesn’t mean Trump deserved power nor any of the other fascists!
Don't put words in my mouth. I support palestine, im just aware its not as easy as a phone call to end the situation as some said. Biden was outplayed by him yes, but bringing in nazis and also netanhyus best friend and also destroying everything else was never the answer.
You rank and file Democrats were never helpless. You could’ve put your collective foot down and made party leaders to stop gambling! Party leaders knew supporting the Palestinian Holocaust was a political gamble that it would lose the party support e.g. enthusiasm, volunteers, and votes.
While Biden got outplayed its also not as easy as one phone call and bam palestine is free. The world isn't a utopia, for example he got them to agree to temporary ceasefires, then netanhyu realized any permanent ceasefire would hurt his best friend trumps chances of winning
Biden didn’t get outplayed. Subhuman and animals is what the Israelis called the Palestinians as they were slaughtering them day after day month after month so obviously that’s how Biden felt about them too! Biden could’ve used the bully pulpit and turned the whole world against the Israeli fascists
Are you happy with how things are going after Trump took office? Is it better that it would've been with Kamala? I'm not talking about Gaza, I'm talking in general.
I say democrats dropped the ball so obviously I must love what trump is doing 🙄 What’s wrong with you?
I'm not sure if you are one of those. But a lot of people prefer to act against Kamala during Kamala-vs-Trump campaign due to the Gaza issue. If you are one of those, then yes: to be a rational (and not dumb) person you do need to like what Trump is doing more than what Kamala would've done.
“Outplayed” lol. He was on board with everything the Israeli government said, including lies about beheaded babies and cutting off UNRWA funding based on unfounded claims they were working with Hamas.
Funny how it was easy as a phone call for Eisenhower and Reagan. Biden was too busy giving HIS best friend Bibi bear hugs.
Netanhyu was not prime minister during that time of those 2. Almost like situations change
Cutting off arms and aid has the same effect, no matter who’s PM. Begin was the fanatical leader of a terror gang, FFS
how is an objective fact edgy? What possible nuance exists in mass murdering a hundred thousand people, most of which children, bombing hospitals, housing blocks, schools, civil buildings, and even bulldozing cemetaries, or how about raiding homes and wearing their clothes???
Didn't they kind of deserve it though = "nuanced position"
Fundamentally it was a decision that avenging the dead was more important than trying to reduce harm and suffering of those who still lived and I do not understand that
If you look at the data, you don't actually have to reconcile it very hard because it didn't really happen, it's just convenient. Men moved right. A decade of manosphere nonsense probably helped. Rural moved right. Newly naturalised citizens moved right. Blaming "the left" is easy, but prob wrong.
There is no option to reduce harm during a genocide.
What a braindead thing to say. Truly maga level of stupidity
Denying all evidence to protect dear leader is what blue MAGA is doing
This is only true if you do not value the lives of human beings One life saved is harm reduced
There was no option to save one life
Absolutely delusional
To be clear, what is happening here is that it was incredibly obvious, both before the election and now, that the desired candidate of Smotrich and Ben Gvir would be worse for Gaza than Harris or Biden - and Biden fucking sucked on Gaza, no denying that And you are desperate to pretend otherwise
Worse how? They both gave Israel a blank check.
The average food per day getting into Gaza under Biden was more than the average food per day getting in under Trump. And do you know who didn't think that? The Israelis. Which is why they cheered so hard when Trump won. they thought he'd finally let them do what they needed to do to win.
The amount of food was steadily declining under Biden. The Israelis said Biden gave them a free hand to let them do what they needed to do to win. They said it outright. www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250429-bid...
And yet, it still got lower under Trump. Again, do you know who doesn't think that Biden gave them everything? The Israelis. Here is a direct quote from one of the worst genociders. There's a reason they wanted Trump
Don’t bother. These clowns are as lost as maga. No point in engaging.
You're weirdly proud to have voted for a genocide
No what people are ignoring is many of of the Arab/Muslim trump voters are religious fundies who hate the gays exactly like the Christian fundies. They joined with maga to attack teachers & librarians way before the election.
That is why the Arab countries don’t have stable democracy. Revenge is more important than finding a better path to reduce harm.