Most anarchists are communists in the broad sense of the word, in that they want common ownership of means of production, and a classless, stateless, moneyless society. They differ from Marxists in HOW they want to achieve that
Most anarchists are communists in the broad sense of the word, in that they want common ownership of means of production, and a classless, stateless, moneyless society. They differ from Marxists in HOW they want to achieve that
No, we don’t. We want a world where there’s no state to control what we say or do. If I want to hire other people to work for me, that’s an agreement between me and who I employ. Nobody else.
"If I want to hire other people to work for me, that’s an agreement between me and who I employ. Nobody else." You want the ability to exploit people without protections for either of you.
I think you’re confused on what anarchism is
So you believe in hierarchies. That makes you not an anarchist. A dynamic where people work FOR you is a hierarchy. What would you be hiring people for? To make a profit? That’s exploitation.
Oh I bet you believe in landlords too. Oof.
Land is not ours to own, but if you build a house, it’s yours to decide what to do with it. Who am I to tell you who to rent to for how much?
Are you even an anarchist? You might be the first one who believes in rent.
Sounds like an ancap
Yup
Do you think housing is a universal human right? Should people need to earn money to afford housing? What about food and healthcare? What if nobody wants to rent to someone, or treat their conditions? How does society ensure we meet people’s needs? Or are they just left to their own devices?
Blackrock Capital, famous anarchists, would agree with you wholeheartedly.
so land isn't yours to own, but you can fill some of it with a building and own THAT huh
don’t you need your widdle nap you ancap?
Unlike Libertarians like this guy, trash collectors are actually useful to society.
See, this is exactly why Mao didn't make exceptions
libertarians stop calling themselves anarchists challenge level impossible
You're an ancap and therefore deserve the Mechanism
Smells like capitalism
If you choose to be a capitalist, that’s your choice. Just don’t try erecting a state to protect your business.
But exploiting people and establishing hierarchies is ok. Capitalism is ok even though it’s inherently oppressive. Dude, you aren’t an anarchist. You also don’t understand how economic systems work.
Not Anarchism, you're a radical free market capitalist
hey what do you do if the person you're renting to stops paying rent
I’m not a landlord. Ask them, not me. I’d probably ask them what’s going on. If they lost their job or something, I’d work something out with them. I’ve been homeless before, so I would definitely be understanding of the circumstances.
don't pretend you don't understand their question
you're just a libertarian dawg shut up
Okay so you do believe in landlords, how are you gonna claim to argue for anarchy and say landlords should exist lmfao
Weren't you a pedophile or something? Or a sex offender? why are you still here
He's this guy. Beautiful trigger discipline. @ianthe.online @joans-walkman.bsky.social do you remember the original context of this post? I only came in near the end. bsky.app/profile/tedd...
oh Jesus Christ lemme think
please tell me this is accurate & that i actually called it that this ancap was in fact a pedophile
I could be mixing him up with another idiot but I thought the sex offender thing rang a bell
I mean his name is Belial which is just a demon name from the bibble so super edgy and probably touches kids.
You are two steps away from saying slavery is fine if the enslaved person is consenting, and that’s basically the foundation of all libertarian economic theory.
If they consent, it’s not slavery. It’s volunteerism. Nice reach though.
Yeah, this guy is into voluntary slavery. Rothbard was into debt slavery, Block and Nozick were into child slavery. You can call it indentured servitude, but debt slavery is still slavery elven if you can pay if off at the end. I hope you stub your toe everyday for the rest of your life.
Voluntary slavery if you choose to remain a voluntary slave. Start a business and stop begging for handouts.
I hope you die today in the most horrific way imaginable. See, I go for the max with my “hopes.”
Excuse me, did you fucking say HIRE?
And I want dogs to live as long as their favorite human, but we have to live in the real world, sport.
no anarchist is hiring people to work for them GTOH lmao
Mutual agreements between individuals are the key to an anarchist society.
in your scenario you got someone who owns something collecting rent from someone who doesn't now circle the words in that paragraph that are inconsistent with anarchism
Ah, got it, you're not an anarchist, you're a Libertarian(pedophile).
ANCAPs are a walking joke, sorry to pop your balloon luv
A mutual agreement is a partnership. Equal. They aren't "employees" Employee implies they have to listen to the employer who can use firing which denies folks an income to survive because the employer holds all the power. Thats not Anarchism. Thats neofeudalism.
Ancaps fuck off
you’re an anarcho-capitalist
Hey real quick how old was your oldest ever girlfriend?
lmfao
I was 22, she was 46. Largest age gap in a relationship I was 36, she was 58. Largest age gap in a hook up and oldest woman I ever been with. Why you ask?
So you’re going the ancient dragon in the form of a 13 year old route
This just sounds like libertarianism. I want labour agreements to be made under a framework that ensures fairness and recourse to justice, and at least in the short term this can only be delivered by a socialist proletarian state.
And you can have that. Just don’t come enforce that on me. That’s anarchism. No state. You idiots really don’t understand the concept of individualism.
Yeah, sorry, I don't think you should get to carve our your own little personal exemption from labour laws just because you have a Don't Tread On Me flag. Because it's not just you, it's the people you're seeking to exploit too.
I don’t have a “don’t tread on me,” flag. I have the reality that your lil communist utopia will never exist outside of the internet chat rooms where you fantasize about it.
Yeah? Well your fantasy libertarian world where you're immune from all laws definitely won't exist, so I think I'll rest easy.
I’m an agorist. Im living that fantasy right now as I milk the state for every red cent that I can.
Sorry, buddy, pretty sure the state's still going to enforce that age of consent law you hate so much.
Hey, have you ever heard of the Railroad Wars?
You aren’t even talking about libertarian socialism here. You’re talking about full-on reactionary libertarianism. You’re taking a really individualistic view of anarchism and completely bastardizing it in the process
No, I’m talking about actual anarchism. Maybe learn what that means first.
That's incredible given YOU still don't know what it means.
Anarchism is skepticism of but not necessarily outright rejection of vertical hierarchies. It doesn't necessarily mean that there's no state, just that any state's power should come from its people willingly rather than from obligation or fear.
Even the staunchest anarchist acknowledges that there are times vertical hierarchies might be necessary and allow for temporary ones. However the idea of you owning a company and having employees is pretty anti-anarchist. Anarchism doesn't have much room for private property.
Personal property yes, private property no. You can "own" a toothbrush or a house, you can't own a company.
By which I mean not that it's forbidden, just that it doesn't make sense from an anarchist perspective. A company is a collection of people and tasks and whoever does those tasks is the company. How are you supposed to own that?
No, you're talking about the horseshit Rothbard and Hoppe made up in the 60s and 70s while talking out the other side of their mouth about how the cops need to kill more people. You're a parasite trying desperately to steal the legacy of over a century of worker organising to pillage it.
Take the L and maybe go read some bakunin
I tried reading God and the State and could not get through it.
Don’t do this you’ll become anti semitic
>sir 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Yeah imagine that, a reactionary libertarian misgendering people. Shocked.
This guy is fucking trash.
It’s always the people who hate being mislabeled doing the most mislabeling too. I bet you think calling me fascist, right wing, libertarian, or even ancap hurt my feelings, huh loser?
you're such a fucking baby lmfao
Fuck your feelings nazi
Ma'am, ancaps are into feudalism with extra steps.
Sir is a term of respect, dumbass. They call women in the military “sir”.
What branch of the military do you think she's in? In every other context, calling a woman "sir" is insulting and misgendering.
you have the brain of a child
Nah just.. nah. That's so weak. Own your mistake or apologize. The second isn't a hard option "oops my bad, still disagree on the definition of anarchy" But you are continuing to try to explain away instead of listening. I hope you grow into a better person.
Next he's gonna blame it on the aluminum foil he has wrapped around his teeth
Cope harder nazi
oh well if the MILITARY do it I guess it's okay for anti-statists to do it
no don’t read Bakunin lmao, this guy will immediately start claiming Marx was owned by the Rothschilds
Bakunin only believed in anarchism because he felt that every organized structure would be inflitrated by Jewish people and co-opted. You cannot separate his antisemitism from the rest of his politics in the way you can some other flawed people.
Take your own advice dumbfuck. You're clearly a child loving libertarian
Bro. Anarchism is just "No heiarchy" that includes capitalist heirarchy like the employeer/employee dynamic.
Abolish Bedtime-ass mfer
you want to be beheaded by a local warlord is what you want.
Or I can be the one doing the beheading. Why are you so pessimistic?
Bro you can't even win an argument on ur phone, you think ur gonna be a conquer, my god
In real life, I have a better way of combating ignorance: sheer wanton violence.
i doubt you are charismatic enough to assemble any sort of militia to back you up, your head would definitely be on a pike.
I have a militia now. The fuck you talking about? I got 20+ gang banging. I got young niggas ready to die or do life for me right now, loser.
20+? thats a real no loads refused situation.
🤣🤣🤣 good one. You know what I meant though, so keep shifting that goal posts, dumbass.
all i saw was you using slurs to talk about your weird race play polycule.
@thelouvreof.bsky.social
Bro you're a loot drop and a low tier one at that
A classic throwback ITG wowe
The fact you even used the phrase “loot drop” tells you you the same guy who runs scared from niggas like me.
man shut up
Shut me up, bitch.
It's just a bunch of nazi coping lol
Yeah, buddy. Whatever you say.
statistically that is unlikely.
May I make a suggestion
Suggest that to these weirdos. I’ve been trolling them all morning. Seriously. I stopped taking this whole argument seriously since the first time they switched the goal posts.
There's enough grass for everyone comrades
Tell that to the idiots sending me death threats because I said anarchism isn’t synonymous with communism.
you are not talking about anarchism, you are talking about what Murray Rothbard called libertarianism, which other people call Anarcho-Capitalism. Notably, it's not anarchist in any meaningful sense of the word.
Where did I explain that at? The part where they asked me an economic question and I gave them an economic reply? You don’t even know what I believe. Just what they told you I believe.
what you described is called Anarcho-Capitalism
Anarchism is a conscious effort to work against all forms of hierarchy. It’d be more “we are in agreement to work together in X manner to achieve a common goal.” It wouldn’t be like paying some people to do work for you.
write a list of the reasons why a state would want to protect your workers from you
so you want unregulated capitalism
Oh so you just want. capitalism + capital for you to obtain, but an easier path towards it. otherwise there would be no problem having a socialist structure when working with others, ain’t that something
If you are hiring other people to work FOR you, instead of working WITH others, you ain’t an anarchist. Quit this ancap BS.
Ahh, the “OSHA is fascism” type of anarchist, gotcha
unfortunately you do kind of have to hand it to nixon for making sure OSHA existed
fucking ancaps…
You aren't an anarchist.
That's not Anarchism. At all.
Quit pretending to be a real anarchist, ancap
You are literally a libertarian
Sir you are not an anarchist, you are a libertarian
fucking thank you for calling this out
Reading through replies now... Legit maybe he's s bot?
such a good reminder that anarchists can also somehow be fascists
Well your bio is right, even if this entire post of yours is wrong
it was a joke because he’s obviously not actually an anarchist!
Thank you for this. It didn't come through as a joke to my eyes. Appreciate you
it wasn’t my best work lol but i do know anarchy and fascism are diametrically opposed 🙏
🖤💛
he’s not an anarchist, he’s an AnCap
🎯
i know it was a joke!
ok but ancaps aren’t anarchists lmao
For bonus points, it's not even a good reminder of what they're wrongly claiming🤣🤣
this was supposed to be a joke because this person clearly is just a fascist libertarian and not an anarchist at all i do not actually think this is true
lol fair
That’s why they keep calling me an ancap to try and invalidate my argument that anarchism is not synonymous with communism.
Like if you want to make this point, you should probably use anprims lmao.
look even AnPrims hate cops & capitalism ok? they just want to go wilderness backpacking or w/e after the revolution. we can give all 40 of them a national park or something
uncle ted doesn’t count as AnPrim, he was an egg tortured by the US government & given LSD instead of estradiol
i have salty blocked for rn but she would probs love this post
"Anarchist" btw Typical Libertarian shit to use obvious scams to exploit people for money
Counterpoint:
lmao
i am very good at coalition building except for when i am bad at it 😊
I was scratching my head going, "should I tell him?"
www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Ca...
That’s hilarious but it’s obviously made up.
Oh god, that was 10 years ago...
This is literally libertarianism, which is just worse class based exclusionary economics. Without community and solidarity there is just exploitation. Also no libertarian is actually prepared to follow through on what they say they believe in since they forget how much they actually rely on society
bro are you a fucking ancap? Pick up a fucking book about anarchism dude because you’re out here saying some nonsense. I suggest Zoe Baker’s “Means & Ends”.
I'm the guy selling your employees guns.
No dude, you live in a society.
You cannot have an inequal relationship and be an anarchist. You just constructed a heiarchy to be inequal over your employee.
this guy is a literal parasite
He is gonna post the picture of himself and a nude woman with a gun to his head soon. He's does it when he gets upset.
Is that...not the normal response when one is upset?? 🙃 "Drop the link you fucking jabroni" was 🤌
wat
bsky.app/profile/inut...
oh ok thanks im blocking him immediately
Wut
How long do you think it takes before he starts talking about the "arbitrary nature of age of consent laws"?
he already dog whistled it
I've never been proven wrong about my "every Libertarian is a pedophile" theory.
"I'm an anarchist." -some fucking libertarian
lmfao came here to say this 😂😂😂😂
you not an anarchist you are creating a hierarchy in this situation
You're a fascist
Typical commie response. Anyone’s who’s not on board with their nonsense just has to be a fascist.
Holy shit, this is the funniest thing I've read today
So you're a libertarian, that's libertarianism. You just want to be able to exploit people without the government stepping in, that's textbook libertarianism lmfao
Oh, you're just a libertarian then lmfao.
Thats a fantasy world and not even a good one lmao