Voters ignore that many elected Democrats and Republicans go to church together. To the same church. Part of the same faith family. And after watching people of faith operate for some time, I doubt I can be convinced theyβll put secular governing before that faith, esp topics their faith addresses.
Jimmy Carter was open about his religious beliefs, went to church every Sundsy & taught Sunday school. Remember what MLK's day job was? What monsters, am I right?
And look where we are now, glory. Maybe take stock in whatβs happening around you.
It didn't happen because Carter was a believer in Christ, dear. That's *extremely* specious reasoning.
It happened because people like you allowed religion to start infiltrating government. You put your religion in your faith before the people of the United States. Youβre an enemy of the constitution when you do that.
And donβt call me dear, you condescending pric
Like out of curiosity, what way has Ilhan Omar "allowed religion to infiltrate the government"? The insidious way Fox News keeps telling us?
Look at white people again, bringing up a religion that has literally zero political power, or any influence on our government. Always.
That you listen to Fox News says so much.
Is your argument that everyone does it? I donβt understand why you are posing an accusation as a question. I never named names. I donβt think attire is religious as much as cultural and independent preference. Iβm unaware of her praying at work because you didnβt provide a source for that.
My argument is that she's not "doing it" at all. And unless you have an example of a person "doing it", then the line of argument is useless and invalid. That's the point. Someone *having* a religion and saying so is not in itself a violation of church.
Why are you arguing about something with yourself? No one mentioned her. No one accused her of doing anything. As far as providing sources that they are praying in congress, have you been under a rock?
In addition, someone NOT having a religion is not, in and of itself an indication of their moral character. As we've seen here, it's not even an indication on how unbearably self-righteous they'll be about something.
No it happened because people wanted power and to subjugate other people. Separation of church and state certainly did not stop people from doing *that*, that's for sure. So unless you have an anecdote of whoever you're talking about doing such a thing, it really has nothing to do with anything.
No, it happened because people like you allowed religion to filter into government because you thought it was a good thing. You went against the constitution and now you put us in this place.
Separation of church and state has been trampled on throughout our history. I think you mean the rule doesnβt stop it from happening. Both sides did it already for over two hundred years. Both sides argue that itβs ok as long as their side is the one doing it.
Again. Belief and faith are not the issue. Bringing to work when you work in government is the issue. What is good for one is weaponized by another.
I really donβt understand the disconnect from r discourse on this topic. Do we uphold the constitution or argue how it should bend? Bending it cause it to snap.
This entire discussion has made it very clear that Christians, left or right, do not care about the constitution when their faith is involved.
It runs deep and isnβt owned by one faith or political group.
Thatβs a great slippery slope argument. Just look what happened. The separation of powers, and of church and state, were supposed to prevent this from happening. But, if the parties chip away the constitution, even for a good reason, it opens the door for fascism.
That separation of powers was conceived and codified by people of faith. Reason, yes, but also faith.
Faith is not the issue. Praying on the job is the issue.
If someone tells me they have to pray to something I donβt even believe exists to find out how to govern me, I have a huge problem with it.
π― Faith doesnβt require context or knowledge of facts. It requires no reasoning or critical thinking. This is why religion loves common sense.
Etymologically, faith comes from latin fides, meaning fidelity. As in, fidelity to a process: it could be fidelity to empirical science, to the law, to a supernatural deity, or to abstract principles of Reason. When someone is unfaithful to their spouse, they have lacked fidelity in their marriage.
That isnβt how it is used in religious practice in the evangelical churches. I was raised in them and I know. They define and teach faith as blindly following the leader, even if they are harming yourself your others, because itβs godβs plan. Of course itβs only godβs plan if they agree with it.
Thatβs a good reason why one shouldnβt validate their narrow definitions, but maintain a fidelity to etymology.
Iβm really unsure how to speak to the masses without using their definitions. Can you please explain it to me like I know Latin, since I donβt know Latin. π«
All religions also teach the world and all its people are inherently bad and you have to love their one thing to be a decent person. Itβs such a scam. People who still believe it weird me out.
Where do Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism teach that?
Common sense is also void of facts and reason.
No oneβs saying candidates have to be non-theists. Just that faith is a private, personal matter that doesnβt belong in govt. Which is how most of the founders behaved.
People of faith cannot bring themselves to even think about this point of view. The reactions to my post proved my whole point. Their faith comes first. Before our constitution. Before their fellow citizens. Every time.
And they can say they are all they want, but people who react like that are not the βgoodβ Christians.
That's because many of them live in a fear-based vertical morality paradigm, so they're accountable ONLY to their god. The people around them are only relevant insofar as it matters to god.
To a lot of christian extremists, murder isn't wrong because it hurts people, it's wrong because only God has the authority to take life. But if god has granted you that authority (say, under christian nationalism), then it's OK because god said you could.