This is how Hillary was the de facto candidate in 2016

wtf lol

Are you certain the DNC wanted Biden in '20? I seem to recall it was a lot of Black folks, Black women especially, who figured out who the strongest candidate against Trump would be and voted for him.

Sigh. There was zero reason Pete dropped out of the race for certain. Unprecedented in primary history for a candidate in his position to drop out. Hell klobuchar outperformed Biden in all but one state and dropped out. They dropped out in a dnc coordinated effort to beat Bernie. Liz Warren had

far less reason to stay in the race than the two that dropped out. The media then coordinated giving Biden all the media coverage for days on end despite Bernie still being the front runner. News called Bernie’s supported Nazis storming France, and called Bernie political suicide. Absolutely the

DNC put their thumb on the scale for Biden. The pretense otherwise is why people do not trust that party. We saw what happened, we know how this shit plays outs and how insanely anomalous everything was that happened to get Biden the nomination. It was a massive mistake too. We were screaming

We would end up here in 2025 if you all went forward with Biden. And here we are.

Or Dems and those on the left could have acted like those on the right do and just held their nose and backed the party's candidate. The right wanted to win. The left wanted to feel pure. Hope that purity helps the people who are suffering more now.

nonsense. Harris did not lose because of lefties being mad. They do hold their nose and back your disastrous candidates constantly, in overwhelming numbers. Harris lost because too many high school or less educated suburban women in households earning less than $50k in flipped states moved to Trump.

Bernie struggled twice with Black support. Good luck winning the presidency as a Dem if you run a candidate that doesn't do well with a core portion of the Dem base.

Sure. Not arguing against that. Part of it is black primary voter infrastructure is more closely tied with the party operation itself. But that aside, Bernie’s campaign team didn’t understand the older black democrats mindset for sure. He did mop up with young black people though.

As far as black people being the Dem base. It is bad strategy. A majority of the Harris vote in 2024 came from white people. Building your base with a group of people that aren’t even a majority of your voters is probably a bad idea. I propose Instead of focusing on a “base,” focus on a coalition.

I didn't say "the base". I said core portion. Google says 17%. Dems haven't won the White vote since '64. Wonder what happened around that time? Dems have been living a coalition since then. What portion of that 17% percent of the coalition do you want to walk away from to court unreliable voters?

And yes, republicans get more white vote, it remains a majority of the Dem vote is also white. So you think running hard for Republican votes keeps them on board? You think it attracts new black voters to the Democratic Party?

I think running hard for reliable votes matters. Like it or not, folks in the center and right are generally more reliable than the left, esp. the White left, who think they have the privilege to not vote and just bitch, because they didn’t get their way.

And again, what evidence are you basing this white left sitting out narrative. Harris got the same white male vote Biden did and she saw a massive increase with white women in the states that flipped. She lost ground with both black men and women. You are just pushing narratives not backed by data.

The mythical swing voter is a fantasy. Elections tend to be decided by whether people will turn out for democrats or not. There are only a few exceptions, but you don’t very often see a corresponding sharp decline for one party when another surges to a victory. Which is what you would expect if

there was a magical group of voters in the modern context trying to decide between fascists and center right liberals. I know Biden voters that turned on him with nothing changed for them during Covid. He just ran with trumps policies, except he started doing fewer tests. My neighbor was enraged.

Biden got the lost votes of anybody in history. Next cycle democrats don’t work to keep the new voters, they tried to win over Trump voters. It was absurd on its face. There is a reason near 40% of the population does not vote in even presidential cycles.

Biden ran as centrist and governed to the left of his own history. His reward? Being pushed out by the left? Left: Want us to vote? Dump Biden. Dems: Done Left: That wasn't good enough. Sure looked like Lucy with a football.

Because no body rubs for their votes. They are ignored. If nothing you need or stand for is represented in any way, nor does anyone try to win your support how do you think you’d vote? Would you be reliable? Don’t you think running for Republican votes suppresses vote?

As you said before, they have to win by coalition. Successful coalitions aren't successful because everyone agrees with everyone else on everything. Do you really think GOP monied interests think the religious wing is their peer? Members of a coalition use each other to reach a common goal.

Fair enough. My brain skipped core portion for some reason.