Spent the 4th holiday with my MAGA brother. They continue to believe the orange overlord He will do everything he is asked, including turning me and my wife over to ICE.

I had a fight with my MAGA mother, in which she cited Fox News telling her about something she and I had seen was false with our own eyes. She trusts them over her OWN eyes.

It is the power of suggestion They call the news anchor an expert in the field but really her field is drinking a box of wine a day but it has to be true cause she would not lie to us. trump is not even a convicted felon to my brother just more fake news he tells me. Trump is

We believe in what we want to be true. If you don't believe Faux news and she does while watching the same stuff, maybe the problem is not the Faux.

See the thing is it’s not just one belief, they create a whole web of beliefs that only work as a unit together, so she’s not thinking “I have to compare the news and my experience as two equally weighted data points,” rather: “well nothing else I believe makes sense unless the Fox one is right”

Because faux is singing what she likes to hear.

I believe in science. Science knows when to confirm or deny a belief. The difference is education. This is why he is attacking universities right away among his top priorities. Fox is weak mind influencer/ do it with passion, so the suckers born every minute buy into it, hook line and stinker. grift

Just wondering why they want you all, US citizens, to be turned over? What’s the logic there?

My wife is an immigrant. More than that I cannot divulge here.

Sorry Thomas but it’s time to stop associating. I personally know how painful it is but keeping toxic people in our lives is unhealthy. Many families did this during the Civil War, this is worse. I’m happy to help you through it, I have no regrets.

Civil War Shitshow

Nah, thanks but I got this now. Dysfunctional Irish Catholic family I have stopped associating for the most part. There is a lot more to this story you do not know and I cannot expect you to understand it. The pain is one thing, preventing civil war is another. I read the books from the day.

Just the same, you get my follow. Yeah many stories to tell of my family.

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Trump is a brilliant con man. Victims of con men only find out when it affects them personally. It will do. It's a matter of time.

Sounds like my sisters family! We talk on occasion but only about family things.

This is so sad.

Jesus.

Nazi party 2.0

Yes. Down to the Fascist Clown Show of Dumb Incompetents www.newsweek.com/hitler-incom...

Keep it up Lawrence?

Easy to just blame one man -- but it's inaccurate. The problem is the system that allowed the dumb, racist, putrid diaper wearing felon to amass unthinkable executive powers. He had a system that permitted him to rise despite all his deranged ways.

He was in a position to control multiple SC judges. Timing has been bad all around

That wasn’t timing. That was Mitch McConnell, who should be surrounded at all times by people spitting on him and telling him that the only thing he will be remembered for is supporting Donald trump and being an amoral lickspittle who chose power over principles at every possible step.

Yes

When are we going to do something about it?

I don't think the public is pushing back in exactly the right ways that get results. We underestimate our real power in this. For example, marches that simply demonstrate our frustration make zero difference. The system is unresponsive to our needs -- so that doesn't change anything.

Exactly! While protests show that people are frustrated, it's not helping bro produce change. We need to disrupt! We need to interfere. We need to cripple. 🤷🏻

We must organize: ✔️ Massive strikes or a General strike (generalstrikeus.com) ✔️ Collectively stop paying our bills -- all of us, together ✔️ STOP PAYING OUR TAXES Marching around without a demand does nothing. WHAT IS OUR DEMAND?

Do not martyr the cult leader...

right

I've always said that about Hitler too.

The United States's law enforcement chose not to stop him back in the 1980s. The gop chose to ignore warnings in 2016. No matter what the con man does, it's ok with them. OTP vp

That's what I often have to explain to people. In 2016 they told me checks and balances would keep him in line, and now people talk about wanting him unalive. The issue is that he's not the only one. There are too many people just like him. Obama said that he's not the disease, he's the symptom.

The Christo-Fascists had a directive to stop all abortion because they falsely believed the second coming of christ. They knew trump was not christian but they got into bed with him and the party they hijacked. Now we got all the militia deputized to hunt down quotas measured in human heads.

And yet, sadly look at where the USA finds itself today under the rule of an Orange Imbecile.

Reading the Henry Miller books led me to Anias Nin

And yet…

People believe the purpose of DOGE was to eliminate waste, fraud and abuse. The real purpose was to eliminate a standing defense against fraud and abuse. Hitler eliminated Germany's democratic government operations when he came into power, too. He took it down & replaced it with his own government.

So true!

Sounds familiar!!

At daughter and son in law yesterday (magas). Had a trump Vance 2024 kaga sign over the back door, and many wearing maga hats and shirts. It was me and one other couple. We put in a certain amount of time and left. I raised my kid better. But the handsome face and a maga family turned her….

I was pregnant with her when I went to a march in celebration of Roe v Wade, FFS!

The proof I gave her would not change hers. Finally I told her that if she buys merch from any of these concentration camps, it will ruin our relationship because I cannot be around someone that supports that level of inhumane cruelty. She said she doesn't plan on buying it but we'll see.

Heather, they are hopeless. My 96 yr old mom is a magat, and when he won in ‘16 I asked her why. We grew up in NY and the news was always about how scuzzy and corrupt he was/is. Her reply: “I don’t care what he did before. He hates the same people I do!”

That sums up the MAGA cult

Exactly right. MAGA to a tee.

I cannot get that far with my brother, we spent a solid 30 minutes on the Gulf of Mexico and how Mexico is part of North AMERICA! He cannot get over it and says we are America and Canada is not part of America, well not yet anyway, but will be soon, you'll see. trump will get 3rd term cause Biden

You will never get them to see the truth. Fox has pounded them with lies and they’re now in a cult. My mom, hubby’s sister and my daughter and her whole husbands family are maga. You can’t reason. They’re incapable of seeing reality. They turn it around and say WE ARE not living in reality!

I went back and forth with her about so many vile things Dump is doing including Aligator Alcatraz, providing video and documented proof away from the Fox News lies she spewed back at me in support of him. Ultimately she told me that she doesn't know what she can say to change my mind but all of...

I'm so sorry. I totally empathize though because most of my family are MAGAts including my mom. I fought with her on the 4th due to Dump announcing he was going to bring a UFC fight to the WH lawn after just cutting healthcare and food assistance for the vulnerable to feed the elk m wealthy.

That's supposed to be feed the wealthy.

I understood… 😃

Everything happening now parallels 1930's Germany. Get a history book and just replace "Germany" with "USA"

They would cut their own throats if he asked.

Is it effecting them yet? Maybe when it does they will change?

So why spend time with them?

yeah, life is a delicate balance. I am, for the most part, estranged from the MAGA siblings. My one sisters kids (now in their midlife years) are cool. She still stays neutral. My other sister and my one brother are nuts and her kids are MAGA. She also has my mother. My mother deserves better.

One brother is left. Votes Dem I believe altho might have voted Jill Stein back when?! My parents are Dems now. I made sure they weren’t corrupted by my other brother and sister. They are not MAGA but voted Trump cuz they believe right wing media… strained relationships with them.

its like once or twice a year maybe, New Years at the cemetery in The Bronx, a wedding or a funeral, and the once a year BBQ at a family house. Other than that I ignore them all.

Blood is thicker than the water of the womb, your family is the community to choose to live in

Time to cut ties with the immoral

Why did you spend the 4th with him?

I had the duty to pick him up and bring him to my niece who was hosting a big family get together. All good though cause we got word my sister would not be showing up to stir the pot. He is a learning disabled brother and I have not seen him in over a year. Once a year is enough. right? civil war?

This is so unfortunate. Be brave.

Yeah. I used to have a brother...the dude can wallow in his pathetic, amoral, hatefilled existence without me. I don't break bread with. fascists

My birth parents were Trump Supporters My sister and I had a horrible childhood

I can't even talk to my brother and his family. They wash up in cool aid every night

I am sorry to hear that and for you to suffer it

That is one of the reasons I no longer have contact with my brother.