All accurate. But an example of Dems making the same mistake in less than one year. This is a losing issue for Dems. We may feel justified for defending the undocumented, but mark my words, if this continues, don’t cry over another red wave at the voting booth
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No. I will never ever support the dehumanization of people, regardless of “political expediency.” I won’t participate in the right’s cruelty Olympics. If you start with the idea that you can just mistreat this one group and pretend everything is ok, you’ve sold your soul.
Just as a reminder about near history, since you seem to have forgotten, the Democrats last year tried to fund the most repressive border security bill of all time—one that initially included all of the GOP asks. Not…the thing you’re saying. That didn’t happen.
The trolls are creeping in here as well.
And then they were shocked that some Latino voters were like, “yeah, well maybe Trump will fix egg prices, neither of these guys give a shit about me.” That’s what actually happened.
Reminder? How’s thinking there’s no difference between the two parties working for you these days? OMG!
That’s not remotely what I said. What I said was that Kamala Harris’s position on immigration was not “defend the undocumented.” It was “I will pass the border security bill that we negotiated in Congress and fund 1,500 new border security officers.”
You are lying about the Democratic position in 2024. Kamala Harris did not take the position you claim. You made that up.
Here’s your reminder of what actually happened.
It’s the limp and milquetoast refusal to have principles or stand for anything that makes people hate and distrust Democrats. It’s the whole “but what if doing good things has bad optics, hmm?” smarmy nonsense that keeps losing them elections. Believe in SOMETHING, damn it. Stand for something!
In 1918 you would've been on the side of, "Now is not the time to fight for suffrage. It's bad politically."🤣
Sorry, but don’t be daft. We just got CRUSHED by a dumb carnival barking cunt. When WE should have crushed them. Apparently the dumb cunt knows more than you…..Does not take Rocket Science to get uninformed people to vote against their own interests.
Yeah but that's a skill issue, Harris is incompetent and Biden was a man on the verge of death, who disgusted and appalled millions of the people they needed to vote for them in an election due to their support for Israeli genocide.
I strongly disagree on all counts. Fighting against Trump's fascist attacks on migrants isn't a mistake--it's a political and moral necessity. And even if I accepted the idea that winning requires throwing migrants under the bus (and I do not, to be clear), that would be an utterly pyrrhic victory
It's morally imperative to stand up to this cruelty, and the stakes are as high as they can be. T is enacting the plan he wanted to carry out on J6, but that General Milley prevented - the mobilization of military power behind him as a person to use for his own purposes, as a dictator.
You have a plan to end the cruelty?
Nope, but public pressure matters. Van Hollen helped get Abrego-Garcia back to the U.S. b/c many don't want the Constitution suspended. They don't like court orders flouted or for Stephen Miller to tell ICE to stop going after criminals. They don't like it when we deport kids who are U.S. citizens.
I will stand by what I’ve been saying. This only ends when we kick the enabling SCUM out of Congress.
I'm not objecting to voting out bad politicians.
There is just enough people who think like us. Need to think of our civic environment. Sparsely populated red states have two senators too.
There are millions more who think like us but don't vote. Convince THEM to do as you do. Fuck pleasing fascist kool-aid drinkers. We ain't never gonna convince them today's immigrants (not the same as their own family's immigration story🤷🏻♂️) deserve to be treated as human beings. Stop trying.✌🏻
If they thought half of how we thought, they would have voted. Sorry people, but wipe the clouds from your eyes and see the forest through the trees.
What other disfavored minorities do you think it’s okay to dehumanize & violate for the “greater good?” Understand, that’s what we hear you saying. And we find it unconscionable. It’s not a question of “does everyone get what they want?” It’s a question of “does everyone get to be a human being?”
A testimonial that you are missing the point. You can convince yourself that I am dehumanizing minorities. The fact is I care more about them than you. Seems like you don’t understand we can’t help them if we lose elections.
I understand your point clearly. I just disagree with it & refuse to privilege your point over: - My point & my morality - Dignity of disfavored minorities You’re asking me to favor your view over my own. You haven’t convinced me. But I’m open to a thoughtful argument that respects civil liberties.
I can’t make my point when you cannot see the big picture. 99% of the responses to my post are accusing me of being MAGA. Please understand our political environment. We need to win in swing states or this nightmare DOES NOT END.
This is the last time I’m going to say this to you: People disagreeing with your viewpoint does *not* mean we do not understand your argument or your view of what the big picture is. I understand you. It’s not that complicated! I understand you and believe you are wrong.
This is an op. Blue MAGA are stupid, but this one is just MAGA cosplaying as a Dem.
What a bad take. And you are stupid.
You’re struggling to even speak like an American. Come on, you can do better than this, you daft cunt.
The “illegal aliens” phrasing in the profile is the dead giveaway
Yep. Scrolling that lunatic’s timeline is crazy. Spends more time watching Fox than MSNBC, for sure.
Exactly. The fascist talking points here are just being spoken by fascists. They are very bad at hiding it.
Also overuses words like "daft" and "cunt" probably not even American
Who are we going to throw under the bus next, just to appease Republicans? LGBTQ+ folks? Oh wait, that's already happening.
Every poll ever shows you’re wrong. In a vague, general sense Americans want tougher immigration policies. When asked about anything cruel, they are against it. They’re against raids at schools, they’re against ending asylum, against deporting children, etc. etc.
It’s also just morally imperative to resist this evil, period.
Absolutely. At a certain point you have to stop putting your finger to the wind to see which way the polls are running and just do the right thing.
A moral necessity, but a humongous political mistake. Sorry, but winning over people who you despise is the only way this ends. That is the reality of the situation.
This protest is not *about* democrats trying to win people over. It is angelenos demanding ice get the fuck out of town. Plus, the Harris campaign WAS trying to "win people over". That didn't work. Have some principles. You're afraid to defend immigrants because of an election in a year and a half?
Actually you are wrong on multiple points: * Winning over MAGA is not possible. You can't uncult those who have culted.🤷🏻♀️ * Win over the 38% of voters who didn't vote because they think both parties are corrupt.🤷🏻♀️ * Throwing Palestine under the bus cost Dems votes. Don't do the same w/immigrants.
immediate block of the blueberry concern troll. Byeeeee
That's not the only way this ends. Being a Nazi appeaser or collaborator is a choice you can make but is one I'll never make.
You call people “illegal aliens” in your profile. You are a bigot.
This is an op, a bot, or a genuine idiot. In any case, report it and block.
Sorry, you’re fucking wrong
You suck grill yourself
Where are national Democrats defending the undocumented? They tried to pass a wildly strict border security bill under biden. They’re not defending the undocumented. Lol Unless you’re talking about Democratic voters in which case, “Be worse people” is not a winning message.
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Like 2020?
Also, it took an old moderate Dem. to do it. That still holds.
We should be winning by landslides, every election. There are more of us than them.
Maybe this paranoia and moderation is why "we" aren't turning out. Because these swing voters you're worrying about punishing dems for Trump's 2020 and 2025 disturbances are already voting GOP inasmuch as they exist at all.
Oh they certainly exist. Ronald Reagan knew it, Rush Limbaugh knew it, Fox News knows it, Joe Rogan knows it and I know it.
Reagan/Limbaugh/Fox/Rogan voters aren't swing voters, those are just Republicans.
That's not true. Even in my Blue State there are hordes of un-affiliated people who will never vote Dem because of immigration and crime. Have you ever had a talk with your plumber?!!
if they will never vote for a democrat, then they will never vote for a democrat and attempting to persuade them to do so is futile
We have no choice but to try to get them to vote Dem. That means meeting them, in person. And yes, going on their dumb fox news and podcasts they watch. We do not have knee jerk issues to bait them with. It will take effort.
well, I don't know who your idea of "we" is sure ain't me fixing human ignorance is a long game; i have no need for your club
Never said anything about fixing them. Just need their vote. We? If you want to see Trump and his enablers out of here, that’s who.
"We don't do well with white guys" Okay, then let's see how we can get the other 70% of America on our side to add to the 1/3 of white guys who *will* listen to reason.
I do his taxes. Any rate, these riots didn't happen with Biden. They happened under Trump before, now Trump's back and he's starting more fed riots.
i mean lots of protests happened under biden and were met with federal opposition
The optics they're whining about, the fires, the soldiers in the streets, less so. Federalized Nat Guard? Untrained Marines?
bsky.app/profile/altn... like this
The problem is, they're programmed not to absorb this information. There's no mail slot to fit it through into their brains. Just more lib lies. We need to turn out nonvoters/pissed off leftists. And demonstrating against Trump's 40% approval snatch & grab program is not a loser for that.
You should have known this would happen if he won. Plus all the other despicable Orders and changes in policies than are SHOCKING!
Let's think about the various pillars of power that are propping up the authoritarian regime. Our goal in nonviolent resistance is to undermine them. We can isolate the authoritarian leaders. We can divide them from each other and from their supporters. commonslibrary.org/power-mappin...
in your bio you say progressives' core values are under attack and then you recommend that they abandon their core values
Dude we’re like 3 lines into that poem and it’s not a long poem.
Delete your account now.
No its not you ignorant fuck. Fuck you
Why the cursing, you know I am right?
You're wrong.
It’s never a mistake to standup against fascism.
We stand up by winning in ‘26 and kicking the enabling scum out of Washington. This is a war and that’s the reality. SEE IT!!
The electoral prospects of our class enemies is a concern for me that pales in comparison to the prospect of a neo-Nazi staffed rape gang abducting my neighbors
This is a war. Losing the purple states in ‘26 is not an option. This is the reality. See it!!!!
Here's a thought. Shut the fuck up. Log the fuck off, delete your piss baby account, and get the fuck off the internet. I ain't fucking with you people anymore.
I am against: - brutalizing unarmed citizens - violent state overreach - shredding our social compact - actively seeking to harm governance and safety in blue cities and if that is a 'mistake', then its the politics that need changing, not the protests.
I have said NOTHING to rationally conclude I am not against those points. I am a 64 year old NY’er While most people here were wishing they could be contestants on the Apprentice. I was throwing up. This ends one way, politically. And if we can’t win Congress in ‘26, we are FUCKED. WTFU!