Because that was the only factual error in the show?
Because that was the only factual error in the show?
It’s not an error, it’s accurate
Fair point 😀
My wife's response: "You should figure out if there were more than 103 at time of taping to determine if they were actually just trying to communicate to an audience that would know better that Sunnydale High is actually underfunded since the mayor is a demon and wants just to eat the class"
Buffy and a periodic table. Right up my street. Is that Amy?
It is, as played by Elizabeth Anne Allen. Amy had an interesting character development on Buffy - first as a victim, then an ally, then an antagonist, and finally a full on enemy.
Thank you for your service. There is always a panic when periods are missing.
The only explanation is that the influence of the Hellmouth prevents some elements from forming and thus this table is perfectly accurate. Otherwise it would mean I'm getting old, which is impossible.
One of the few things I remember from high school classrooms. I still would have though 103 was accurate because things stick like that. Look even if we were taught incomplete science, we at least got taught it without being told it's from Satan.
Might just be current day but in a state where all the woke elements have been banned from schools.
I'm so old, this is the PE table I had in my classroom
This is something that some folk don't know about Buffy - it was a mid-season replacement, season 1 is only 12 episodes. It was filmed in 1996 and aired in 1997, so in this episode the cheerleader trials were shown as being for 1996, so it was already anachronistic by the time it went out.
You MUST be friends with Phil Plait.
Am I going to haul this #FunFact out every time I see Buffy from now on? Yes, yes I am.
we must also consider that schools don't update these posters as frequently as they, perhaps, should
I can confirm! Especially for classrooms that are not teaching chemistry. My bio, earth sci, physics, and env sci courses over the years did just fine without those fancy, schmancy new elements! Yes, I would add the new elements with post it notes.
Just verified my age by instantly thinking of Mike Rutherford with a double-neck guitar instead of the eponymous Kiwi baryon-botherer.
I just verified my age by understanding your reference. 🤣
I am *slightly* younger than Supper's Ready but only slightly!
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My son used to be obsessed with the periodic table when he was in elementary school. He used to wear t-shirts with the table on them (not fandom-based cutesy tables, but the legit table).
There were 106 when I was made to learn the whole table in school. I never did memorise more than the first 10 or so lol
I am so old that Jupiter only had 9 moons when I learned about the solar system. Imagine my surprise when my kids started learning about the solar system.
Worth considering: while the periodic table in a school may be periodically accurate in regarding the science at the time, it may not be periodically accurate regarding the periodic tables hanging in chronically underfunded schools at the time
How many are natural and how many only synthesised using radiation? Is the proportion still about 90% 'natural'?
About 90-94 elements occur naturally. So around the 80% mark now.
"period accurate," lol
Talk about carbon dating
Lawrencium is my go-to answer in the chemistry rounds on Pointless because it was last in the table when I was at school
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Plutonium is gonna "not a real element" your whole town away if you disrespect it like that!
Sir. This post is deeply offensive.
But it's a school, those are always way out of date. My 80s primary school had one from the 40s, everything past Uranium was blank.
If it's from the forties, uranium is also in the wrong position
Oh probably. We had 'science' textbooks that had 3 exclusive states of matter: dead, alive or never-alive. Viruses were alive, rocks were never-alive, etc. It wasn't a good school, it got shut down while my younger sister was still there.
Not knowing that Actinoides are analogous to Lanthanoides is one of the reasons why it took so long to discover fission once the neutron was discovered...
So it was correct for that period though you're saying?
It’s not quite up to date, but I’d give them a pass on it. Element 103, lawrencium, had been confirmed and added but it was also disputed and would be reconfirmed in 1997 after the show. So it may be a pre-1971 table, but I’d say it’s close enough to correct.
#Archeology #CarbonDating
You're living on the edge
I look forward to the day they finally add the element of surprise.
These are the only ones of which the news has come to Sunnydale...
… there may be many others but we’ve not received the email
Excellent.
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I got an uneasy feeling too when I heard this distressing news.
"If, after hearing my songs, just one human being is inspired to say something nasty to a friend, or perhaps to strike a loved one, it will all have been worth the while."
I do the same thing with maps. Particularly of Europe. I try to see if the countries match the period of the film or tv show. Yugoslavia or Balkan states is a good marker.
Reminds me of this excellent cartoon xkcd.com/1688/
Love it! “How many Germanys are there?”
But wouldn't it also be accurate for schools to have an outdated periodic table?
It's modestly outdated - Rutherfordium didn't get its formal name until 1997, but the lack of elements 108+ being there at all suggests it's probably from the early 80s.
A little outdated is fine, 103 elements puts that table as being from the 60s or 70s.
Outdated is fine, ones from the future are (usually) not.
Horrifying factoid – the entire first season of Buffy is now closer in time to the Apollo 11 Moon landing than it is to today.
Horrifying indeed😱
Why would you do this to us!
15 elements we were doing perfectly well without! What are these new-fangled ones then? Instagrammium? Tesloid? Trumpanium? 🙄
Well, Ununoctium, that's me. And BS would absolutely not be the same without me Sir.
I'm holding out for Kvetchtonium.
I'm not the rarest, but I'm the latest ^^ When is this new guest expected ? ^^
I wouldn't say I do this with EVERY show, but I'll admit that I've done it...periodically.
That just means, I'd understand chemistry even less now.
Chemistry-wise the only thing you have to know about the new elements is that it's not really possible to do chemistry with them. They are created in infinitesimal quantities that immediately disintegrate.
How do you know the school system wasn’t just under funded and they didn’t update it yet? I think the writers were doing this on purpose to expose societal priorities.
I’m saying it’s accurate. There were only 103 named element then. It’s not stylistic choice. Additional elements wouldn’t be added for another year.
I was not being serious
Some of those elements, of course, existed for only the tiniest fractions of a second which is still longer than any suggestions of Wheedon being involved in the reboot have lasted.
Will we ever get to see the mooted *reboot*? Will we ever want to?
They have been announcing casting lately, so it's on the way.
Modified rapture.
Second reboot.
”I don’t think he knows about second reboot, Pip.”
lmao
There are probably high schools with outdated periodic tables still up.
While not an image of the table but somehow related given Tom passed recently. youtu.be/AcS3NOQnsQM?...
This means there are 15 new elements since I took high school chemistry, and I both hate that and think it’s a perfect illustration of why we all need to keep learning even after we’re out of school.
You are a geek of the highest order and I love it!! 🤓
Elementary, my dear doctor!
Do you track them in a spreadsheet - do you have a periodic table period table?
I have many periodic table spreadsheets 😅
Stranger sliding in to applaud and appreciate this hobby. The pedantic nerd in me salutes the pedantic nerd in you.
If I could change the periodic table, I would put uranium and iodine together.
i'm fvcking methuselah
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Honestly, the poster where I went was that one. The teacher was that old. Just didn't update it.
Life is Strange used the post 2016 table for a game set in 2010. It's kinda impressive that they got this wrong, IUPAC updated the table while they were working on the game.
Also, if we are being accurate, it is likely a school could be using an old table.
One of the weird things about being in high school in the early 90s is that a lot of our school's outdated world maps became relevant again.
I’d say it’s early 80s but it’s pretty up to date.
I only pause those shows to see if they are correct.... periodically.
It is a thankless job, but someone has to do it.
my husband spotted this framed table in a powerplant lab (unused for a while) at his job about 4 years ago. 103 elements!
You'd have to open the character's iPhone app now, though.
As Tom Lehrer sang: And chlorine, carbon, cobalt, copper, tungsten, tin and sodium These are the only ones of which the news has come to Harvard And there may be many others but they haven't been discovered
I absolutely love the geekery in this. Have you seen series or films where the table was inaccurate? Do you name and shame them?
ditto.
A fav inaccurate one is Stranger Things, it’s set in 1983 but has Livermorium which was discovered in 2000 and added officially to the table in 2012
Brilliant!!
Hmmph, they should have used the money they spent on getting the kerning in the intro right to get this right instead.
I lived in Livermore in the 90s. Did not know this.
I recognise the expertise here, but some of us were still arguing with colleagues that we should spell sulfur with an F, not because of some imagined US cultural imperialism, but because that's what the IUPAC globally agreed decades ago 🥴
Oh really!
Ha
I feel very… dumb at this moment. 😉😂
Thank you for your service, Jamie.
So, what approximately is the half-life of a periodic table? Seems critical to know if we're doing radiometric dating; or in this case TVmetric?
I love this level of Geekery so much!!!
Buffy film or the TV show?
My mom was a chem teacher and would have LOVED this
A man needs a hobby
A compilation showing several of these screenshots with info on year of production and year of the period table would actually be awesome
hah! Buffy came back, "not right".
@caulimovirus.bsky.social I suspect you might have to update your singing from med school.
Can you explain this to me please? My understanding from school was we knew all the elements, we just hadn't discovered them all.
There are 90 odd elements that occur naturally and all have been discovered. The rest are artificially created. Elements are only allowed on the table when it’s been externally verified that they have been observed. So we add a new element at a rate of about 1 every 2 years.
Thanks, very interesting.
THIS is how I learn that the periodic table CHANGES??
Neeeeeeeerrrrrrd ❤️
was waiting for you to say one of the elements was named after Buffy
Buffy came out in 1997 and we would have had 112 then, right? Probably just had an old table.
According to Wikipedia 103 when show started in 1997. 6 elements added DURING show's run (upto 2003) So while Buffy started with 103 named elements; elements 104–106 (Rutherfordium, Dubnium, Seaborgium) & 107–112 were in various stages of discovery, naming / recognition. bsky.app/profile/gilg...
But also according to wikipedia, they were up to Hassium in 1997...
"Subject to confirmation by the union's members at a meeting in Geneva next August [1997], these will be the names of the six new elements: Element 104, Rutherfordium (symbol Rf); ... Element 108, Hassium (symbol Hs), bol Mt)."
Really thank you finding the actual article from 1997. I didn't know it was available online.
Meitnerium (Mt), Hassium (Hs) & Bohrium (Bh) were officially recognized in 1997 but synthesised earlier: 82, 84 & 76 respectively, giving us '106' identified elements. My assumption is that set designers used the table that was most accessibly up-to-date for them. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassium
Chemists vs Art Directors. Fight.
This is the content I come online to find.
I LOVE noticing the background PSAs and posters in Buffy… “Cyber Space”
That show is so old, American schools taught science...
Now they're more like that episode where the parents tried to burn their kids alive for being smart and gay... I mean for being witches
But Buffy isn't gay — unless you count the "just good friends" she had with Faith before Faith turned evil...
Nah, the show's so up to date that the school is broke enough it can't afford a modern periodic table.
wait have they managed to name ununoctium finally?
Don't make me feel so old!
My girl Amy
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Running through this show for the first time. On s6.
Same, but on S1. I’ll see how far I get 😅
It gets better after season 1
If the poster ca 1997 was up to date it should have had more. But i makes sense that it would be a few years old. That school had bigger issues then outdated learning supplies.
I am not sure the school inspectors would take that as an excuse. If they survived their visit.
102 in here open.spotify.com/track/3lOqnA...
I'm so old the first Periodic Table I came to know only went up to Californium.
Do you do this…periodically?
“Evolution” had 109
Oh, some occasional new additions? I guess over the last thirty years there have been....periodic updates
Well done.
It's important to have a hobby and I am big fan of the heavily personalized ones.
Our high school learning charts were all a minimum of 15 years old. Buffy’s being accurate to the year she was in suggests the school was as upper-middle-class as it the kids’ wardrobes suggested.
This is from season 1, episode 3, filmed in 1996. It could have had element 111 on it and still be accurate for the period. 103 was first detected in the sixties.
Thought the discovers had been made they weren’t recognised on the table by iupac until 1997.
I believe it was there since 1971, but they only settled the dispute about who actually discovered it in ‘97?
I suspect that scene demonstrates the age of their prop house - there were more 6d elements discovered and named when Buffy was filmed. That said, we had a lot of old lecture rooms with similarly out of date tables.
Not sure why Bohrium isn’t there but I think that’s the only error. It would change pretty radically 18 months later though.
Given when the show was filmed, I would be impressed if element 118 appeared but then disappeared in later episodes. And not from radiative decay.
You could say its period accurate.
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Tom Lehrer (RIP) sings them all. All there were… youtu.be/AcS3NOQnsQM?...
Boy I hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
I loved spotting this. Nothing better than spotting a nerdy flaw.
Another thing was the lights on their bikes. While battery powered lights did exist back then, it would be unlikely all the kids would have them, they’d probably have a “dynamo” or “bottle generator”powering their lights.
bringing back memory i had forgotten i possessed wow
That’s interesting, hadn’t thought about it. Most shows set in the past use flashlights that are too bright if filmed now
This one is a weird anachronism that isn't even an anachronism, so much as it is way harder to film low-light convincingly, now that our cameras are so much better at low-light filming. When your base ISO is, I dunno, 800, and the film stock from the time was 120, or whatever,
all of the toy incandescent tungsten bulbs on C (or D) batteries are going to look like Mag lights. On the upside, it allows forest scenes to be sufficiently lit, without burning copious amounts of diesel, and without the same degree of fire hazard.
For awhile I was convinced this was some sort of clue 😬
Many years ago I spent long nights thinking that the human population numbers in the opening credits of the third season or so of Battlestar Galactica would, when compared, yield the identity of the final cylons. So I know your pain.
Wow I had no idea this number had changed since I was in high school. Thank you.
Humans have added roughly (very roughly) one element every two years over the past 150 years.
Very cool to know that. I basically understood that the ones at the end/edge (?) were recent and sort of experimental or lab-based (versus something you find in the forest) but I didn't leave school with a sense of "watch this space, there will always be more" - maybe I'd seen once or twice?
I read Dava Sobel's book on Dr. Mme. Marie Sklodowska Curie and seeing the new elements be noted was an absolutely joy.
No, we are Making America Great Again & we only had 103 elements when I America was last great, so there you have it!
my dad was a chemistry enthusiast so had his periodic chart from uni mounted in the house, and my mum would carefully letter in the new elements as they were discovered in the empty boxes of the 7th row
That’s so sweet. ❤️
To be fair: my prior school had a seriously old-school periodic table (the ones that rolled down like a projector screen) and we’d paste on new elements as they came along. For us, it was a was good way to show science is always developing.😎 Peace!
LetterKenny is an amazingly funny show, and i say that as an irishman married to a mainer from the u.s. She confirmed, yep thats actually how it is. 😅
118 is such a nice round number for it too. Completely fills out the space on the bottom right. I remember the one in my classroom going that far in the 2010s, but with only provisional names because nobody had synthesised them yet.
buffying
Also, since this is a post Prop 13 public high school, they probably couldn't afford to update the poster.
@cynthia-1960.bsky.social, who introduced me to BtVS and is a chemist, needs to see this.
I think we were well past 103 elements by 1997, when Buffy premiered. Obviously Principal Snyder was too stingy to pay for updated periodic tables. (I too nitpick period accuracy on TV shows. My particular obsession is shows set in the 80s which assume desktop computer were common.)
Hey, blame where blame is due. Principal Flutie was still principal during this episode. He doesn't get eaten until episode 6.
Also it was filmed in 1996 and this episode shows the cheerleader trials as being for the 1996 academic year. Buffy season 1 was a 12-episode half-length season aired as a midseason replacement starting in early 1997. There are one or two other details which reveal it as 1996 if you can spot them
Good Lord, I'd completely forgotten about Flutie. I only did one watch of Season 1, and that was a *long* time ago. If I were a bit more of a fan, I'd prepare a list of all the absurd ways the weird deaths of characters are explained away ("Wild dogs got into his office").
My TV toxic trait is the opposite, watching old things and noticing how the world has changed based on little details like this. In an early X-Files episode, Scully drags an huge 80s desktop computer with her on mission, it takes up the entire trunk of the car, and Mulder thinks it’s weird.
What toxic trait? THE HISTORICAL MISREPRESENTATION OF TECHNOLOGY ON TV MUST STOP!
He was more focused on profits.
Yup. Copernicum (112) was first synthesized in 1996, but not named until 2009.
The claim that it *had* been synthesized wasn't recognized until 2009. So it wouldn't have been on any periodic tables before Sunnydale was destroyed in 2003.
The school districts were too stingy to pay for updated science posters... but we NEED a new football stadium, peak 1990s
Well, the reality is that this was the prop that happened to be in the 20th Century warehouse. But it's more fun to blame it on one of my favorite TV villains, as played by one of my favorite TV actors.
But this episode is from the first season, when the school was under Principal Flutie
That's peak ALWAYS though
Buffy: 1997 Lawrencium: 1961 Public schools using out-of-date instructional material: always and forever An up-to-date chart would have included copernicum 112, though it wasn't named that until 2009. (h/t Wikipedia)
I came here to say this but with leas detail. Good work.
How many more in the same amount of time post 118? I predict 4
Good question. The rate will be slower for sure. 1997 was a bonanza for elements getting added. And we need to go on to a whole new period now.
I'll be deep in the cold ground before I recognise Missouri Wait
... talking of which, I only discovered within the past half hour that Tom Lehrer added an extra verse to The Elements for 103-118, just five years ago: tomlehrersongs.com/the-elements/
Cool.
That’s the movie isn’t it?
It’s season 1 episode 3, the woman is the witch that wants to be a cheerleader
Ah! Thanks!
I was gonna say "this doesn't look like SMG"
This reminds me of the guy that can date when a globe is made by looking at what countries were called.
We love you for this, Jamie!
"Period accurate"
Now, this level of spoterism is something I can appreciate.
"Period" accurate? I see what you did there.
Elements 103 to 118 added by Tom Lehrer in 2020 Copernicium, meitnerium, nihonium, moscovium, Rutherfordiuim, seaborgium, roentgenium, flerovium, Darmstadtium, lawrencium, oganesson, livermoriuim, And tennessine and hassium and dubnium and bohrium. tomlehrersongs.com/the-elements/
Element 104 was still called kurchatovium when I first heard about it...
In 1993 I was doing a summer internship at GSI in Darmstadt, Germany, and witnessed the naming party for elements 107 to 109. Even number 110 was recognized by the IUPAC before filming for Buffy started in 1995. So, they could have been a little bit more up to date …
It might have been widely accepted, but wasn’t official until 1997 old.iupac.org/reports/1997... Approval of 110 wasn’t until 2003
Plus, from my recollection of 90s high school, it would be more realistic for them to still be using a periodic table poster printed some time in the 1960s or 70s.
Brilliant
Are they periodically wrong?
whats the tally between tom lehrer and now? I think i once heard it was in the 20s, but now im wondering if that is super low.
There's a Periodic Table in the Blue Prince and even though the game is meant to be set in vaugley the 80s, it's a modern Periodic Table. Yes it bothered me.
I mean that's an especially egregious case, since that game is all about obsessing over the details. Indeed, having said that, I'm now wondering if that isn't a clue to some time travel shenanigans...
I don't think earth has that name, those continents, two moons, those planets, that language, or those entirely alternate socioeconomic nationalities, history, and governments. Something tells me it's not a mistake. ;)
How many elements were known when Predator two came out and the woman used a mass spectrometer to analyse the arrow head and declare 'it's an unknown element!"
Glad i don’t do that - just started re-watching Breaking Bad. The whole 5 seasons set over a one year period.
Surely schools don’t update their periodic table every time a new element is discovered?
My high school build new lab science classrooms a couple years before I took chem and our tables were reasonably up to date. Definitely newer than Buffy’s even though I was taking chem when Buffy was on. I assume they get replaced when the old ones wear out or the classrooms get new tech.
I work in a contract chemistry company- our offices were painted last week. I took down a periodic table that’s been there as long as I have used that office (15 years) To be fair, we generally don’t use seaborgium very often.
I assume that’s the reason most schools don’t update them that often. Nihonium is not coming up that much in 10th grade.
The chart appears to show 109 elements, which would have been period-accurate for the 90s through 2003 of the movie and series.
It is pretty accurate, but there are only 103 named elements. There are another 4 unnamed elements. The table changes practically radically in 1997 when a several named elements are confirmed. Only thing that puts it a little out of date is missing Bohrium added in 80s.
Of course it's "period accurate", what did you expect.
lol. What a horrible show. I'm glad I did not watch when it aired It looks even ugly now! 🤮
It seems like more work to get an inaccurate periodic table than an accurate one, what a weird choice for them to make!
Thank you for your service.
Does that count as age verification?
Love this level of nerdiness.
You should get out more.
I did my Chemistry O Level in 1982 and I think we went up to Rutherfordium in the textbooks but knew there was more recent stuff. Rutherfordium was discovered the year before I was born. This should qualify as my Bluesky age verification.
We just finished filling in the actinides 4 years before I was born.