Personally I'm not OK on a practical level with trying to proxy other demographics as Trump voters, but I get @rev-avocado.bsky.social's moral logic here, and wrt endless reprisals: there was a political system set up to arbitrate disputes, and they chose to reject and break it! What's left?
There are plenty of *specific, identifiable people* who have committed crimes and should be punished. I reject the notion of enemy populations a priori; the other path leads to people saying shit like “we are justified in starving Gazan children bc their parents voted for Hamas”
Hence why I said on a practical level that I'm uncomfortable with proxying stuff like this, it's inevitably going to get innocent and blameless people caught in the net.
I think it is probably good to be uncomfortable about this stuff. I am not, but as Bill said, I'm in a pretty dark place. They put me here, and until they stop trying to destroy my family, I don't know if it'll be possible for me to leave.
I hear you and it is one of the many battles we are waging - to keep hold of our own goodness in the face of a lot of evil. and they really don't deserve our souls on top of everything else they are taking.
Bro do you want to talk later? Is this something more than just the general news?
Stressful day, but no mostly the general news. The steady buildup of disasters and the looming ones that are inexorably coming are rolling in my chest.
Yeah, I'm not doing well either.
These people are demons.
This is true in a general moral sense, but at a certain point you lose the agency to make those types of distinctions anymore. At a certain point it’s effectively just an enemy army and the only choice left is them or you.
Israelis would say they literally are faced with an enemy army and the choice is me or you. I hate maga but they have not October 7thed my family
Israeli propaganda is nigh indistinguishable from shit that would be posted in Der Stürmer, it's very Goebbelsesque, only rightwing monsters or imperialist-brainwashed dupes support it.
They would if they could.
They are also visibly and aggressively building the capabilities and consent to do so.
They call me and my family invaders. They are already kidnapping people every day.
The Israelis are the ones with all the guns and all the money and diplomatic recognition, and therefore they have vastly more moral agency to make these types of calls than the Palestinians (which they used to commit genocide) Suffice to say, Democrats are not the Israelis in this analogy.
Not really. Gazans didn't vote to starve Gazan children, that's something non-Gazans are imposing on them.
The equivalent metaphor re Gaza would be allowing Hamas to govern Gaza after Gazans voted for Hamas.
If this were limited to “we’re not bailing you out,” fine. But rev is saying something much harsher than that, which is we should hope they die out
Did Gazans deserve to be ruled by Hamas? No. Did they choose it that one time? Yes. I fully support rural Republicans having opportunities to change their minds and vote to be governed differently, which is unfortunately not an opportunity Gazans ever had.
