I treat them as self-interested humans who correctly see that since 60s the Dem Party generally hasn't represented the interests of non-wealthy people. If you think rural whites in toto are too irredeemably racist to choose, say Sanderism over Trumpism, I don't know what the fuck you're doing here.
You're not wrong about the Democratic Party (or at least its leadership since roughly the 80s). But it isn't like the Republican Party has represented any interests of non-wealthy people that aren't entirely driven by spite.
I think @rev-avocado.bsky.social is just trying to live his life in a city, and these people have voted against that for some reason (that reason being spite). It's natural to feel some resentment over that. I certainly do!
I'm worried constantly that my family will be destroyed because they're out here trying to de-naturalize immigrants.
Who is they? The mounting fascist movement is led by Ivy educated billionaires. If you want to protect your family, nuke Silicon Valley and the White House.
1) those Ivy educated billionaires are powerless without the backing of millions of “they” 2) no one’s defending the Ivy educated billionaires or Silicon Valley here. There’s plenty of blame to go around.
Ok, but this fixation on rural areas is strange and telling given that so much Trump/fascist support comes from, like, boat dealers in the exurbs and bankers on the Upper East Side. Someone's seen Deliverance one too many times.
The vote margins are strongest there, but I fully agree with you that Long Island is the cradle of American fascism more than anyplace else
I think we should Great Replace the population of Long Island through upzoning and TOD to be clear.
Yeah it's not Elon out here with a neck gaiter pulled up over his face.
Hey man, is it ok to check to see if they choose Sanders over Trump to try to figure out which they would choose?
They are too irredeemably racist to choose Sanders (or any other liberal) over Trump, yes absolutely.
If they think republicans have done a better job of representing the interests of non-wealthy people then the only interests they care about are segregation, misogyny, homophobia, and Christian nationalism.
Biden administration represented the biggest positive change in the lowest two quartile in my life and this is what we get for it and you say it’s because it wasn’t Bernie enough? Don’t make shit up, man.
ARPA paid the rent of my best friend and her kid for a yearish to get them rehoused while they were homeless
it's hilarious how they can't give up on this rural noble savage bullshit when jim justice stomped a berniecrat to win the 2016 WV GOV primary by running on OOH RAH I LOVE ARE COAL AND HATE THAT N****R IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND HIS EPA. it's as if these people are just rotten!
Unfornutely, he could barely speak and therefore couldn't claim credit. And unfortunately, covid relief payments lapsed under Biden, creating one of the last poverty increases in history.
you are doing this on purpose and it’s brave of you to admit it
speaking as someone who was Medicaid Poor in 2019 and solidly in the middle income bracker in 2024, i want you to know i think you're a pathological liar and a disgrace to the cause. fuck you and fuck your goddamn crackers.
what cause are you referring to?
I love Bernie, and I wish he was president. But if there were Trump voters who'd have preferred Bernie instead, they had two opportunities to go and vote for him to be the Dem nominee and they didn't. I wish they had done, I really do, but they didn't.
I think they are demonstrably too bigoted to do that, yes. What possibly could give you the impression that they aren't?
Why do you think Obama did so much better (less bad) among working class whites and whites in rural areas than Biden and Harris? Did their racism double in a decade?
Have you been alive during this period?
Yes
Presumably Romney and McCain weren't political options that adequately met their evident non-material needs (shameless bigotry)
Anyway if they're self-interested, I'd expect them to pick the one of two parties that better serves their material interests, even if imperfectly. But they don't. They don't conceptualize their self-interest that way.
People don’t always act in rational self interested ways.
Are you aware that Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have run, between them, 5 national political campaigns in the last decade
they 1000% are. they also hate sanders for being a communist, and jewish