it's so obvious at this point that the american right wing, despite all their posturing about how they're pro-business, has absolutely not a single clue how actually producing items - be it ag, manufactured goods, etc - at scale is accomplished
it's so obvious at this point that the american right wing, despite all their posturing about how they're pro-business, has absolutely not a single clue how actually producing items - be it ag, manufactured goods, etc - at scale is accomplished
The problem is, they're pandering to people who, for the most part, have either never worked those jobs, or haven't worked them in, like, 30 years.
No, because most billionaires have lost the ability to actually run any kind of business, they literally only care about the profit and will do whatever in order to achieve said profit. Layoffs? ✔️ Stupid decisions for tax breaks? ✔️ Bankrupting the company? ✔️ As long as they profit in the end.
That’s because they’re only interested in power.
It's accomplished with the power of positive thinking.
It lets them shout about taxes and small government
Especially because the party is being run and funded by people who’ve never produced anything and just take other people’s money to fund unprofitable ideas until they can leverage it to get more money from someone else.
Because the modern GOP isn't industrialists it is car dealerships and tech VC that make their money by scamming consumers. The more opaque and arbitrary the rules the more they can exploit them.
To be fair, many people who *vote* right wing do, in a lot of detail (ie people who work in those industries). But the elected leadership and even a lot of the investor class - yes, utterly, embarrassingly clueless.
As someone who has worked with these people in manufacturing, that has never been my experience 🙃
Agree. Posted this thread on the topic just yesterday. bsky.app/profile/joel...
I mean, yes. The people who tend to understand those topics are leftists.
I'm still waiting for them to show up in the fields to help,getting food to the American people,they so vehemently say they want to protect!!hello out there protecting dead bodies is not a job!!
The American right mutated into a personality cult around Pumpkin Spice Palpatine. It was predicted he would destroy the GOP and his demise will leave a power vacuum
The only thing they know how to produce is culture war.
You know how anyone who has had an unpleasant sports injury that takes a long time to recover from ends up knowing a lot about body part they've injured? Well the US is about to learn 'a lot' about why the supply chains required to build what modern life requires are 'global' and easily disrupted.
they talk about the working class without any understanding of the working class or the work they do, and are willing to to.
What worries me is they never needed too, and they will continue to believe they are geniuses
they talk game about being pro-business but what they are is pro-oligopoly
"People like you are still living in what we call the reality-based community. You believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality...
... And while you are studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors, and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
Unfortunately, I think a lot of the C-suite and financier types have adopted this mindset too.
I'm fortunate that I never went to business school, but if my Business for Engineers courses of 30+ years ago were indicative of trends that continued, actually making shit that people want to buy is, if considered at all, regarded as an impediment to business these days.
There is literally no place on Earth that believes in capitalism and business and wealth creation *less* than Wall Street. This is why the businesses bought by Buffett thrive; they are removed from the moronic motions public companies must go through pretending that industries don't have cycles.
Honestly I wonder if it's because so many of them have never been "working class" or have done manual labor or had to actually worry about profit margins since their entire profession is bankrolled by Mercers, Kochs, etc. "Former Fox News host" doesn't make one good at 'business'.
They’re bad for large scale operations and small, family-owned businesses, which are supposed to be “what America is all about”. All posturing & sound bites.
They read a Richard Scarry book once and now they think they know how society works.
They used to be. Party is a lot different than it was 20 years ago
They are pro feudalism and pro monarchy.
The Republican Party only knows how to leach off of people and businesses.
The only part of business they understand is the stock market
yeah you just put poor people in a factory and tell em to make stuff or they cant eat. just make sure theres more than one factory so that way its "their choice" to work for one or the other and therefore "not slavery"
I seriously feel like we need to invest in a new version of "How it's made" that's mandatory viewing. First we show an artisan craftsmen creating the object, then we start showing a small factory ran by a family and how they purchase materials.
From there an entire town needed to run a factory, to slowly explaining international trade for materials, how we ship in parts from one factory in asia, more parts from Romania, until we show how the entire world is needed to create a single roll of paper for a CVS receipt.
Just slowly ramp up the "This is why we can't do this at home for cheap!" until we're all but taping it to a brick and tossing it at their head.
What's possibly even worse is that they do know but no longer care.
Democratic party presidents have created more jobs and reduced the deficit more, even though thats their supposed claim to fame
One can say the same about their “pro-life” stance as well. They don’t care if we live.
Ever believe so hard in the power of the free market you stop believing that businesses have a profit motive?
voters only understand issues that can be media friendly messaging, trans, guns, geting taxed, groceries. Let this shit fail fast so we can rebuild a new American on the graves of the stupid.
The issue here is the stupidity.
They are into financialization, not manufacturing.
They are all greatly adept and experienced at "Business" because to them it means failing upward & taking credit for other people's work. If you peel back the framework that lets them do that it reveals problems...
have seen so many videos from maga guys who OWN MANUFACTURING BUSINESSES who are absolutely gobsmacked that their input costs have gone up because of the tariffs how have you not gone bankrupt already my guy, you apparently have no idea how your business works
Probably gifted said businesses by lineage.
What is even more dumb is they try to compare how everything works to a family budget. That is their metric for how international businesses are supposed to function in domestic and foreign markets. Their take on government is that it's useless and can't help them and doesn't make a profit.
Being pro business just means giving corporations more tax breaks and privileges while taking them from citizens, not that they are actually making smart decisions. Otherwise everyone would have healthcare because sick people don’t produce.
Yeah, they are not pro-business, they are pro-rich people.
"why does it cost MONEY to make thing here???" bsky.app/profile/seey...
Like, I’ve spoken about this before, but I literally work in the manufacturing sector. The current administration’s policies for manufacturing lie somewhere between “stupid joke” and “actively destructive”
I got my start in accounting as an AP - then intermediate acct for several manufacturing companies for a few years and basically I learned there the insane number of vendors it takes to produce anything even simple.
Reminds me of that story about how you make a pencil (Thoreau?)
Take a valve for example. You have a spring to get the PSI right, there’s the valve mechanism itself, the handle, you have things like washers and gaskets, etc etc. Oh and then your guys need shop supplies, which you may acquire from 1-3 vendors, which also originate somewhere else.
I’ve always thought the real fiction in Iron Man isn’t that the suit works, it’s that he can build it without a procurement department.
Anyway, depending on the size, type and purpose of the valve, it has many different small components, many different vendors and then you put that work in to finish or service the product (if doing maintainence). The stuff that you use comes from all over. Don’t envy American supply chain ppl
Sky, it simple. Me explain: Want make thing? Make thing. Make thing HERE. Sell thing HERE. Not want make thing here? No make thing when you dead.
The most complimentary thing I can say about his policy is that it's stunlocked a lot of business folks from responding substantively
I don’t understand manufacturing, but I understand that it’s complicated!
You have a far better grasp than the GOP then (they don’t even know that they don’t understand it)
After the Francis Scott Key bridge collapse, Elon did a tweet about “if you reuse the truss steel that fell, it could be functioning in 3-6 months” I told then-13 about this and he said “Wait, I know, let’s just hit it with ANOTHER ship so the bridge will fall back up”
Your kid inherited your wit I see, I love that
both my children have the absolute audacity to be funnier than me
You have taught them well!
How very dare?
Reminds me of when I was telling somebody how Elon Musk is not even remotely an engineer. "The most generous explanation is that he mistook a material specification for an assembly tolerance, which still means he doesn't know something that basic."
like my dude, when gen alpha is torching you on your understanding of metallurgy and heavy industry, you are fucking COOKED
I remember Elon Musk saying, with a perfectly straight face, that after manufacturing the Cybertruck he knew more about manufacturing than anyone else
I think many of them actually do know. They’re all just terrified of making Trump angry, making him look like he was wrong.
They want to think it’s like 1899 when Henry Ford opened his factory or something. Supply chains are global and complex! There is more regulation! Technologies have advanced! Etc.
I mean, when Rumsfeld went on about “unknown unknowns” little did he know he was describing his party’s governing ethos in 2025
I'm a Republican. Let me explain manufacturing to you. Imagine millions and millions of human beings screwing in little screws to make iPhones. This is what a human beings look like for reference:
While an individual manufacturing chain is complicated, the basic concepts are incredibly easy to understand, which makes it that much more mindboggling when the ‘pro-business’ political party simply decides to ignore reality!
Every single one of these small business owners that are getting fucked by tariffs, without fail, all say that if the admin made a hyper specific carve out for their gripe the issue would be solved. Someone should compile all the exceptions because it 100% would culminate in no tariffs
The typical C suit career path no longer involves working at any business that ever does anything but management consulting. It's a secret society of lawyers and MBAs glazing the racist drivel of right wing billionaires. Who ran screaming to the right counterculture when not automatically glazed.
This means that the institution of management consulting is all about getting ahead in and reinforcing the importance of management consulting. Which is just glazing rich people and other management consultants into giving you a job, not actually running businesses.
Of course the only measurable thing management consulting does is identify how to aggressively suppress wages, as it's the only thing an institution's lower levels struggle to do themselves.
They aren’t the smartest. They also think unisex bathrooms are a big deal, yet all have them in their own houses. 🤦🏻♂️
Not a single educated mind amongst them, or even if they are, they've occupied roles that are decidedly non-technical or non-functionary. People who notably have bullshitted their way into well paying jobs.
As a small firearms manufacturer, it's maddening to watch components made outside the United States (and unavailable inside the United States) get more expensive as Trump unilaterally raises taxes on imports. In certain cases, it is less expensive to travel overseas to buy components in country.
Chris Rock's "make the bullet cost $5,000" bit turns out to have been prophetic
A straightforward ammunition tax would accomplish that in a much more targeted way. In this instance, it's a very small stainless steel pin that keeps the safety button in place in the handle. American manufacturers do not make tiny stainless steel pins in these dimensions, we've looked.
I was imagining a scenario where Trump repeals the NFA and you can constitutional-carry automatic weapons in all 50 states, but everyone breach-loads single cartridges because magazine springs cost $10,000 per unit.
A friend of mine was issued a Beretta when he did some relief work in Rwanda a few decades back, but kept it in his backpack because (a) ammunition was expensive and (b) he was riding inside a Hi-lux with a .50 caliber machine gun on the top of the cab and between two men with SMGs at the ready.
The Canadian Army adopted the Browning hi-power in 1944 and didn't fully replace it until 2024. I knew a good few Canadian military personnel who had been to Afghanistan between 2006 and 2011 who said they were basically useless because the worn out mag springs wouldn't feed properly.
The unit armorers were not able to replace the springs?
They could if they had new ones, but nobody makes them anymore. The military used to order a bespoke production run of springs every so often, but this was expensive and not done very often. IIRC the hi-power was supposed to be replaced by the Sig P226 in the 2000s, but the deal fell through.
We are lucky that there are still some good American spring manufacturers.
Simple designs are best designs. Our pistol only has six parts.
Definitely. Unrelated, but knowing that the Madsen entered service in 1906 makes it utterly baffling to me that anyone ever bought the Lewis gun or Chauchat tbh
And the key here is that even with tariffs there’s not really any market incentive for US companies to start making them. So the intended effect - his main selling point - of reshoring manufacturing isn’t going to happen. It’s just a huge tax increase on working Americans. Nothing more.
Actually it’s an astounding how liberals have absolutely no idea of what America First means. The Origins of President Trump's America First Policy "Why America First? Because the American who says "America Second" speaks the tongue of Benedict Arnold and Aaron Burr!" bsky.app/profile/duns...
The core of the GOP are not manufacturers. It's rent seekers of one sort of another. Realtors, product dealers etc. Even CEOs in actual product making businesses are looking more at how to boost the price of their options vs long term health of the company.
This is why we must crush the car dealerships which are terrible for politics and insanely powerful
Also Realtors
It remains absurd that buying a car in this country requires gearing up for psychological warfare in order to not get ripped off. Everyone should hate car dealers, which makes it even more depressing to me that here in Ohio we elected one to the Senate over a stanchly pro-labor Democrat.
People hate car dealerships but they also have an insane amount of money and are in every single district giving them a lot of power and influence.
Absolutely in agreement.
And the owners are sitting on a very flexible schedule that allows them, personally, to spend whatever time they want meddling in local politics
One who is scared of Cincinnati
The least bad city in a cursed state
None of the cities are “scary” though
Do you prefer the Elon Musk Way of doing it where he also owns all the dealerships?
Pros and cons to either approach. Similar to what's happened with AirBnB, I really just want to see out-the-door pricing spelled out and a lot of the bullshit fees they try to slap on eliminated. On new cars especially the pricing should be super straightforward and it often isn't.
The reason we needed car dealerships to be separate and also why we needed unionized auto workers is because the car companies were too powerful and formed a cartel which fucked up labor. Nowadays, thanks to Neo liberalism we kinda don’t need all that as Tesla shows.
Dealerships did nothing to help labor they were created to make consumers feel more comfortable buying because they knew certified service would be available when cars were very unreliable. You can tell this because a dealership is only affiliated with a single car brand.
Car companies are evil big business and car dealers are good Small business - get it straight.
Car dealerships got themselves a carve out from civil rights laws related to lending because they kept getting caught across the industry giving black people with the same credit much worse rates on loans and leases.
The predatory/discriminatory financing is the thing that bothers me the most even within the confines of a credit system that allows for rates tied to risk.
Also, there’s lots of dealers that are affiliated with multiple brands, but sometimes a big evil car companies won’t let them and makes them be exclusive to one brand at least at a certain location, This is a violation of consumers.
Like if you went to buy a soda, there was a guy that worked a machine to pour your soda for you. There were people doing every fucking little thing.
Labor didn’t need help when dealers were being created at least not in the sense that it does today. The problem was that jobs sucked. Not that there was a lack of them. We didn’t have automation or even cars for the most part back in those days so everything was done by a person or an animal.
Because the domestic US car companies are no longer a cartel thanks to all the foreign competition.
Yes, we must protect the poor poor car manufacturers those poor little darlings just ignore everything that happened between 1900 and 2020.
Setting up and maintaining a cartel that divides up regions to limit competition with a history of predatory lending and bad service is bad. Increasing competition in the auto market is good. Dealerships are terrible and add nothing but a predatory middleman.
Financialization
The word is "szlachta."
All power to the soviets of distributors and regional vice presidents!
The word you’re really looking for there is “looter”. “Rent seeker” is true but most rational rent seekers make some effort to keep their golden goose alive and laying. MAGA is currently rooting around in the goose’s entrails, covered in blood, looking for where it keeps its stash of golden eggs.
And the everyone is trying to become a rent seeker, even manufacturers of products. Guarantee “recurring revenue” (ie subscription model) has been uttered in every boardroom. “How can we get people to sign up for our plastic fork subscription?”
This has been going on since the mid-1970s. Manufacturing businesses started hiring financial people as CEOs who knew little or nothing of production. It was the death of many companies esp. in heavy mfg.
As a Dem staffer on the Hill, I can not tell you how many time I said to a Republican counterpart, “how is it that I’m the one explaining this to you” in regard to basic economics
They dumb.
“The truth is, these are not very bright guys” etc
You'd think that a hundred plus years of Republicans fumbling the bag on the economy would've taught people, but...
Insert LBJ quote on giving white people someone to look down on
“We just need to drill for more oil! Let us drill!” Okay, do you know what the price of oil is today and how much it costs to pull a barrel of it out of the ground in West Texas? [silence]
They cost to drill for oil is higher than the cost to sell it… same with lumber… these followers of him are congenitally stupid… no ability to fucking google anything… I guess when you live in your moms basement and exist in an echo chamber.. critical thought is unnecessary.. FFS..
Glad to see someone calling them out, needs to happen more often
"You're full of shit" should be the only response to any Republican argument
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They are pro vulture capitalism
It's because the entire venture-backed tech economy is smoke and mirrors. None of them need to know principles of solid business strategy because as long as they can project some kind of exponential growth in the long-term, their sugar daddies in private equity will keep cutting checks.
They don’t have a single clue how anything works.
it's cosplay all the way down
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Well, 13th amendment says slavery is okay, if it’s a criminal being enslaved in prison. Oh look, living in your car is now considered a crime. Intriguing that. I think they have a clue, and it’s grim.
I’m not sure if it’s that they don’t know or if they just don’t care. They are all putting their own interests in supporting one idiotic demented grifter over the good of their communities & the good of their country. To me that’s even worse.
They spent so long pursuing profits, even at the expense of environmental health and workers' rights, that they got their priorities mixed up. They're not so much pro-industry as anti-environment and anti-worker. See: Trump policy on efficiency standards.
I think the longtime Republican position is best described as being “pro-greed” rather than pro-business.
no no no. They produce several valuable things. They produce --pain and suffering in their perceived enemies --which produces a warm squirmy feeling in their lower stomach area --and which produces amusing outrage among normal people --which can be monetized into power and money from their base.
Something to do with widgets?
Like Ayn Rand — who imagined that the engine of production is not a multi-faceted ecosystem of cooperating contributors but a few godlike special soooper genius “job creators” to whom all others must defer.
they don't know how anything works, including government, bureaucracy, basic science, research, public good and public investment. All they know is control, power and wilful ignorance, which is part of religious indoctrination.
The political divide in the US is increasingly becoming Those Who Understand How Things Work v Those Who Do Not Understand How Things Work.
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And to those who do not know how things work, it all looks like a conspiracy.
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How many times do we let Republicans run the economy into the ground on "vibes" based governance before we never give them the controls again?
Nixon: set price controls and ended the gold standard leading to massive inflation that spilled into Carter's term once price controls were rescinded. Reagan: fell ass backwards into the Fed providing massive stimulus after a first term with two major recessions. Served second term while demented.
Bush I: forced to raise taxes due to massive deficits from Reagan, left office when this led to a recession. Clinton: 8 years of uninterrupted economic growth Bush II: asleep at the switch on 9/11, ran massive deficits in a failed war effort, oversaw the debt bubble and resulting financial crisis.
Obama: 8 years of uninterrupted economic growth Trump 45: exploded the deficit and oversaw a disastrous COVID response that left the economy a smoldering wreck. Biden: 4 years of uninterrupted economic growth, and reversing the damage of the Trump admin Trump 47: crashed the economy in 6 months.
It’s the division between Those Who Understand How Things Work and Those Who Demand That Things Work The Way That Makes Them Feel Better About The World.
For a moment I thought this was a dig at Internet Leftists.
It’s applicable to fantasists of various stripes.
I think it cuts across the entire political spectrum.
Yeah, it’s not even the legendary horseshoe. Centrists are just as prone to it. That’s what “both sides” nonsense is.
Exactly. They sense that the world is complex, and it terrifies them.
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Not even "understand". We are those who are open to learning and trusting those who have a lifetime of experince trying to understand.
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to some people who don't explanations sound like excuses
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All extremists have "big picture" ideas and not an iota of understanding how things are produced. Neither extreme has a clue and often are driven by ideas that harm rather than help producers.
Worked at manufacturing/tech start up and learned a lot about metal/plastic supply chain/business operations. There are so many variables and moving pieces, anyone suggesting simple fixes(e.g. tariffs w/o significant investment) is talking out their ass
They think a single provider is a competitive market, even got a judge to rule that way.
I think that's prolly the point because they realize the profit-maximizing thing for bureaucratic business is to be woke but personalist bizs are in fact elated to have more protections as they only exist off of granted privileges like not being able to buy direct from producer
melancholically funny that those hitlerites are some of the least prepared for tariffs
they have an inherent negative reaction to people knowing things. vaccines, climate change, labor statistics — you name it, they don’t wanna know about it
The past 20+ years the "smart" money is attracted to businesses that can scale quickly, have little or no hard assets, and outsource as much of the headcount as possible.
They tend to be clueless about most of their most strident priorities, e.g., abortion and IVF, Christianity, gender, critical race theory and history of race in the U.S., 2nd amendment rights, women in the military, sexual abuse of minors, ...
Their officer class is composed entirely of proudly ignorant rich failsons who think that because they were born into it, they know everything already and so they never bother to learn anything. Why should they? Dad's gonna make them the VP anyway. Why read a book when there's hookers and blow?
Look, other people do stuff and I get money for it, that's just how the world works
The best way to make businesses succeed is to fund the poor and middle class. They will spend it, and business thrives. Everyone wins.
Here's that Liberal posturing to be the new Republican party.
It’s a shame all those billionaires will lose all their money as a result of this. I’m gonna cry about it.
If a Working-Class Democrat wants a weakness to exploit in the Right's blue-collar image, there it is.
Big strong men get on their big strong pickup trucks and then magic happens and we have manufactured goods :)
They are not qualified for any jobs other than spreading propaganda and lies.
These are uneducated people who openly discuss their distaste for education. Trump has normalized just saying things are true and expecting them to be so. Where are the educated adults in America?
Seems bad that an increasing amount of the actual business people also fall into this group.