Starting a new gun company rechambering rifles to 7.61 immediately after passing this regulation

My official leftist stance is that guns should be regulated by KE/second.

I could see the case for limiting hollow point ammo honestly

Ballistically hollow point, fragmenting, and frangible rounds are safer for anyone who isn't directly hit by the round.

I wonder if the overall decrease in overpenetration counteracts the overall increase in soft tissue damage from hollow points

If somebody was shooting up your kids school would you prefer that they use like a bolt action Ruger with FMJ or an AR platform rifle with hollow point

Getting shot is bad regardless but the bullet going through you seems preferable to it aowing and cavitating

This is why blanket statements like "ban hollowpoints" aren't useful. The wounding mechanism of 5.56 FMJ is high velocity tumble and fragmentation. A JHP isn't necessarily any more effective. The terminal ballistics of any given projectile vary wildly based on countless parameters.

Question really is at the margins. Would it make a difference versus the increase in over penetration.

.223 to me seems to fill a niche between varmint and game that is humans

perhaps I am just a Fudd with my shotgun

Exactly why. The more energy a projectile dumps into expanding/fragmenting, the less energy is available to penetrate more layers of drywall, etc.

Too bad it's pretty much illegal to do research on these things though in America

Everyone thought the 40 feral hogs guy was full of shit but turns out there are herds of feral hogs that need shooting with extremely deadly rifles.

fine, if he can't handle it with a bolt or lever action *hunting* rifle, then let him get a license, insurance & register his especially dangerous semi-automatic rifle 👍😎

for those of you who don't get it, "7.62" could refer to at least 3 extremely common cartridges: -7.62x39, the AK-47's cartridge -7.62x51, aka .308 (YES I KNOW THERES SOME TECHNICAL DIFFERENCES), used in the US M14 and several other guns -7.62x63, aka the .30-06, the most common hunring rifle round

And 7.62x25!

the 30-06, which was invented in 1906.

No one tell them what cal a 20 gauge is. Or that 12 gauge is bigger not smaller. And that they come in “rifled”.

but apparently i'm the bad guy for saying people need to know what things are when proposing laws on them bsky.app/profile/sky....

Guns are loud. You should be civily liable for hearing damages if you fire one in an enclosed space with other people. Now that's a law that would really piss the gun fuckers off but what can they say about it.

Any caliber policy is especially ass because you’re basically talking about banning hunting

Ban everything other than muzzle-loading round shot. If you can't bag a deer with a musket at 50 paces, skill issue.

They're gonna take my gpa's Arisaka (with carnation) war trophy from me cuz boolet too lorge.

I don't even think they make bullets for the Arisaka anymore.

I feel like the reasonable thing to regulate would be the total energy of the round maybe?

He’s now saying this is about banning rifles, but he didn’t mention that before. I’m not sure this guy understands how many calibers exist for rifles, or what 5.56 tumbling does to a body.

There are some ballistic wound studies the US Army has performed that point to both 7.62 NATO and 7.62x39 are less lethal on unarmored targets than 5.56 NATO and a number of other smaller calibers due to overpenetration and lack of yaw.

If I remember correctly the initial M16 enhanced lethality claims vs the M14 were due to Colt not having machine tolerances for making the barrel 1:12 but just lied and made it 1:16 causing the bullets to hit targets frigging sideways

Dawg, I just want a surplus M1 Garand to shoot downrange and miss ever shot. That should be legal, this is murica.

I wonder which people think kills the most people... From this lineup, those that are or are equivalent to in-use military cartridges are the 223 and the 308 (which replaced the 30-06).

From the calibers shown in that image, almost certainly .22LR. In the US generally, 9x19. Intermediate rifle cartridges are all in the low single-digit percentages.

Thank you for explaining this to those of us who don't get it 😏

i'm actually simplifying a bit, there's a LOT of very common cartridges that are 7.62mm in diameter (hence "At least 3"). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_mm...

And that includes pistol cartridges, not just rifles!

I'm wondering if he feels it's such a big number of must be extra-dangerous

Oh it’s 100% that. “The 5.56 is bad so the 7.62 must be extra bad!”

I think a tweak like cartridge energy could be interesting, though it would incentivize larger slower rounds lol, idk there are physical quantities that get conserved here

The only way to properly do that is to use projectile energy to create categories of weapons. I don’t know all that many guns laws, but in Canada pellet guns are regulated to projectile energy and projectile speed (no more than 500ft/s)

Tho I’m gonna be honest, the problem is less the ammo itself and more the amount of it one can shoot per minute. Cause everything is lethal, even ‘non-lethal’ ammunition. The problem is how easy it is to get guns, ammo and then the amount of round per minute it can shoot.

Commie 7.62 or .308?

It gets *really* fun when you start piecing together that modern low cost small scale manufacturing technology is going to increasingly make supply-side gun control obsolete. The folks that think arbitrary feature bans are actually effective are going to be particularly blindsided by it.

We are rapidly entering a world where it will be largely impossible to restrict access in a way that doesn't stomp all over every single aspect of manufacturing because *everything* is dual-use.

This stuff has zero salience to the gun control debate