Stuff like this would put Boomers off but they were never going to vote Green anyway. His target demographic of young Gen X, millennials and Zoomers will most likely not care or at least realise getting the Greens in outweighs one thing one guy did years ago

I hate to tell you this but don’t think just bcs Gen X and zoomed are young they’ll not turn to the right.

Considering millennials have taken over as the largest workforce from 2016, and are categorically not leaning Right as they 'should' be compared to Boomers and X. I'd say the Right is ripe for a downfall in either 2029 or 2034 as sh÷_ gets worse. Young white men however, are defo turning Right.

Young is code for educated.

That is a factor but it is a myth that people get more conservative and right wing as they age. Social attitudes are set during late adolescence and early adulthood and don't change much later. Society becomes liberal faster than people adapt, giving the impression that people get more conservative.

There's also the fact that richer people live longer than poorer people because they're wealthy. And richer people are on the whole, more likely to be Tory voters than Labour voters.

Richer ppl are also more educated and more likely to vote. But the right wing are not necessarily the older wealthy ppl, they are more likely to be the ones from poorer backgrounds.

I accept that richer people are educated and more likely to vote, but it's not true to say poorer people are more likely to be rightwing. In the last two elections, demographics *have* changed, but historically there's always been a huge link between voting Labour or Tory based on wealth...

Ah yes….. but right wing doesn’t mean voting Tory (largely a wealth based political ideology). Right wing in terms of xenophobia, non-progressive values, etc are more in line with the less educated.

To some extent – but I think it's easy to paint working class people as more racist and non-progressive because they're seen as less educated, but that doesn't reflect the real life experience of people who are usually far more compassionate, welcoming and inclusive than wealthy, educated people.

This is also true and some working class people are very well educated and vice versa.

I’m curious to know if there any data on it. I’m also not sure what is meant by ‘working class’ ppl.

Really? Has society been getting *more* liberal over the last 10 years?!

I think so. That is what the culture wars are about - reactionary gammons melting down over liberal social attitudes.

Is it that simple? Thankfully, social attitudes have become more progressive. I’d put that down to better education. But other factors play a part, and perhaps many poorer less educated areas have become increasingly marginalised and feel they have to be heard somehow.?

Feels like UK society is going backwards at the moment. Our actual PM spouting stuff that sounds pretty similar to what I saw from the NF as a kid in the 70's.

Starmer is no where near that. But I agree, Labour should be more vociferous about supporting it’s values. They will only lose those voters that wouldn’t support them anyway. And here’s the thing - if the RW racists are the so called working class, why would I care about them?

"Island of strangers"? And the whole tone of negativity, conflating terms and demonizing refugees. I'd say "not what I voted for", but I didn't!

I disagree. Ppl acquire wealth as they get older and are hence less willing to risk or share it. Younger ppl have no wealth and hence are more willing to ‘share’ bcs it carries less risk. I’ve watched it happen many times.

That is different though. People adapting their behaviour to risk is not the same as becoming innately more conservative with age.

I think that is the result. By conservative, I’m meaning less willing to share your wealth. If you mean xenophobia and other traits, then that is about education. The irony is, left wing voters feel a need to help the poorer in society, but it’s often the poorer areas that are the most reactionary.

Sadly there is some truth in what you say.

But for your hypothesis to be correct, I must be getting more liberal at a faster rate than society. But I know I haven't - I still believe the same as what I did in my teens and 20's.

I’m talking about the population as a whole. Not the outliers. But answer me this: are you more or less willing to see greater personal taxation now than when you were 20? Would you support a tax on your personal wealth?

Yes for the first Q. It depends for the second. Eg: I live in a big house, would I be forced to sell and downsize?

My hypothesis: I think there are and have always a lots of quiet/closet Tories/borderline racists who don't publicise their views. As they age they are more likely to vote, hence the patterns we see. In the last 10-20 years probably amplified by aggressive targeting (and niaivity) on social Media

That may also be the case. Definitely ‘safety in the herd’ emboldens ppl.

I question that assertion as well as Russ's. At nearly 60 I regard myself as rich, yet my views are just as left wing, if not more than when I was a teenager. (Actually fairly central, but the world has moved right). Temper your statement with an "on average" or suchlike and I can agree!

Young get older and their priorities change

I'm 75. I'm still the radical ar5€hole I was at 18.

Some of us remain outliers

This country elected Boris Johnson.

and David Cameron ....and ... Keir Starmer....you really know how to pick 'em

Apparently he's "hard left".

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