I didn't say it's paradise. I said this war, provoked by US and UK interests, is destroying us. A war that could have been avoided. I want to live in my country, I don't want to live in Russia or in your country. I don't want a nuclear war, and I want a good economy and welfare state.

A war that could have been avoided by sacrificing well being of Ukrainians, and then the people of other post-Soviet nations Russia will invade next. Well, sorry if our live and freedom is costing you the enormous sacrifice of having to drink a slightly cheaper wine.

No, the war could have been avoided if the issue had been taken into consideration since before 2010. Everyone continued to pursue their own interests and this is where we ended up.

The only way this war could have been avoided was turning Ukraine into Russian puppet tyranny like Belarus. But nobody wants that in Ukraine (or Belarus).

No, I believe the problem wasn't addressed in time. Everything has gotten worse.

Which problem do you mean? Turning Ukraine into puppet dictatorship, like Belarus? It was the only thing that could have stopped the invasion. Russia will not tolerate independent Eastern European countries (that are not in NATO).

Do not think that this is what we think in Italy. Unfortunately we had many Russian propagandists here. Like him

Propagandista sara lei. Non faccia accuse, io esprimo il mio pensiero come tutti. Le etichette le tenga per lei. Grazie.

Nervoso?

Non tollero chi parla con pregiudizio. Specie se mi si fanno accuse infondate. Se si interviene in un dibbattito e si risponde con intelligenza e argomenti sono il primo ad essere interessato.

Intanto si parla di guerra usa Russia non si fanno che ripetere le frasi fatte della propaganda russa

Non è propaganda Russa è geopolitica. L'espansione ad est della NATO mi ricorda molto la crisi di Cuba (a parti inverse). Che fu risolta con intelligenza (contrariamente ad oggi).

Come si faccia a paragonare una cosa avvenuta durante la guerra fredda a questa è totalmente sensa senso.

No, è molto simile. Anche in quel caso c'era la corsa al predominio che includeva paesi terzi che potevano sbilanciare gli equilibri militari ed economici. Adesso, era ben noto che l'espansione NATO ad est era un boccone indigesto per la Russia. C'è tutto un romanzo dietro alla questione.

Non è espansione. Sono paesi che erano nel patto di Varsavia o in Urss e non volevano tornarci. Infatti dall'invasione dell'Ucraina la Nato ha due membri in più. Un successone

Ho menzionato la crisi di Cuba per soiegarlo. A buon intenditore. Invece i due membri in piu nella NATO, una stupidaggine, una follia! Non averci capito nulla. Purtroppo siamo circondati da inetti.

This war was conceived and started by Russia.

Yes, it was conceived and conducted by Russia in reaction to NATO's eastern enlargement.

Funny that only yesterday in China Putin was saying the same things as our friend is spouting now.

The enemy's arguments aren't always meaningless. Diplomacy (if used well) could help smooth out differences and find the best compromises for peaceful coexistence.

Russia is explicitly saying that Ukrainians do not exist as a nation. How do you compromise with that?

I'm unable to comment. The nuances of the ancestral ties that bind you, with all the implications that this entails, are unknown to me.

This means Russia wants to eradicate Ukrainian identity as such, meaning genocide. You can't do it without genocide (just like Israel is unable to destroy Palestinian identity without genocide).

Also Russia has destroyed all these "ancestral ties". They died in Mariupol and Donetsk.

You missed Bucha out.

Indeed.

Good question.