Not the way I would define friends, but I do know people who I would argue support fascist ideas. But I'm not arguing we should be friends here, I'm arguing we should cede public spaces or accuse people of guilt by association just for using a common software tool.
You’re making a fundamental error: We should defend public spaces, but Substack is not a public space
True, in the sense of public ownership. I'm meaning a space open to the public, like the theoretical "bar" mentioned in this discussion. I don't see it as fundamentally different than that.
Why won't you have only friends who are fascists, invite them at home, that way you could really keep an eye on them
This is a serious question. What is your reasoning for not having only fascist friends
Because friendship requires genuine affection built around trust. I could build that kind of connection with someone so diametrically opposed to me, who would actively want to hurt people I care about.
But I'm not asking anyone to befriend or even read the people on substack. I'm just saying maybe we shouldn't tear down those who are allied with us because they view the ethics of this differently and choose to keep their content on substack or to subscribe to people who do.
Lol who's tearing these people down for having a substack? All I've seen is people saying they aren't going to the nazi bar to read their stuff My philosophy is no tolerance for the intolerant. No one gets a pass for denying anyone their right to exist
Look at the kind of things that have been said to me here for saying that people should be able to make different ethical choices wrt using substack or subscribing to one without being constantly dragged for it. Even the original comment I replied to that started this.
(btw - I'm still interacting with *you* because your disagreement was reasonable and not ad-hom. I don't think there are easy answers here and I'm happy to engage. I just dislike seeing us tearing down those who would be our allies over an ethical gray area)
There is no tearing down! It's people who decide to disengage and stop giving clicks to a website which platforms nazis!
I have no problem with people making that choice for themselves, or advocating that others do it. But when someone makes that choice the ethical standard for everyone else that's where I have a problem.
Journalists have it bad enough already without having to constantly move their limited support base around to keep the keyboard warriors happy.
You came here saying we have to give fascists a platform, so that they don't Go Into Hiding People disagree with YOU, because this kind of both-sidesing is what made the decades of buildup which allowed Trump to become president Deplatforming works! No more of this coddling of weak, pathetic men!
I can see how you got there but that's not really my argument. Bluesky just isn't designed for nuanced conversation.