The IRS said clergy and houses of worship should be allowed to make political endorsements, a potential move away from a 71-year-old policy that banned the mixing of religion and politics.
The IRS said clergy and houses of worship should be allowed to make political endorsements, a potential move away from a 71-year-old policy that banned the mixing of religion and politics.
They’ve been doing it in our town for years. Not that anyone would think to do anything about it.
I don't believe this.They have the right to choose who they follow politics.Never ever bring this into any church.
they should be taxed
No. Never should. Period. Guess rules & laws don’t make any sense now.
Then they should pay taxes
This has been happening the entire time, just behind closed doors. If I were a member of the clergy, I would be skeptical of this move because Project 2025 doesn't make a lot of room for most denominations.
Ok...even though they will hide $ off shore and pay next to nothing in taxes, tax the mfers anyway.
Then they should lose their tax exempt status.
Exactly!
Fine, audit and tax them to
Cool, IRS, then you get taxed. Let’s have you pick up the new permanent tax breaks for billionaires instead of ThePeople. Sweet!
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How is that a "potential" move? Must everything be mealy-mouthed?
Then they should lose their tax exempt status.
A 501c is SPECIFICALLY forbidden to engage in Politics and maintain its tax exempt status. This is what happens when you have Republicans running the Government instead of Americans.
I like the distinction there...
Exactly! They have proven themselves to be the most un American people ever to walk this country.
As opposed to the communists who forced you to wear masks and take ineffective "medications".
Nobody forced me to wear a mask. I wore a mask because I’m not a fucking idiot. I’m smart enough to understand just a little bit of science – and that vaccines work. Republicans are too fucking stupid to know that…
And THOSE vaccines DIDN'T work. You were told "take the vaccine and you won't get covid". Yet MILLIONS did. Get the booster and you "won't get covid". Yet MILLIONS did. And for the huge percentage of the population it's an annoyance illness. Yet people lost their jobs and livelihoods.
No Dummy - you were told take the vaccine and it will *help prevent* the spread of COVID. Idiot. It's nobody's fault except yours that you're too f*cking stupid to be allowed to exist in our society. And because all of you idiots turned yourselves into Human Vectors - 850,000 more people died.
Another angry soul who has to resort to curing at people who disagree. The same clowns who told you to wear a mask also stated numerous times in the past that masks were ineffective against these types of virus' because of the size of the particles. Suddenly they were a miracle in a box.
My dude, wearing a mask in a pandemic is preferable to Christofascism what the fuck is wrong with your head.
Such angry souls on this site - always have to resort to screaming at people. And by the way, wearing a PAPER MASK, improperly by most, was the ultimate prank played on humanity. Did you follow the arrows down the aisles at the supermarket as well?
If religious 501(c)3 organizations are now exempt, the same should apply to every 501(c)(3) organization. Looking forward to the campaigning of the Gates Foundation, Smithsonian, Red Cross, Planned Parenthood, and others to start endorsing.
This right here, I volunteer at a non profit museum and I've been terrified that my calling out what's happening in politics would cause them to lose their status. If churches can give endorsements I hope I don't have to be afraid to talk about the dangers of censorship and fascism during tours
It probably would. Since Republican Voters have destroyed the Rule of Law in America and replaced it with a system of corruption and graft - YOUR ORGANIZATION would be punished for speaking out against the Nazis - while NO ORGANIZATION would be punished for supporting them. Welcome to Amerikkka!
They can all refile as religious organizations. We should all be doing that anyway.
501c3 *is*a Religious organization.
So am I. So are you. We should all file as tax-exempt. :)
No, it’s not.
According to IRS rules, churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches are automatically considered tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3).
Yes they are. But that’s not what you said. And they can lose that status, which is what the case in question is about.
Why not? Worked for Satanic Temple.
What planned parenthood? They have been gutted.
Endorsements could create a new stream of funding.
Religion is the original sin according to human history...
One more way to divide. This would cause division within the church.
Nope !
PAY TAXES!
This really angers me. My dad was a pastor and our family firmly believed in separation of church & state. Campaigning from the pulpit isn't the issue; campaigning as a TAX EXEMPT entity boils my blood.
THEN MAKE THEM PAY TAXES!!!
Then they can pay income and property taxes.
The "IRS" didn't say that, the fascists running it did.
The Fascists control the IRS! Dogs, obey their masters
If they DO, then they can also Pay Taxes.
Fuck no! Funny how people forget all of the regulations on businesses, government, and "charitable organizations" exist because of the harm being done to the US citizens before the regulations existed. Rolling back these regs are like saying, "yeah, we decided it's better for us when you all die"
Churches and cults should be taxed to oblivion.
Stop going to churches and giving them your fucken money!!!!!!!!!!
Wow 😮 , Im loving it.
Okay. PAY TAXES. Amen.
Then they should be taxed too.
And unfortunate, yet necessary condition.
FUCK
"In God We Trust"
Why not? The venerated by both sides "founders", majority of them slavers, were religious kooks too. Just read some of their documents.
They'd better be prepared to be blamed, targeted, sued, attacked... because inevitably they'll endorse a moron like Trump that'll ruin the lives of their congregants & they'll have to pay the price of being a spiritual influencer who bets on the wrong horse. Be very aware of giving bad life advice😏
Not surprised. That being said, your move Pope Bob!
Nah, don't think so!
That’s because they want them to pay taxes, please tell me you know this
Noooooo!
The Trump administration is not following the Constitution. The president is acting like a King. He's giving illegal orders and people are following his illegal orders. Call off ICE you're harming innocent people. They are human. They feel physical pain & emotional trauma. Please stop this madness!
He isn't even acting like a king. He is acting like a spoiled rotten two year old who throws a tantrum when things don't go his way. Kings, other than George the third, at least have more manners and class.
He fits right in with the Classical kings tbh. Ancient texts are full of kings throwing huge tantrums when things don't go their way; Darius King of Persia cut a guy's throat for saying that Darius should hire Macedonian mercenaries. And Xerxes whipped a river for flooding his ship-bridge.
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Totally un-Constitutional!!!!
Here comes the christo part of the fascism.
Like the IRS would tolerate Churches promoting Liberal Candidates....
A scary thought. Will this keep churches safe from political violence?
I belong to the church of the Happy Hour
Bring back church burnings
If the churches are going to endorse election candidates will they be endorsing ped0s? Just curious. I mean, ped0phelia IS part of the EVILgelical religion. #TaxTheChurches
So what's going on here? Was there a global meeting about how all decision moving forward must be completely shitty?
truly horrifying
Then they need to pay taxes!
That's absurd. No 501(c)(3) organization is supposed to do that. Preachers shouldn't be telling people who to vote for from the pulpit!
How would Gertrude plan to stop it? 🤷♂️
No they shouldn’t.
Another big step toward a theocratic government in the United States of America. The Founders would be appalled--as we should be.
We are simply fucked as a nation
I guess if people stop going…. That should fix that
Earlier it was posted that SCOTUS endorsed this. Did they or not? The IRS doesn't make laws like this. Please clarify for all of us.
No, the Supreme Court hasn’t backed this change. The IRS wants to carve out an exception but only within the context of one legal settlement in Texas. Until there’s a court judgment or Congress passes new legislation, the Johnson Amendment officially remains in place. I hope this helps.
Tax the fucking houses of lunacy!
Just no. If so tax them!
Let's run with this... let's establish the Church of Facts and start making midterm endorsements.
Good, so take away their tax exemptions. It's time to #TaxTheChurches
No more separation of church and state?.....Okay, now pay your GD taxes.
Everyone saying fine as long as they pay taxes should remember how much tax corporations end up paying every year, which is to say not enough. And it won't be long before churches lobby to change tax codes in their favor even if they do. Taxing them isn't the solution. Separation is the only answer.
Agree wholeheartedly. This should never be allowed to happen. Having them pay taxes does not make up for the damage this would cause.
This. Religion, as a topic of debate is literally unwinnable. Keep their money the fuck out because they will turn us into Christian Iran if they are allowed to.
This has been the plan since Reagan courted the 'Moral Majority' for support in 1980. It was naive to believe that fundamentalist Christians didn't look at Iran and dream that the U.S. could become a Christian Nationalist country as payback for their support.
You're pretty much threre already, I'd say.
Then they can pay taxes as well. Enough!
Then Clergy and houses of worship should be taxed like all the rest of us.
Guess they should pay taxes then
So then they pay taxes ?
Please don't abuse Simon and Garfunkel this way.
Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste I've been around for a long, long year Stole many a man's soul and faith
Sympathy for the devil Trump!
Just tax all "churches" and "clergy". Those words are meaningless now anyway. "Religion" and "belief" are outdated words for mind control and stupidity, so tax all of it.
Well I'm all for that as soon as they start paying federal taxes too.
Well said. It’s not about silencing voices, it’s about accountability and fairness. The moment you act like a political machine, you get taxed like one.
The Orthodox Jews vote in blocks. Politicians travel to see them for big contributions in exchange for promises. This has happened for decades...both parties benefit.
What a disaster. Make them pay taxes, now!
Tax the churches
Then I guess they better start fucking paying tax.
Collection plate donations are "tips", which under new law won't be taxed. See how that all fits together?
If they can do that, they can pay taxes! Tax them anyway because they endorsed Trump and now look where we are.
America is cooked
Tax the Fucking Church!!
They should NOT be allowed to make their political preferences known. And if they are going to do that, they should have to pay taxes. And you won't find me in any of those churches.
Let's have them pay taxes too. Seems only fair
But only maga churches.
Are they going to be taxed now?
NIL
Then they need to pay taxes!!
Somehow fair, since the politic makes religious endorsements.
No. If so, then they pay taxes.
Exactly. Short, sharp, and absolutely on point. Freedom of religion doesn’t mean freedom from accountability. And tax exemption is a privilege not a free pass to influence voters while hiding behind scripture.
Who cares? Nobody sees the US as a democratic country any more. Simply stop keeping up the appearance of a modern state. The US is a kleptocracy.
I’d say that anyone who pays taxes to this government today is giving their tacit approval and support to whatever this government does.
Tax them.
Then they should pay taxes.
Then tax them.
But only if they endorse MAGA candidates. 🙄
As if
Perhaps it's time for churches to start paying taxes if they want to be political.
Cue Evangelical churches calls for exterminating brown people
Lawsuit!
then they can pay taxes too
When did they stop, now that they can start?
Disgusting
Will the Democrats acknowledge that rules, regulations & norms are from a bygone era before MAGA tore up the Constitution and destroyed gov’t. Regulations created & enforced by Agency experts will now be decided by ideologues at the Supreme Court. They can’t even interpret the Constitution properly
time to tax the churches then.
So incredibly sick! Our founding fathers were smart enough to keep religion out of government! Now we have enough stupid people who are trying to shoehorn it in, thinking they have absolute knowledge. They'll be shocked when it's non-Christians who do this but Muslims, Jews, Folun Gong, etc.
Christian’s for some reason think they own the world and it’s their right to force their religion on others. And they have killed tens of millions to prove their religion is better than yours.
That's how it became the world's most popular religion, conform to them or die.
I guess they will have to kill me too because I will never conform. They have been trying for over 60 years and it hasn’t worked yet.
I grew up in an extremely religious extended family,but I've never been able to "toe the line". I'm 100% the black sheep.
I will never follow the flock. I am not a herd type animal. Leave me alone in the wilderness.
51 years coming with the founding of Heritage foundation. Losers! youtu.be/9WajQ9QbQ8g?...
For what it's worth, I already did the church side of things. They can watch the videos and endorse me if they want
Time to tax the churches, then. Every last one of them.
Clergy are the worst. Stop giving churches your money.
When building an authoritarian regime it is deregurre to have a religion onside too it seems. Russia, Iran etc!!!
Cue the 150+ lawsuits n 3.....2.....1.....
I feel it's time to SHOW these IDIOT'S WE THE PEOPLE don't want politics in our religion WE WILL SEPARATE OURSELVES FROM THE PROCESS ALTOGETHER⁉️ Let's see how they survive W/O the people who make it a place of WORSHIP if they start talking politics STAND UP & WALK OUT LOUDLY EVERY TIME⁉️👍🤷♀️💙🌊💙😶🤯🤔⚖
Who was a socialist and an immigrant?
Did they care to comment on churches tax-exempt status at all?
Because Billy Long just took over as commissioner. He’s that fucking nutjob that wants to completely abolish the IRS. He’s that cocksucker that ran the ERC scam that robbed millions from taxpayers and the IRS. This fucker is there to destroy it from the inside.
I don't want a 21st century Medici family of Evangelicals.
I remember my childhood church holding a "prayer party" the day of the 2020 elections to get Trump his consecutive term and even livestreaming it. They were awfully silent a month after.
It’s not a “policy.” It’s a statute passed by Congress. The IRS is refusing to enforce the law.
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Bullshit. -/ where are the Epstein files.
IF religious organization are permitted to make political endorsements, they THEN become lobbyists, and should lose their tax exempt status. They should also be required to register as lobbyists, all clergy should be subject to income tax, with donations being income of a lobbying org...
What if your church is preaching against fascism and prejudices? Against what is now happening to our freedoms and our country? Do you consider them lobbyists? Not ALL churches are in favor of 2025 and will fight against it, as Jesus would have.
Different use of the word 'endorsement'. Endorsing someone else puts a name other than God on the jersey, and the Commandments becomes suggestions. The clergy should preach on better ideas, and behaviors, but stay off the slippery slope of endorsing other men...
Yeah, well those churches aren't reaching through in the manner the bad ones are, and those do a lot more damage than the good ones do good. So what do you want people to do, give them all exceptions because the one you belong to is the one walking against the torrent going the other way?
Suggesting churches don't step onto the slippery slope of opposition, or endorsement. The church did sell passes to heaven long ago, and it didn't turn out well. Above my pay grade to say what they should do. Will say putting someone else's name on the jersey (endorsing) breaks their own rules...
There needs to be an audit of all of the churches. Some are good and more into helping the community and poor no matter how poor the church is. Others are more into building expensive churches and having a billionaire pastor who'd buy a plane before feeding a hungry child.
This reminds me of how Mattress Mack selflessly helps out with disaster relief, while Joel Osteen wouldn't let displaced people be in his megachurch because the carpets were just cleaned. Who learned the parable of the good Samaritan, and who hasn't read Luke 10?
I know, right? Unless a pastor has a high paying job outside of the church, or just received an inheritance from a rich family member, they should not have mansions and planes, they are worshipping the golden calf, not the Lord.
This ‼️
They should lose their tax exempt status regardless. I’m really into Lord of the Rings and I pay taxes. Let’s be real here, LOTR is a way more thoughtful and believable story than the bible.
Clergy already pay income taxes and were allowed to say whatever they wanted. The issue is institutional endorsements. Worst understood laws in America.
Absolutely fucking not. AND they should pay taxes.
Tax 👏 The 👏 Church
Bye bye tax exemption
I guess I'll start a church. I'll name it "The Church of The First Tee" in honor of Tangerine Palpatine.
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE ! WHAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS FOUGHT FOR !!!
Then why isn’t it a 249 year policy?
Are you asking the same about slavery, segregation, women's rights, or just cherry-picking what you think you're informed on, and clearly aren't?
You didn’t like your boys’ comment getting questioned so now you want to move the goalposts 😂 typical. I’ll bite. What about those issues?
The current admin hates real history They prefer Neo-Nazi and KKK fantasy
Exactly! A fact these people seem to have forgotten!!!
Then tax them.
Then they pay taxes. !
churches should stay in their own fucking lane.
The only benefit, if you want to call it that, is this will likely turn more people young people off to MAGA churches. Other than that I fully agree.
Churches should be “allowed” to pay taxes
Might as well give them a Religious Citizen United too because oligarchs buying elections is not destructive enough anymore. Nothing is new. Capitalism, fascism & religion always marched together. Our government was always infested with religious nuts. Here is a sample:
Now they should pay taxes
Of course this corrupt administration is allowing this ! Sickening
I believe the separation of church and state happened in 1776 or thereabouts.
This opens the door for more liberal denominations to make endorsements then. Anti-maga theology could attract a new wave of parishioners.
I feel the cons outweigh the pros. Many of the mainline Protestant congregations who could do this already have congregations with large swaths of Republicans, and many are insistent on keeping that nonpartisan stance as to keep them in pews. I’d like to hear more of the pros and cons here though.
I think I’m intrigued by the thought that this could cut both ways and could empower minority churches, for instance, to endorse local or state candidates.
To me, that feels more as if they threw it in there as a red herring, to make this plan seem legit. My guess is that they'll either word it so minority churches can't profit from the new law, or that they're not expecting those churches to have a very big impact. MAGA always tries to stack the deck.
Fine, the churches can pay taxes now, too. Right, IRS?
Absolutely not.
Just another reason to avoid organized religion like the plague it usually is.
"it isn’t clear whether the agency can unilaterally change the policy" Oh my I guess it's just one of those unknowable life mysteries that even some research by professional journalists can not solve. 🤷♂️
The laws are not enforced as they are so what difference does it make? At this point what difference does anything make?
To a large extent the result of the corruption of the Robert's Court
Truth!
The one we used to go to had a petition you could sign against gay marriage in front of the church
Churches should be paying taxes but I don't see that fucking happening.
Now we get to TAX them!
no, they still wont pay taxes, they will just be allow to freely influence their congregations now even though mixing religion and politics if forbidden in the Constitution!
They pay the tax or we take their property!
Churches should pay taxes then
NO
I have no problems with churches, making political recommendations, as long as they also pay taxes. In fact, I think churches must pay taxes. It is egregious that churches, including the Catholic Church, haul billions of dollars out of the economy to benefit themselves.
i dont think unregulated buildings full of impressionable people who are already susceptible to propaganda espousing even more of it should be allowed even if they pay taxes actually
Donations to the collections plate will be considered "tips", which under the new law signed in isn't taxable. See how all that fits together?
Like every fascist Trump policy, there’s a lot of detail to that story left out of public talk. There’s a $25k limit on that and it’s only in place until 2028.
My country is going to hell! To hell with separation of church and state.
Oh the sky is falling, the sky is falling
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Tax the churches. All of them.
When one entity gets a tax exemption, it means the rest of us have to pay more. Letting right-wing political cabals pose as churches means the public is subsidizing them. Just as stated in Project 2025.
And for that right they should pay taxes God Dammit!
The abrupt move to allow for pulpit politics is akin to There’s No Epstein list This WAS the IRS website in March of this year www.irs.gov/charities-no...
Your paper helped elect and enable this, enjoy!
Back in '54, the Republican-controlled Congress was concerned about TV evangelists telling millions of people who to vote for -- primarily due to the rise in popularity of Oral Roberts.
If they want to have a political opinion they need to pay taxes just like the rest of us. Do we have to do a whole class action suit thing to get the same TAX FREE right of political speech as the churches?
If they won't listen (--to Jesus fcol & "render to Cesar", but keep HIM OUT--) tax their arses. I got my own political opinions they can shut up about theirs. SEPARATE. Geez.
Of course. Preaching trump and not the gospel.
How about churches PAYING taxes and keeping Medicaid intact! But of course they only do what benefits them.
My church will never see a dime from me if they start that shite from the altar.
When my priests start endorsing candidates at mass, I will get up and leave! That’s when I am no longer a Catholic.
Then TAX the churches and religious organizations!!!!!
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Many churches will rapidly become political organizations as dark money flows into the coffers of clergy willing to deliver politically charged sermons to their congregations.
So…does that mean they are fair game to be picketed, protested, and public ally highlighted for their lies?
Sounds like it to me.
Tax the fuckers then. No problem.
No tax free status for churches
Then they should pay taxes!! Oh wait they should be paying taxes anyway the government should not be promoting any religions!!
Totally wrongheaded.
I endorse your anger. I endorse your smile.
let me guess. The guy behind this push at the IRS is a white christian nationalist
Nooooo!!! 🤬🤬🤬
Then tax the hell out of them.
How can they just change the law themselves???
easy when you have the SCOTUS in your pocket!
Merely legalizing their common practice. It's what Jesus wants!
Then they should pay tax. Are priests salaries taxed? Curious.
Then they should not have tax-exempt status.
This is some bullsh
Churches should be allowed to pay taxes.
Tax them!!!
If the IRS issued this then pony up boys, paying taxes is the obvious next step.
I thought the IRS enforced laws, not wrote them?
how do they survive on just $79 dollars a day.
AND FREE HEALTHCARE FOR LIFE, (& FAMILY) AFTER 2 TERMS
That ONLY APPLIES when in DC, but NOT in session, and on official business.
And? Should the poor KIDS get full time jobs to not starve? Meanwhile, these adults can’t afford to pay for lunch on their salaries and bribes?
I’m still confused why the IRS makes this decision
You’re absolutely right to question it. The IRS isn’t supposed to make laws, just enforce them. But in this case, it’s choosing not to enforce a long standing rule
Does that include the satanic church, Jewish churches, synagogues, Islamic churches, or just Christian churches
the minute a church endorses a political party, it ceases to be a church.
Just fvcking great
Cool. Now tax them
Cool. This is telling us that they won’t.
I know it says that - But the norm we all grew up believing is churches were not taxed because they were non-partisan non-profits. I believe they are both partisan and for-profit ….so I want them taxed
Me too. Are you on the IRS board?
they don't have to be
They do if they want to change the IRS rules.
no, you can still stay stuff like "this is bullshit" and "i'll vote for anyone who punishes this decision" without literally being on the IRS board
No shit, that's not what I was saying.
you should practice saying stuff but not at me
Go fuck yourself.
What is their rationale for tax exemption then?
No. As the wife of a former minister, I still say no. Too many people take their religious leaders’ word as capital-T Truth. We should not only keep clergy from endorsing, we should tax the churches.
Your perspective, as someone who’s seen this from the inside, carries serious weight. The separation of church and state wasn’t just a quaint founding ideal, it’s a firewall to protect democracy and religious freedom.
The wall between church and state fell when three FREAKKKs were installed on SKKKOTUS by Orange. And a lot of churches already do this. THE KKKRISTIAN ONES. No surprise. The COUP is complete.
It’s ONLY complete when 45% of voters DON’T vote. The PEOPLE have allowed this to happen cuz they don’t register AND don’t vote. On average 20% of ppl don’t register and on average 25% of registered don’t vote
LOL idk what to say anymore