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Mike: DO SOMETHING. Fight them now @michael859.bsky.social

The point I was trying to make is that people should only be judged in the time and circumstances they lived in. I think we can judge the circumstances and people in general maybe, but not individuals.

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Bryce Englin @bryceenglin.bsky.social

One thing I still struggle with and feel free to fill me in on the background of why 1619 was chosen for the research.

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Mike: DO SOMETHING. Fight them now @michael859.bsky.social

The claim is that the first shipload of African slaves arrived in 1619. English "Privateers" (pirates?) captured a Spanish ship and traded the slaves for food. I am starting to believe the adage "History belongs to whoever writes it." All I know is that it sure made a mess.

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Bryce Englin @bryceenglin.bsky.social

(1) I think a core argument at a lower level is why did folks settle on 1619? I can see the argument about what happened being plausible, but why the year? I say that because if I recall slavery had been going on for years going back to the 1500s. I agree it creates a mess.

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Bryce Englin @bryceenglin.bsky.social

(2) However, the mess itself is not because of the research but the way it was put together. Then again I believe your comment about owning history is a fair assessment of why it is vital to proceed with caution on research and making a case. The same argument could be made in multiple places.

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Bryce Englin @bryceenglin.bsky.social

(3) Rest assured I value these discussions and have no issues empathizing with you and others positions. I find it is not too hard to find common agreement on historical facts.

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Bryce Englin @bryceenglin.bsky.social

I agree and think your point is valid. My purpose was also not to distract from the discussion as I believe you provide great dialogue and value to the discussion. If we talk about things during the founders time I will agree their attitude was toward slavery even though some did wanted to abolish

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