I just posted like a dozen articles about the failures of Biden and the Dems and I could easily post a dozen more, or you could find it yourself with a simple ten second search. I'm not saying the GOP hasn't been worse - that's the point of the original post
If these failures of the past Democratic administration are so evident and so glaring, why don't you summarize them in 160 characters or so? I am especially interested in what Biden admin did that was as bad as politicizing masking, or promoting HCQ/Didier Raoult. Or talking about bleach enemas.
I’ll volunteer. He ceded to political strategists on dropping masking mandates and lowering the isolation period over Health experts. He complained about masking, and declared the pandemic over in 2022. He oversaw the CDC switching maps clearly intended to create a false calm.
Please see my post above for the definition of the threshold. None of the things you listed (which are indeed controversial) are in the same category as promotion of Didier Raoult/HCQ, ivermectin, or the bleach monologue. And no other country did much better.
You seem to keep thinking the argument is "Biden did exactly as bad as Trump", which is not an argument anyone is making; the argument is that Biden did poorly, and for very specific reasons.
This is the argument you made at the top of the thread. Also, what should he have done differently? Enforced the masking when 35% of the population was told by their tribe leaders not to mask? Go against SCOTUS on vaccination mandates?
Yes, enforcing masking would have been a good idea
How would you do it? Move National Guard into Tallahassee? I thought that approach is only for MAGA.
Yeah I guess we wouldn't want to do any boring or unpleasant things
I don't know what "much better" means, but countries with socialized medicine tended to do significantly better in controlling COVID and preventing fatalities than ones without it, and socialist and communist countries did better than capitalist ones as well.
I am no fan of the US healthcare system. But in this case, I disagree - because the difference in outcomes was not completely related to who pays. Case in point is Sweden, that has an amazing public system. They also completely mismanaged COVID.
Nicaragua, Angola, China, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, and Laos, Nepal, and Eritrea were all in the lower rungs of numbers of COVID deaths per million, while France, Italy, Russia, the US, and the UK were in the top 40
Believe me, you would not want to live in most any country from your top 9. Also, you cannot trust any numbers from NK or China (lol?). Of the "free world" countries, Australia was one of the most restrictive, and arguably had one of the better outcomes. But it also has only 10% of US population.
How do you know where I would want to live? My government won't even let me *visit* Cuba. Why can't you trust those numbers? Because communists are all liars? Go peddle your anticommunist bullshit elsewhere, Mr. PhD
He prioritized a “return to normal” that was unsupported by mitigations like clean air, mask requirements, and protections for disabled workers. He continued to require testing around his administration while telling the public it was over. His CDC refused for *ages* to confirm airborne spread.
He ended suggested states give “leftover” covid money to cops. His public health officials put out consistently confusing messaging regarding safety protocols. Sorry, this is more than 160 characters.
Here’s an excellent in depth discussion of the politically-motivated poor choices the administration made on Covid, though as an esteemed PhD who likes to announce their credentials, I’m surprised you don’t know this already. www.the-sentinel-intelligence.com/p/we-thought...
This is not a scientific paper. Reads like someone's online rant after "doing their own research".
I did not say it was a scientific paper. Public health is a combination of *sociology* and science. This was a discussion of the Biden policy failures. If you accept nothing but scientific papers as legitimate, you will be woefully underprepared to have intelligent conversations
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...
Okay, okay, valid. People were running out of patience by then but okay, your criticism is valid and I've heard it from other health and safety people. Vaccine uptake wasn't good enough but it wasn't going to get better.
Leading is done by example. If we’d had leaders unafraid to act for safety despite ignorant public opinion, things could be different. I probably wouldn’t be permanently disabled, for one.
I'm disabled due to relapsing recurring Epstein-Barr and Fibromyalgia. Which has been around forever and we don't even think about it. Shit happens. I'm sorry. I know it's hard.
Do your own work
I already did. I am an actual practicing scientist. I also have family members working at NIH. What's your PhD in?
My PhD is in people being condescending to me when I already linked an article from the NIH criticizing the Biden Administration response to COVID
Calling out ignorance and "do your own research" is condescension. Got it 🤡🤡🤡
Where did you link it? Article where? Was it signed by all the NIH personnel? And I am still waiting for an example of mismanagement from the Biden administration that equals the purchase of millions of doses of ineffective HCQ, or politicization of masking.
"As bad as Trump on COVID/public health" is not a "mild criticism". It is wrong, and it is damaging.
I didn't say that though, despite the fact you keep claiming I did.
So let’s see those criticisms for ourselves, Len. Prove it.
Indont know why i bither with you people because yoire not going to respond but here you go, the same Biden-era NIH report ive posted five five fucking times now pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...
he also joked on camera about not wearing his mask +lied in 60minutes' piece that covid was "over" which i daresay counts as politicizing but chknow it could be just sparkling politicalexpediency
Weak. If you linked it once you can link it again. Jackass.
Get lost
Is this your first day on the internet? That isn’t how this works. The person making the allegation has to back it up. This is basic internet etiquette and a known practice. Either put up or shut up.
First, I linked many articles making the point that the Biden administration made many critical mistakes in its COVID policy, and this person ignored all of them Second, you don't get to give me odd jobs
But you can say "don't both-sides" this all day long and that just tells me you don't understand how both sides fucked up. And that happened because they are both beholden to capital over the people. Contrast either Trump or Biden with many other countries and it's easy to see
Which countries? Be specific. Ideally cite numbers. I am listening. No country had "perfect" response. US response under Biden was not perfect either. But saying that "both sides" did it in this context is absolutely unsupported by evidence. Which politicians were anti-vax? Who pushed quack cures?
Admonishment that I do not understand my lived experience is rather pompous. You have not provided any examples in your criticism. You have just provided criticism.
More details for you to deny and ignore here: petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2022/01/05/f...
Your opinion and his opinion. I disagree. I think you've distorted history by looking for the perfect during a confusing and divided time. But here's what you can look forward to... No Covid vaccines at all. RFK Jr and his anti-vaxxers are pulling it off the market. So, there are no answers now.
It's not an opinion! It is a fact, as testified in the report of the Biden-era NIH that I linked to five times and that you and your fellow Democratic dead-enders have repeatedly ignored despite asking over and over for "proof".
I honestly don't see what y'all get from this. It is perfectly sensible to say that despite Trump being much worse on this issue, the Democrats have been bad. It's how you get accountability out of your leadership! Look what not doing that has gotten us! Trump barged through the door they left open!
How often can you hear that demanding no accountability, no responsibility, and no improvement from your party isn't going to help beat the worse party? How many times do you have to learn the same lesson?
Democrats are demanding so much accountability from their party that we're killing our own. Conservatives, no radical Republicans, are burning our Constitution and the public, like you, blame the Democrats. You're an ivory tower Marxist who does nothing but condemn.
LOL okay, that's about enough. Yell at clouds and wait for the party to save you
What? That's not what we were talking about. You changed the argument.
I've given you proof after proof and you've ignored it, you're doing exactly what I said you were doing: you're cheerleading for your party of choice and ignoring all evidence that they've made bad mistakes over and over
Because it's an opinion.
So now the NIH studies are "an opinion". Now who's anti-science? Do you not see that you're doing the exact same thing as the reactionary MAGAs you claim to hate?
Biden gave meager lip service to the idea that the vaccines (research paid for by our taxes) should be public domain, but did nothing more to make it happen. He declared COVID "over" and then got it himself almost immediately. He let state & local govts. spend mitigation money on cops. Etc., etc.
Well, you are denying MY lived experience, which includes being aware that Biden did a horrible job of "managing" COVID. (I voted for him, and for Harris, and HRC -- I always vote for the Dem. nominee in the general, because of course the GOP is worse, but that is *relative.*)
It is the same mindset that made people stay home (or vote for Trump) because of Biden administration's alleged support for Netanyahu. Normally I just scroll through posts like this, but shitposting of this kind about US science at this particular time in history is offensive.
Biden's support of Netanyahu was wrong. I did not agree with it. I saw us be complicit with Genocide. But I voted for Harris because I felt we had more of a chance to protest and petition for a change than with Trump. Calling my posts, shitposting is aggressive and has nothing to do with science.
I meant OP, not you :)
Okay