I’m thinking attacking the ECHR is absolutely on the table at Labour conference. They need something eye catching after all don’t they. Ripping up the international legal system seems about the level of desperation they may have reached.
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Let’s hope that sanity prevails. I cannot believe that a lawyer, such as Starmer could attack the ECHR. I could understand him proposing an international effort to bring it up to date. A very different position.
sep 19, 2025, 11:44 am • 1 0 • view
Which of the provisions is out of date?
sep 19, 2025, 1:31 pm • 0 0 • view
You cannot believe something, because you refuse to see it, it's that simple.
sep 19, 2025, 1:39 pm • 1 0 • view
Please let me have a direct quote in which Starmer attacks the ECHR. I’m happy to look.
sep 19, 2025, 1:42 pm • 0 0 • view
First you have to understand that cherry-picking is not an option. Then that claiming human rights prevent your actions means by definition that the actions you want to undertake are evil. Starmer has had his Ministers do both.
sep 19, 2025, 4:05 pm • 1 0 • view
Are human rights unfashionable now?
sep 19, 2025, 1:28 pm • 0 0 • view
“Bring it up to date” means “exclude foreigners from the full protection of human rights” and you can pretend not to see that much, but I can’t.
sep 19, 2025, 1:26 pm • 85 10 • view
On Reddit someome said we should leave ECHR and make it easier to deport asylum seekers. I pointed out that if we did Britons would lose important rights such as the right not to be tortured and to have a fair trial. I got the standard "Nonsense, we managed before we were a member of ECHR".
sep 19, 2025, 7:14 pm • 2 1 • view
Easily done. Just remove UK citizenship from non-White Brits or Brits of foreign descent, then declare all non-British persons, White (like me) & non-White not to be fully human aka "sub-humans" or "Untermenschen".Then we won't deserve any human rights to be protected. It's never been done before😱🤮
sep 20, 2025, 1:57 pm • 0 0 • view
sep 20, 2025, 1:59 pm • 1 0 • view
Once we exclude one part of society it becomes much easier to exclude another and another. The line in the sand has to be full access to human rights for all.
sep 19, 2025, 2:50 pm • 0 0 • view
sep 22, 2025, 3:36 am • 0 0 • view
Starmer is posting migrant bashing porn pretty much every week on his social media. Why do people think he won't go further? A man without any principles will always stoop to the gutter. Are we forgetting his hideous poster about Rishi Sunak and child abusers?
sep 19, 2025, 1:30 pm • 5 0 • view
Has his speech happened? I'm not sure when it is.
sep 19, 2025, 2:03 pm • 1 1 • view
The lawyer who condoned Israel's right to withhold food, water and energy from an occupied people? I fear your faith may be misplaced.
sep 19, 2025, 1:30 pm • 2 0 • view
Which of your human rights are you indifferent about?
sep 19, 2025, 2:04 pm • 0 0 • view
Which would be particularly staggering for a party with a lawyer leading it.
sep 19, 2025, 10:43 am • 4 1 • view
Or just a straight word-for-word recitation of Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech. Has Starmer enough time to grow a suitably shaped moustache?
sep 19, 2025, 10:38 am • 2 0 • view
If they cross that line, then it really is bye bye. It would be just as eye-catching to lay out all the benefits of ECHR membership & highlight why leaving it would expose us to the worst traits of fascism, like in Russia & Belarus. Pretty easy tbh, but I won't hold my breath.
sep 19, 2025, 12:26 pm • 4 0 • view
That would be shameful if Starmer (former human rights lawyer) tore up the ECHR or even diluted it to appeal to Reform voters. @teamlabouruk.bsky.social they're not going to vote for you in a million years & you're shedding support from the centre. Get rid of McSweeney - he's a neocon.
sep 19, 2025, 2:07 pm • 1 0 • view
How can they get this so wrong. Not listening to those who voted for them.
sep 19, 2025, 10:03 pm • 0 0 • view
It's a truly despicable betrayal of the vast majority of people who voted for them.
sep 19, 2025, 10:40 am • 42 5 • view
Those who voted Labour should have seen this coming!
sep 19, 2025, 10:47 am • 16 1 • view
I did. And I didn't. Starmer's rapid decline from Socialism has been the absolute disappointment to me. I genuinely didn't see this coming.
sep 19, 2025, 11:00 am • 19 2 • view
I understand that. But I didn’t vote Labour and did see this coming. As it happens I would only ever vote Plaid Cymru or Green anyway. But it was obvious to me which way Labour was going under Starmer once he praised Thatcher of all people!
sep 19, 2025, 11:11 am • 17 3 • view
Quite. Starmer showed us very clearly what kind of person he was when he helped sabotage Corbyn's mandate and broke every single pledge he made to become party leader. Integrity is when actions match words, and Starmer showed early on that he has no integrity whatsoever.
sep 19, 2025, 11:25 am • 18 2 • view
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sep 19, 2025, 11:54 am • 2 0 • view
I voted for Starmer in the leadership contest (mea culpa), because, at the time, I believed he was genuine about wanting to build a fairer/more compassionate/inclusive society. I was seriously mistaken. I’ve now joined the Greens, as has my wife, who was a Labour voter.
sep 19, 2025, 12:14 pm • 7 2 • view
Welcome aboard! 🍃
sep 19, 2025, 2:43 pm • 2 0 • view
Me too! I voted for him and was part of his leadership campaign! I had my first doubts in 2020, but I kept dismissing them. After all, he was a Remainer wasn’t he? 😩🤦♀️ He duped us all. Read “Get in” - it was a big deception.
sep 19, 2025, 2:04 pm • 2 0 • view
I didn't vote labour, but I believe starmer is doing a manful job of climbing out of the very deep hole the tories left behind.
sep 19, 2025, 2:07 pm • 2 0 • view
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
sep 19, 2025, 2:16 pm • 3 0 • view
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sep 19, 2025, 3:15 pm • 1 0 • view
I acknowledge that, but this racist rhetoric is beyond the pale, as is his allegiance to Israel ( although somewhat muted now), as is his ignoring Gaza.
sep 19, 2025, 4:11 pm • 3 0 • view
There has been some positives from Starmer's Labour but it is, by all means, not a great government at all.
sep 19, 2025, 4:16 pm • 2 0 • view
Agreed. On the big issues, like migration, Brexit & welfare reform they have been hugely disappointing. And classifying Palestine Action the same as murderous groups like Islamic State is beyond reasonable explanation.
sep 19, 2025, 5:32 pm • 4 0 • view
No one thought it could be this bad - so please don’t beat yourself up about it.
sep 19, 2025, 2:02 pm • 2 0 • view
At the last minute I didn’t vote Labour. I had all sorts of doubts but I never honestly thought it would be this bad!
sep 19, 2025, 2:01 pm • 1 0 • view
Those voters won't be voting Labour next time round. Every inch closer to Reform loses them votes. And they don't get it.
sep 19, 2025, 8:55 pm • 1 0 • view
There were causes for concern before the election, of course, but I think it is revisionism to say it is obvious it would have turned out this way. A lot of good people voted Labour, hoping for better. I think it is at best unhelpful to parade the I-told-you-sos.
sep 20, 2025, 1:32 pm • 0 0 • view
They're already ignoring their European Convention duties and obligations, and ignoring ECtHR judgments and agreements if you're trans. They've publicly attacked article 8 which our very existence hangs on. Before this VAWG and UN Rights Of The Child. If only people had noticed when we told them. 🫤
sep 19, 2025, 2:02 pm • 5 0 • view
They really aren’t paying attention to the opinion polls then.
sep 20, 2025, 12:51 pm • 0 0 • view
They´re shovelling their own grave. Good riddance to a morally bankrupt, perverted, useless party. But they are continuing to inflict grave damage on the UK.
sep 19, 2025, 1:10 pm • 4 0 • view
Yes- it’s desperation. I understand desperation to beat Reform - but this will alienate their base. Much of that base has now abandoned ship.
sep 19, 2025, 2:00 pm • 0 0 • view
Utterly evil. Is he actually trying to destroy the Labour Party so that he can stay in power? The party will never recover from this. This is actually what I now believe- unless someone on the soft left can rescue it now. As in NOW.
sep 19, 2025, 1:59 pm • 0 0 • view
it is what they want to do anyway, of course, but insane they believe it will help them
sep 19, 2025, 10:29 am • 14 0 • view
If it is, Farage will be all over it, claiming he made it happen. It'll backfire hugely on Labour.
sep 19, 2025, 11:51 am • 3 0 • view
They will not leave the ECHR, but they will bad-mouth it for sure. Thus satisfying absolutely no-one. The sane people will continue to be driven to the Greens and LibDems and the mouth-breathers to Reform, Even putting the morality aside, how can they be so astoundingly shit at politics?
sep 19, 2025, 10:35 am • 8 0 • view
I'm hoping enough Scots are sane enough to head for the SNP or Scottish Greens and on to independence before England drags us into fascism with Reform, Tories or Labour in 2029.
sep 19, 2025, 10:41 am • 4 0 • view
My prediction for the 2029 election is that it will be a straight fight in England between Greens (E+W) in some kind of pact with the Lib Dems versus Reform. It will be close and a hung parliament may give the SNP the power to demand an indyref as a condition of supporting a Green-led government.
sep 19, 2025, 10:53 am • 4 0 • view
I was hoping that in 2026 it's SNP Green majority and we move to independence before 2029 and can leave England to its own decisions. Far too risky to hope for a hung parliament in 2029.
sep 19, 2025, 10:58 am • 1 0 • view
Reform will be the next ruling party unfortunately. English voters seem oblivious to the fact that these are Tory ministers jumping ship. Those same people who destroyed the UK over Brexit and other matters, are now in Reform. Labour need to up their game and stop making poor people poorer.
sep 20, 2025, 2:44 pm • 1 0 • view
Given Starmer is completely incapable of reading the room I suspect, sadly, this will actually happen. The man either completely clueless about how the majority feel or doesn't give a crap and is just doing the bidding of his unintelligent right wing instincts.
sep 19, 2025, 12:06 pm • 4 0 • view
I suspect you are right. Tbh I’m more worried about Labour, and what they will do in government in the next few years than I am about a future Reform government at this point. And not just on this issue. The nature and influence if Blue Labour is getting less attention than it deserves.
sep 19, 2025, 10:32 am • 5 0 • view
You would hardly expect anything less from Emperor Trump's Quisling Governor-General.
sep 19, 2025, 10:32 am • 1 0 • view
Also Trump needs to be appeased further, to keep the ‘special relationship’ going. From the way he’s been banging on about it, even if Putin becomes the President of the US, that ‘special relationship’ cannot be stopped.
sep 20, 2025, 6:01 am • 2 0 • view
It’s an interesting approach. Adopting right-wing policies and rhetoric hasn’t worked for them, so obviously they now think they haven’t gone right far enough.
sep 19, 2025, 11:40 am • 1 0 • view
I wouldn’t be surprised. I wonder what the response of delegates will be. Not 100% of them are Starmer clones and groupies, and even some of them have enough awareness to know that this would be disastrous.
sep 19, 2025, 4:02 pm • 2 0 • view