The thing I’m looking out for is given Trump’s age and decline, team oligarchy is going to be looking out for some other cult leader who can pied piper people away from their own best interests. And I can’t imagine they really see Vance pulling that off.
I'm sure they'll find a way to turn Trump into a martyr and proceed with a "win one for The Gipper" type approach.
Nobody can stand him.
They see him as an useful idiot that is perfectly placed in his VP role.
He cannot.
I’m worried it’s gonna be Tucker the fucker.
Not a chance
Do the magats even like JD?
Agreed Vance doesn’t have “the juice” to run the cult
The only thing Vance can pull off: his own pants, and even that's debatable
Unless he's in an American Furniture outlet.
Cults are hard to program around a successor especially one as charisma free as Vance
JD would need to do successful reality TV show for about eight seasons in order to pull one over on those rubes.
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Trump will work, he’s already a myth, he’s already an avatar. None of his followers thinks he’s the decrepit pedophile, rapist, racist, traitor that he is. Trump dead is better for them, they don’t need him. Maga will never abandon their “team”.
He'll have plenty of help. And then there is Don Jr., most likely to succeed him. They created a cult with Reagan, Dubya, and I have no doubts Republicans can find someone adequate.
Don Jr has the likeability of moldy egg salad.
..and his dad Diaper Don?
Completely agree, and this is where the already-splintering coalition of MAGA and techbros that trump is the glue for will fall apart. Because vance, johnson, etc. are poison people.
Trump is already being pushed aside in full view. All the oligarchs need Vance for is to sanitize cheating in the midterm and 2028 elections. JD is openly willing to lie and even feels proud of himself for doing it: www.rollingstone.com/politics/pol...
Never happen. He’s so awkward.
Time to watch Death of Stalin again.
Yeah, I don't see Vance being the answer.
Whatever their plan is better involve the military. You don't impeach established dictators. What major dictator got fuckin impeached out of office by a congress? He'd hole himself up in the white house with marines surrounding him with orders to kill anyone who comes near.
Vance doesn't even have a likable personality.
The problem, of course, is that sociopaths aren't generally liked by society. bsky.app/profile/scho...
No, but he has the shoe in "legitimate" position to dump Trump with his young bucks all aligned (miller, musk, thiel, etc) to pull it off without violence using the shell left of our democratic principles.
Trump is a useful idiot to foreign powers. Vance is a simple idiot, not impervious to village outrage.
He can’t. I hope they recruit him, vigorously. Charisma of a shower squeegee.
the shillbilly is a JOKE
here's a shillbilly interview of a coked-out DJTJ youtu.be/fZ5MhNsmDVQ?...
JD is unlikeable. Nothing can change that vibe.
Wait, so, trump is POTUS, and you're saying that "likeability" is a factor?!
Ha! That’s a given that Trump is unlikeable. JD will never have the cult following.
They quite literally don’t need MAGA anymore. You’re underselling the fact that JDV is why P2025 is going to be continued when he replaces Trump. Maybe in the past, the needed MAGA. But not anymore.
Remember that DJT was able to capture his base in part because the pre-existing network of evangelical/Christian Nationalist leaders actively promoted him to their flocks. They will do the same for Vance. If they can convince the faithful that DJT is godly, they can convince them JD has charisma.
I remember when the evangelicals were skeptical about voting for Trump and the church leaders told them that anybody can be god's blunt instrument and they immediately fell into line. The puppet is interchangeable, so long as it's not a woman or a nonwhite man. 🤷♀️
If they thought they could do it they're have been doing it. Instead, Jaydee has been the Invisible VP, a complete non-entity. It's gonna hurt them when Trump's health knocks him out of action.
He's staying low to let the spotlight shine on his boss. I agree he would be a poor candidate in an open election, but if DJT passes during the term JD will pull out all the stops to lionize DJT: Huge, garish funeral, statues, face on currency, etc. to show his obeisance to the cult leader.
all the tik tok nurses say Trump is in heart failure
bsky.app/profile/patr...
i don't think they think they need to be elected ever again
Nor toadie Johnson.
Makeup Man is a fucking joke
Haha no, no way.
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But Peter Thiel purchased this Vice Presidency. Maybe Thiel has something else in mind besides an election. Otherwise, I totally agree. Vance seems to be universally disliked. He's also a misogynistic pig on steroids. I for one abhor him.
Their base’s extreme, against-all-odds devotion to Trump is so weird and incongruous that they are likely just as baffled as we are. The only difference is we’re trying to stop it and they’re trying to duplicate it.
They won't duplicate it. If Vance tries to take Trump out, the rabid MAGA base will scream about a palace coup to take out Glorious Leader. That's unless they arrange a "natural death" for Trump.
I’m thinking more along the lines of his successor after he dies of natural causes. He’s 79 years old, and not exactly taking care of himself.
Once the have the tools of a dictatorship, popularity ceases to be relevant.
Is Orban considered likeable/charismatic? Honestly asking because he's done some serious damage, autocratically speaking
But they still need most people to be either tuned out or on their side. If neither are true, they're in deep shit.
Respectfully, why are they in deep shit? How do you see this playing out? The Dems are gonna come in and start a new New Deal and take America out of its current wildly obscene America's Corporations First dystopian reality? I'm not so sure, given recent (5 decades) DNC history...
A new breed of dems. A tea-party style takeover. The people are pissed now more than ever, and it's only going to grow
Mamdani et al? If this is what you mean, I hope you're right!
Yes. Mamdani, AOC, Bernie, Crockett, Kat Abughazaleh, etc. Normie wine libs have gone full socialist now.
Y’all still scared of Trump like he some kind of wizard. Say what you want, but nobody else got folks this shook — even out of office. That’s real influence.
For some reason,that I'll never be able to comprehend,Trump has some strange and inexplicable hold on MAGA. Once he's gone,the snake will no longer have a head. And it will wither away,as all dead things do...
That’s the inherent problem with this cult — it’s chased out and/or destroyed anyone who might have a personality to compete with their Dear Leader
It won't matter. The Trojan horse is all the way in the door. They don't need Trump any more.
👆🏻 At this point Trump is only a distraction. The leaders of this US takeover needed: The Supreme Court ✔ The Legislative Branch ✔ An Enforcement $quad with Boot$ on the Ground (ICE)✔ and a 4th Estate that would come to heel ✔ The Unified Executive is just a ruling office, not a personality.
But the monster is now too strong for them to stop.
The bigger problem will be infighting. Republican party is now just warring factions of ill-informed crazies held together by one thing: loyalty to Trump.
I keep saying this same thing.
I was JUST saying Vance doesn't keep the cult. He does have Theil backing him which helps him. But I think R's in Congress start to cya to try to get re-elected.
Vance by himself? No. Vance + a new Kristallnacht? Possibly. Putin was never likable but once they experienced some ‘terrorist attacks’ the people mostly fell in line, and it’s been photoshopped pictures of dear leader and fake elections ever since.
Agree completely. Easily manipulated, sure. Definitely not the messiah that they ridiculously believe Trump is.
That would be true in a society with fair elections. They’re currently trying to to rig future elections and if they succeed, popularity will not matter. Vance would be unpopular but he’d also be locked in for life.
Not a chance - he gets booed every where he goes. I mean when you get booed at Disneyland…..🤦🏻♀️
Vance doesn't have the juice. Does anyone? (Not that I've ever been able to even imagine what draw Trump has.)
He talks like a belligerent frat boy about beating people up. This is the dominant conversation in most American social circles. Americans have always like to talk about beating people up for some reason.
I think the oligarchs have learned their lesson re: 'charismatic' leaders with 47 and don't want to risk giving a younger version the reins. Vance is an obedient puppet who should be easy to replace if he gets out of line without riling up the deranged MAGA base.
True, but without a replacement cult leader, they also don't have someone who can sell their vision to the people like trump does.
There are a couple of possibilities - one is that they're not thinking through the consequences, just looking to dump the liability that 47 has become. Another is that they don't think they'll need to sell anything to anyone once they put the new ICE stormtroopers on the streets of US cities.
There are also multiple factions at play. For the McConnell GOP & Fed. Society, scheming for decades, 47 was never in the plan. He stole their carefully cultivated, poorly-educated patsies and groomed them into his loyal cult. And the tech bros only share some goals with older oligarchs.
Vance IS the Heritage foundation and project 2025.
No can replace Trump when it comes to his cult following. He's been cult-ivating them for too long. 😁
I feel Vance would need to have something even approaching a brain first.
Vance can't on his own, but with Peter Thiel behind him creating the narrative, who knows what they'll be able to pull off.
Tucker Carlson
There are too many nasty candidates
Agree.
Gonna be a helluva battle for succession.
Who followed the most corrupt mayor in New York history? LaGuardia did. He has an airport named after him.
Definitely. Fandom has eaten politics and Vance simply has no fandom. Not even among the creepy online fascist-futurist community.(He's a negligible politician, so that avenue is also closed.)
Trump would not have chosen him if he thought he was capable of replacing him.
He didn't. Theil did.
When MAGA realizes that Vance was Thiel’s pick, the way Pence was Manafort’s pick, it won’t end well for him.
We'll see. Theil and Project 2025 is pretty much embedded. It won't end well for US in short term. It's been hijacked, eh?
If Trump lives out his term I am Sure there will be a big clumsy campaign for Vance as the heir to Trump. Will Trump stand for it? He gets upset when anyone is between him and the camera. And Vance isn’t exactly Mr Charisma. I other words I think a lot of republicans are hoping Trump croaks soon.
I have also wondered who is quietly in the background waiting to exit his acting or TV gig.
They're all ridiculous jokes. It will be a hard sell.
They only needed a pied piper to win the election. They don't need actual voters anymore, so they don't need a pied piper.
Yup. Vance has the charisma of skunk spray... I don't see him succeeding.
Nope. Lacks any of the “charisma” that TACO possesses.
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Peter Thiel would like to have a word.
Inasmuch as I understand it, Vance is more like an optional attachment rather than the main fixture. Many in the cult recall that Vance called Trump "America's Hitler."
I wonder if the original replacement plan was Elon. And there is no good plan b.
That’s who Miller endorsed so he’s likely the successor and will be equally has horrific.
No major player in MAGA has what it takes to replace Trump. The house of cards will collapse.
No one but Trump could, that’s why they ran him and all his dirty laundry again.
JD absolutely cannot pull it off on his own. But if they pair him with Junior or Eric, enough of the cult magic might rub off to make him extremely, extremely dangerous.
Nah, Vance ain't got that kind of juice.
From what I'm seeing within my own social circle, there is no MAGA without Trump. The aftermath power struggle could diminish the GOP for a generation. But he might be around for longer than people expect.
He'll live to 114 to spite us. I don't see a quick substitution of Vance, MAGA would declare holy war on the "RINOs"
