ok I really gotta watch it, just not gonna get Disney plus

Dude, Gilroy has made a masterpiece. The writing, screenplay, and acting are all top notch. From Andor to Mon to Luther, all of the cast has been stellar.

Luthen* damn autocorrect

Ditto. Would be better without commercials literally every five minutes.

Well I watched severance on your recommendation and was not disappointed...so maybe I'll watch some star wars adjacent content for the first time in like a decade.

In terms of Star Wars content Andor is in a league of its own honestly

You will not regret it. I'm not the most into Star Wars in my family, and a lot of the newer stuff hasn't worked for me. But Andor is on a whole different level from anything Lucasfilm has *ever* produced.

As someone who feels meh about Star Wars in general… Andor is very, very worth it.

I keep going slackjawed by the realness of this space show. "I'm not sure I can do this" "Welcome to the Rebellion"

You see the new season of Foundation is coming out in July?

wait what

youtu.be/5bMCpnEi4k0?...

Oh fuck yeah! Giant wheels!

And the Mon Mothma speech where she insists on calling it a genocide while other senators boo her. There are definitely no possible parallels to draw there.

Waiting for “waaaah it’s woke” crowd.

Yeah that moment gave me chills to be honest. A lot of the series has been eeriely on the money but also never heavy-handed or lazy, always character driven in the heart of all the politics and radicalism going on.

I agree! It's been so good!

“I told you assholes that trade disputes and parliamentary procedure were badass” - George Lucas, probably

its kinda crazy that gilroy has only ever spoken to lucas once, for like 10 minutes on the phone

I think it’s safe to say that Gilroy probably read The Hero with a Thousand Faces, which was plenty.

Not to mention that Gilroy has a literal library in his basement with thousands of books on history of various insurgencies. Andor, and Rogue One, are the deepest and most comprehensive meditation on the pathways, risks and costs of rebelling against an Autocracy... Ever.

We might live an a decaying fascist failed state but come on we get almost 3 hours of r rated star wars every week. No boobies yet though :(

It's far from R-rated lol. It's TV-14, not MA. If it were R-rated we'd be getting f-words and gore.

Disney is lucky how bloodless blasters, laser swords, and space battles are!

The did say shit. That’s a new one by star wars standards.

True! I did catch that.

Opening the season with Cassian pep talking a scared but courageous defector was just pure genius. Quiet, humane genius.

Also, repeatedly showing the impact of random people who have chosen to do something - like the two workers who... Basically just did their job, repairing a door in the most maliciously compliant way possible.

I love how Andor highlights the power of unity. Cassian is sometimes a catalyst (Narkina-5), sometimes a witness (Ghorman), and sometimes he just uses the situation to his advantage (the Rix Road riot), but he is not the "chosen one" who saves the day. At least until Rogue One.

Those two are probably my favorite minor characters of the season tbh.

They are my favorite bit players hands down, great time for malicious compliance to come for the empire

50 likes is a record for me, thanks all.

Just begun the 2nd season, it is so good. But hoping those those smug libs on Chandrilla get hauled away to concentration camps.

I was wondering how they were going to wrap up the romantic relationship before the end since Cassian and Jyn had a brief moment on Scarif but I’m not really happy how that happened. I mean I get it but it felt too easy and a little cheap to add to his ethos development

I've bounced off season 1 a few times now but with all this talk I think I'll have to just commit and do it

which bit did you get stuck on?

It starts off slow, but hits a stride on episode 3

I love the exclamations Robert uses. His boy howdys and Christ almightys reminds me of my dad

I'm still thinking about the Ghorman Massacre & probably will be for weeks. What will be left of the planet after 1 year? It'll be just an asteroid field now. 💥 I'm still curious what happens to Mon's family. Do they denounce her or support her under pressure!? 🤔

It's so incredibly well done. I love seeing the everyday living scenes. Syril and Dedra making dinner, especially got me! She's evil and conspiring by day, but girls still gotta eat! These characters are so layered. Savoring every second!

Disney cut my (allegedly borrowed) account as I'm 3 episodes in! Christ riding a Chiron what timing!

Top tier television and top Star Wars content.

It's my favorite media product of all time. It's perfect. Every second is used. The amount of cultures created for this show is astounding

Glad to hear that. I loved the first season. Haven’t started watching the second season yet

[Spoilers below]

I love that the plan for Ghorman is "let's remake all the mistake from Ferrix, but this time we're the one pushing on both sides and we're prepared for everything". The taking over. The tensions rising. The green, untrained riot troops. Same progression, but this time completely intentional.

I like that they gave Cyril a tiny bit of redemption, but not more than he deserved. He isn't someone who would commit or knowingly countenance genocide. And that's the only redemption he had the chance to receive. He took too long to get there for anyone to take a chance on him.

I like how they broke up the two two ideas of walking away from something and fighting against it. It’s a little simplistic to believe that those who become disillusioned by the Empire immediately become rebels. It takes a lot to walk away, but choosing to fight against it is another thing entirely.

I like that Mira hit him with "befehl ist befehl, we'll be rewarded" and his reaction was "what the fuck did you say, what the fuck did you get me into, get away from me you monster". I've said it before, he was just a guy who found meaning in being a rent-a-cop and was happy to be useful.

I'll be honest, his end would have been 80% better if an imperial soldier had come in, seen a guy with a gun and shot him. That would have been the final nail in the coffin of his betrayal by the Imperial system.

I absolutely agree with this take. He didn't deserve the sympathy of amending his ways and doing The Right Thing. Just to see that he'd done The Wrong Thing. I sincerely hope that he's contrasted by a Dedra next week whose trauma has only galvanised her further into authoritarianism.

Remember this is the same guy who was outraged to his core by his CO ordering him to cover up the murder of two dirty cops. I believe Syril feels some empathy for the Ghor, but I think his mostly shaken by the scale of the Empire's corrupt deception. They broke "the rules". They violated "order."

Yes but he still made a choice. The point I think is that it could have led to further choices. He might have wound up a hero. But it was far too late for that.

I always figured the point of Syril was to warn about the futility of a life spent serving fascism, and for a little glimmer of a moment I thought I'd be wrong 😭

It's not futile that, unlike his girlfriend, he turned away before going over the edge. But it wasn't enough to save him or give him a chance to make more of his life.

He's got that moment where the Gorman are getting massacred and he's about to maybe do something. But then he sees Cassian and he flies into a violent rage.

Yeah I was locked in for that sequence, like... for a second I really thought Syril might wake up.

I like that he's one of two maybe decent people blown away in these episodes because they took too long to make choices. And I like that Rylanz gets to learn who he is twice. First: before the massacre, that he isn't truly a rebel. And second, after his family dies, that he sure as hell is one now.

One my my favorite details is how horrified Mon Mothma was at seeing how casually the hardened killer sent to extract her gunned down two people. This was her first experience with the actual actions she’s been funding. Felt like an authentic reaction.

I love this because she's been trying to fight the Empire with diplomacy and legislation, and now she's for the first time encountering the violence that is necessary for revolution. The rebellion definitely needs her, but it also needs people like Cassian.

Rylanz' "How do you say that? You do you speak the words?" will haunt me The visceral disgust at hearing someone spout propaganda "What kind of being are you?"

I look forward to watching it when it comes to physical next year.

Who do you think was the 2nd who took too long? Mon's driver?

Yeah

Okay, cool. I thought he was reconsidering when he went looking for her but then thought he might be trying to appease ISB. I like the unknown w/ both guys. I need to watch again.

yeah, i really appreciate the setup with that driver, i think we get just enough to see that he's probably weak enough to flip or deceive -- so Cassian can immediately shatter that idea when there's no longer time

Rylanz was like Taye Kolman (mon's blackmailing friend)...not really into rebellion when push came to shove but then Becomes one unlike Taye.

He was a rich man who thought the Empire could be talked to. But when he lost everything he made the choice to rebel.

I think it's also interesting that he's the only one who has a cold enough head to see the trap, but his warning are unheeded because he is seen as soft. Leading to everyone dying. It's the old man who cried wolf.

I like how they showed the squat bearded guy (who I assume is named Pierre or Jacques) took over as leader using the council meeting. I'm not sure if it's cry wolf. he was more timid & didn't embody the feelings of the rest of the fighters/revolutionaries. Either way, quite incredible.

The acting has been superb. The writing incredible. The action sequences rooted in reality. This three episode arch was some of the best tv. It’s amazing what a well read show runner and writing room can create.

The "writing room" is Tony Gilroy's brother, Dan Gilroy

The talent in that family. 🤯 I really Hollywood just throws truckloads of money at them to make whatever they want.

Yes, and also, it's hard to imagine more money than they just spent.

Agree 100%

*I really hope Hollywood… Wow I can’t type today.

My eyes read what you intended 👍🏼

I know it is a smaller role but Anton Lesser is sublime. He is a reflection of a show filled w/superb acting.

I keep seeing subtle ways that his role as Chief Superintendent Bright informs this role. (And the ways it doesn’t: Bright grows a heart in Endeavour. Partagaz never will.)

Robert, y’all gotta do an ICHH about how Andor and other popular media (shows/movies… but specifically Andor) mirrors or correlates with what’s happening with America and the rest of the world right now and what we can learn from it. I would sit through fuckin HOURS of it.

I love how it keeps showing Cyril and Dedre both absolutely failing the same moral test in different ways; Cyril fails bc he takes too long to answer the call, Dedre fails bc she's chasing the obviously bullshit promise of reward for smothering her soul

like girl your boss is practically giving you the Jafar "you will be HANDSOMELY rewarded" treatment how do you not get that you are a trained interrogator!!!

Oh I'm not sure those promises of reward are bullshit. We see people like her rise through the ranks. In fact, I'm kind of expecting her arc to finish ironically- with a promotion onto the Death Star.

I was 100% sure she was setting up to get Benghazi'd and now I'm only 50% sure the "reward" is going to be "enjoy this medal and your new desk job, keep your mouth shut"

Love that they didn't do the obvious thing and give him a redemptive arc and that even at the point where he's on the cusp of it, seeing his nemesis kills it stone dead due to his obsessive jealousy of Cassian. Cass then not knowing who is even is...icing on the cake.

I loved that too. It felt so perfect. Even when some people can recognize that something is WRONG wrong, they still get so caught up in obsessive hate that stops them from doing anything about the wrong. He was perfect.

it's entirely possible that given a few years he might have become a hero. more than made up for his flaws. but those who collaborate with fascism don't have unlimited time to redeem themselves.

It’s like what I was always taught as a lapsed and returned Catholic. The door is always open for the Prodigal Son to return home, but his opportunities to reach that door are limited by his dwindling life expectancy.

The interviews with Kyle Soller are interesting on that note: collider.com/andor-season...

how many kyles they got who look like that

if the show had longer to run it's easy to imagine an arc where he learns enough that he ends up flipping enough that he gives the rebels information that points them towards the death star program, and that would've been more satisfying but I think less interesting

PS. On a different note, I need that treehouse. Holy crap super cute. I love a dome.

I did wonder if he was included in the plan from the beginning whether he would have been more ok with it though. Instead he's been living and working among Ghormans for however long, kind of seeing them as people, and then the way he found out was a shock and betrayal to him personally

We never see anything from him that makes us think he'd be OK murdering civilians. I just don't think he'd ever have had that in him

The bit where they seemed to open the door for redemption only for him to see Andor and his basest self to take over and take his helplessness out on the guy who started it all for him was *chefs kiss* perfect character arc

he's not even thinking. doesn't go for his gun. he just charges. and who knows, he hesitated to shoot. might have changed his mind in a few seconds. but there wasn't the time.

I don't think he had a gun. I don't recall him picking one up except Andor's. the hesitation is fascinating to dwell on.

Oh they show that he had a holstered gun after he died. He never even thought to go for it before charging.

I missed that. Damn. Fascinating. Gotta watch again. Cyril-cassian fight was so good. I was legit afraid Cassian wouldn't make it!

For some reason I knew he'd live.

no they don't it's Cass's gun lying against his leg that Cass grabs again after he's killed.

Killed by the nonviolence guy as a result of his betrayal. Layers upon layers

Yeah from season 1 I really felt like Cyril had the capacity to be on the right side. His driving motivation had always been to do the right thing - he would break the rules to do things that he considered to be morally righteous! He just was completely in the wrong about what being right was.

The "who are you" moment is so brutal because Syril spent years hyperfocused on Cassian and made him a symbol of the "evil" side. Yet, to Cassian, he was just another face amongst the Empire and he didn't spare a thought for him as a person.

I think Syril also realizes in that brief moment that he doesn't know himself. He has no idea who he is.

He was JUST starting to feel what a real community felt like. I think that brief pause and drop of his weapon was exasperated desperation. Just a question Cyril never asked himself until that very moment.

I do think he had started to go native, genuinely thinking of Ghorman as home. He had started to adopt the dress and let he's hair grow out more like their culture. The realization that the Empire would destroy his adopted home broke his belief in its morality.

I legit thought he might defenestrate Daedre there for a hot minute.

It's interesting how badly diedra misunderstands him. She essentially leads him to water and asks him how it tastes in terms of him breaking out of the propaganda.

I found it almost surprising that she seemed to genuinely actually care for him. Right down to having a panic attack when she realises he'd left the building and was out in the carnage outside. It's one of the few times we've seen her outright lose control.

she isn't a psychopath. she loved him, took comfort from him and most importantly knew what she was doing on Ghorman was wrong. She chose to do it anyway. Because while she knew who she was, who she was is nothing but a job. Syril showed he was at least a little more than that

💯 I love that they DIDN’T make her a one-note psychopath. It’s way more interesting (& relevant) to explore the idea of fascism’s horrors being advanced by people who are, at their core, *people.* With dinners, in-laws, & feelings- yet still choosing to participate in brutal systems of oppression.

I loved that he was someone who sort of came around but too late

I love the spin-around shot of Cyril taking in the consequences of his actions, on the cusp of reconsidering all he holds true, only for fate to offer one last temptation. He unknowingly enables the destruction of a planet for revenge on Andor and still jumps at the first chance he gets.

Cyril leaning into that weird Dale Cooper resemblance he's had since season one, good to see

This was also peak for me, he was a collaborator for too long to feel like he deserved any real redemption He was blind to his own actions

he wasn't a monster. he made the choice to not be a monster. but by the time he started to learn who he was the galaxy was moving too quickly for him to survive, or for his conscience to matter.

I also wonder if he specifically wouldn't be ok with :this: genocide because they fit his model idea of "good people" - urbane, fashionable, orderly. It felt intentional that the first we see of Karn is that he altered his uniform to make it more tailored and he winds up on a planet of tailors.

Perhaps, what matters ultimately is that he left the second he realized what was happening. He had his own private rebellion. It just wasn't enough.

It really makes me wonder if he might have actually joined the Ghorman Front had he not seen his sworn enemy in the moment of his transformation

It did feel like the moment the wool was pulled away and he realized that the "Empire as a force for good and order" was always propaganda which felt realistic to generally decent people I know growing up in the US who also couldn't fathom this country being the bad guys

He didn't lack for physical courage. He appeared to be developing moral courage. In time he might have become a better man. Time wasn't on his side.

Agreed. But also that it's not an on/off switch. Seeing Andor there confirmed that he was right about outside agitators and gave him slightly more grip on the idea that maybe he was on the right side all along.

I actually don't think he thought of that at all. Whatever else Cassian killed two men he regarded as colleagues and innocent. Syril had been obsessed for years. In the midst of all his pain charging Andor was all that made sense. He didn't think. He had a gun and didn't even draw it.

I do think the reaction to seeing him aiming at dedra definitely played into it, tho I don't know if we can be sure he knew what cass was aiming at

plus he was emotionally and physically primed to flip out in that moment

I can see that read. Maybe the Space France of it all made it feel even more that their relationship was a twist on the Javert/Valjean thing and I think there's something of him trying to reassure himself that he had always been on the side of good in that moment

yeah. so much good subtle character work. the Gorman who fucked up during the heist redeeming himself by ramming a cop droid. the little moment with Mon and Bail. beautiful stuff.

This show hits like a fucking 80 megaton bomb what the fuck man how did this even get greenlit I'm awestruck

because it made literally like a billion dollars for Disney already

Dont be ridiculous…its only 0.5 billion

This particular skeet being the only one that wasn’t visible on my feed is so funny 😂

How does each tranche of episodes just keep getting better?

Holy shit this show is incredible. I hope it wins every award.

It is sooooo good and the scene with the singing gave me chills. It also seems to mirror what's going on in the world at the moment. I am PISSED about Cinta. WTF let the lesbians be fucking happy gah.

My first instinct was to be so angry, but no one is going to have a happy ending in this story. I’m just glad they reunited and confirmed their love exists and is important in its own right in the midst of rebellion.

I'm upset about Cinta as well 😢but it was treading that direction, I think. Our heroes can't/won't catch a break. The Rebellion is all-consuming. You see it with Cassian & Bix too, just at the point when Cassian was ready to give it all up for her! Cinta was the 1st casualty of the massacre.

I think Andor as a whole the best Star Wars anything.

My wife and I aren’t all the way caught up on the second season but I find myself thinking multiple times an episode “this is Star Wars? I can’t believe they’re going this far.”

I kinda thought the theft escape was a bit much. But yeah . I've only seen the first 3.

it's definitely treats to make nerds pay attention they're going oh my god he doesn't know a podracer style thruster since it's an experimental craft for anakin and then they may walk away with more than they expected

Its kinda weird they didn’t touch on that much, what did they even do with the ship after that

Keep watching

ive watched

Ohh! Sorry I assumed.... Nevermind, sounds like fun :-D Thanks.

Can't help but feel there's some significance to the fact that literally the *only* thing Cassian says to Syril is to ask who he is. Like, yes, Syril, this is how little you matter. The guy you probably consider your nemesis doesn't even know who you are. You are no one. Maybe I'm reading into it

Remember "The Axe Forgets"... guess Syril was the tree

No that's what it meant but there's a deeper meaning. This episode is all about our characters deciding who they are, or showing it, from the bellhop at that hotel to Rylanz, fleeing confrontation then re engaging. Syril shows he isn't a genocider but he never learns who he is beyond that.

Syril is Javert and Andor is Space Miserables’ Jean Valjean, in some ways

The thing that made it hit harder for me was that he didn’t seem enraged at Cassian as much as on the verge of a breakdown because he had no idea who he actually was anymore…

Agreed. He was lashing out and it's a perfect irony that Cassian Andor is right there and STILL has no idea who Syril Karn is.

I won't lie, that line was also kinda funny for me personally, because the whole time they were fighting, I was thinking, "is this the first time these two have even been in the same room? Does Cassian even know who Syril is?"

Syril lost his original career hunting for Cassian, spent so much time obsessed with catching him to redeem himself, and meanwhile to Cassian this guy clearly hates him with a personal passion, but he has no idea why.

He might have briefly caught sight of him when he and Luthen originally escaped the trap on Ferrix, but that was years ago

“Who are you?” Brutal. But also completely without malice. Syril’s tiny facial movements. Slight droop of the hand. 5s worth of frames.

Cass put a gun to Syril's head on Ferrix right before he and Luthen escaped, but was behind him and possibly Syril never saw his face.

Cassian briefly held him at gunpoint escaping Ferrix but I believe that’s it.

Syril's a true believer whose faith and world view just got broken. He doesn't get the chance to process that before he runs into his "pure" enemy, the (corporate) cop-killer that he views as unambiguously evil and spent years chasing after. it's devastating when that is meaningless as well.

No, you're not reading into it.

You nailed the first level. But watching Syril grapple for 2 seconds with the implications of that question is peak TV: are you a killer? A spy? A traitor? A good German? A rebel? He is suddenly free to decide in a way he hasn't been before, but the moment is gone in a flash.

It was a crazy end to Syrils story. The guy he'd been tracking for years had no idea who he was, and then he just died anyway. Brutally done.

I have been disappointed with the second season, and Syril choking Dedra is part of why. The show doesn’t comment on it, but in reality choking by the neck is one of the most psychopathic acts you can do (per research). He’s a monster, same as her, it was only a matter of time until he broke

I'm surprised how many are sympathizing so hard with Syril in spite of all the little tells that he's Not A Decent Guy, and I have a hypothesis. In like ANY police/detective procedural, his archetype would be the good guy. That's decades of cultural programming.

I think that was really solid characterisation. He and Dedra are both fascists, and their go-to in their relationships is coercion. You see it on her side when she lays down the law to his mum. In both incidents, they're actually trying to achieve a worthwhile goal, but because they're fascists...

... they do so by fascist means. That's just how they think about relationships, and it poisons what they do even when they're following their consciences

I think it’s just that the subjectivity of viewing media/death of the author/etc means that people sometimes need their hand held to get the point. They needed a character to pause the scene and explain that he was a lifelong bitch and every value he hold true was in service to evil

But the scene was still built around empathising with him because he was sad and his mother who created him but also who he deserved has sad when he died. But I always saw how each time he had the chance to succeed or learn, when the rubber hit the road, he failed to live up to it, up to the end

Sad-sack fashie to his last pathetic breath

THE GALAXY IS WATCHING

I really wish Disney hadn't shortened the multi year arc into just this season. I'm loving it, but you can see how each of these 3 ep arcs could have really been developed into an entire season. Lots of great world building that could have used a bit more time to cook.

Agreed, but I totally understand. Tony Gilroy is like 70, and Diego Luna is 45, and they already retconned Cassian from 26 to 34ish by R1. With as long as it takes to do each season, he'd have been like 50 and playing a 30 year old. He looks DAMN good, but 50 isn't passing for 30.

Episode 7 was great all the way through. Episode 8 floored me. Episode 9 gave me full-body chills and jumping and shouting out of my chair. My favourite 3 episodes of live action TV ever. Soooo fucking good.

It's just old school scifi aeh. Take a real world problem and talk about it in a fictional setting, no bullshit. I love it.

The faux french was really dumb though. They had a bunch of great french actors. I keep wishing this wasn't a Star Wars show. Not allowed to show a bit of nudity or swearing, violence and death are seemingly ok however. That Star Wars intro with the masks is shit as well.

It's a goddam shame it's only 2 seasons!! Fucking crap like NCIS has been on longer than some on this site have been alive, for crissakes.

The writing is just astounding.

Space tlatelolco was horrifying and brilliant and brutal and well shot and shocking and sad and relevant. 10/10 no notes this is the best antifascist media in living memory

The fact the the Empire brought in green recruits to be sacrificial lambs. Why risk hardened soldiers when you can just lose some disposable recruits? Their whole purpose was to be unwittingly martyrs while the officers smile behind barricades.

And I believe it wasn't just that, because it was a very intentional evil. Green recruits would be more likely to panic and incite the riot, while also reducing the situational awareness that might have allowed them to see that the shot didn't come from the crowd.

This is definitely the reason for it.

Episode 8 went so much harder than any SW show has the right to, and I say that as a fan. Goddamn what a rollercoaster.

Agreed 100%. Please say that you and the team will continue your reviews on the podcast, I loved your first episode and now I just wanna hear you guys talk about anti-fascist art like Andor and how it reflects history and current events, lol.

Fine. I guess I need to the watch season one and then watch this.

Just starting this batch. I am thrilled.

They did a Space Bloody Sunday. The Gorman literally had Green and Orange flags and they were massacred by Space Brits. It’s not subtle

Shocked a guy named Gilroy would invoke the Irish Revolution in his work

Screencrush also showed that they drew filmic references from The Battle of Algiers

Man oh man, you’re saying everything I’ve been saying to my wife the entire run of the show re: Syril. In the bigger picture, entire papers could be written about this show in a scholastic setting. There’s just SO MUCH there. Many of the wonderful comments here reflect that.

I think this Andor guy has a bright future

he's a messenger

The messengerrrrr

Any chance you know what the message is? Still racking my brain. Them Jedi... Real mysterious

It's a specific message: death star plans

I sure hope he's safe when he delivers those!

Episode 8 really made me sad Andor was reduced to just 2 seasons. Can you imagine 12 episodes to do the Ghorman Massacre?

on one hand, yes. but the actors have said they weren't prepared to be playing the same character for 10 years. and each actor seems to love and cherish their character and their time with the script, I think that dedication comes through I'd hate to see later seasons if resentment set in

There's alot that the show touched on that I would like to see more of, but the show is about andor at the end of the day and he wasn't there very much

Unfortunately, the turn around time between seasons was 3 years, and each season cost $300 million. That kind of massive gamble just isn't sustainable in the long run, and we got way more than most expected

and Gilroy (and on behalf of the rest of the team) said in an interview how the time commitment would be too great "we'd be making it for the rest of our lives!". initially they were a lock for 5 seasons tho

Yeah, I've seen that, especially how Gilroy blames Diego Luna's face, but I still wish we could have gotten at least one more season and give each story arc six episodes. What they've done is majestic, I just wish we could bathe in it for longer.

Should I start at season 1 or jump into the current season?

Start from the beginning and enjoy the slow-build tension on the way. And the BEAUTIFUL visuals, my goodness. I wish I could watch it for the first time again.

why would you do that

Definitely worth starting at the beginning

You're gonna make me watch this nonsense, aren't you?

All the reporters using The News Voice to lie about Gohrman got me spooked good. Flashbacks of watching my parent’s tube TV in the spring of 2003.

There is also one using a perfect, right on the nose BBC reporter accent

It was so chilling to hear the reporters repeatedly using the phrase "Ghorman's inexplicable resistance to Imperial norms" like it was fed to them all beforehand

Because it was. Partagaz says that phrase when talking to Dedra

And yet it doesn't even need to be fed to them, as long as that is the public position of the empire and they know compliance is needed to further their careers.

It's the most anti-fascist TV show I've ever seen

That good? I might have to pick it up again.

I can’t believe this is a Star Wars show. I feel like this is the game of thrones of 2020s with more political relevance. It’s incomprehensible

man I don't mean to lib out but it's possible that Star Wars television show Andor is actually a critically important piece of art for the time we live in

Kill the part of you that thinks it’s lib cringe to enjoy something good

Enjoying something good isn't lib cringe. The libshit tendency here is to act as though a piece of art is capable of transforming the world. Andor was great. I enjoyed it and maintain that it's important art, in part because it acknowledges that we gaze at the hopeful future across a river of blood

Indeed, brilliant season throughout but the latest two episodes 8 and 9 were just staggeringly good #Andor

That wasn't Andor- it was the news

Just started S1 last week, it’s great!