I have been purposefully avoiding this bc other than the kid who died, who cares about a bunch of rich idiots? Anyways, finally saw pics of the sub & holy shit, do you have to be a special kind of stupid to get in that thing & think it was going to be sound going down thousands of feet

I expected there’d be a design flaw (think Challenger o-ring). What I didn’t expect was a narcissistic cult leader who bullied people into creating a death trap —knowingly! Usually these exposes feature at least some employees who believed in the person or their mission. They hated this guy!

Then why did they keep on working for him.

Some, I think, were afraid of what he would do if they left. Many did leave. Others were whistleblowers. Those who stayed paid the ultimate price. One young woman was scared because it was Covid and she feared she wouldn’t get another job.

As someone who went through engineering school, it is genuinely fun for me to observe how people who know nothing about engineering wonder about how other people who know nothing about engineering think about engineering. I’m not shitting you here: it is legit fascinating.

I’m not sure I follow what you’re saying? True, I am not an engineer. I restated what I saw in the documentary. My initial post was that, heading into the film I expected an honest attempt to design something innovative and what I found was a man who was a criminal with no regard for others’ lives.

I expected it was going to be a failed mission because of an honest attempt to engineer something that ended up going tragically wrong. What I didn’t expect was the total lack of care and concern for human life. From the get go, he was he’ll bent on making it happen and didn’t follow the rules.

The initial reporting on the implosion event included reports of how lots of the engineers originally hired had either quit or been fired, and how everyone who actually knew anything about how to create a deep-sea exploration vessel was begging that guy to listen to them.

I think my point was, it was never any honest attempt to actually engineer a deep-sea exploration vessel. And I think it says something about our world today: We keep assuming that institutional systems will keep things working okay, while rich assholes keep ignoring those systems & breaking shit.

Sorry, I realize I wasn't coherent there, and that it probably came off poorly. The engineering angle on that whole project was that it went against almost all engineering standards, and everyone knew it. There's a multi-step process to designing things, but the "innovation" here was to skip that.

What I wonder is why people in engineering are so into themselves that they have to pop up in any discussion and say “strange, you obviously are not engineers and know nothing about engineering yet you are discussing engineers. Fascinating.”

Even better, you’re “someone who went through engineering school”.

Indeed: my career hasn’t been in engineering, and instead I’ve been a high school teacher (with some evidence to suggest that I’m a really good high school teacher). Sorry to have annoyed you by pointing out that engineering is, um, a discipline, with its own internal sets of standards, I guess.

Anyway, my sense of it is that you were very much trying to be an asshole to me, and maybe I’m wrong about that, but I’ll reiterate that I wasn’t trying to be an asshole. Engineers are taught to think about how the world works in ways that are weird. That can indeed be fascinating.

You annoyed me (and are annoying me) by being a condescending dick. Fuck off.

Okay, noted. I'll stop following you, and hopefully I'll never have to deal with you being an asshole for no fucking reason, ever again. For the record, you jumping down my throat over a single post felt real bad. Maybe go to therapy or something, because the way you lashed out there was fucked up

Like most people, some of them probably couldn’t really believe that the bad thing all the evidence said was going to happen would actually happen.

The tech bubble is full of people who live in a distorted reality because we’ve spent the last 40ish years saying that anyone who knows about computers is a genius and they think that applies to all fields of knowledge.

They don't work for him anymore eh?

Probably not the best way to fix catastrophic delamination but trial and error...trial and error.

"Ratchet straps so strong they survived an implication and still kept the hull together" new slogan...??

Oceangate was just the smaller, less public version of the Kursk.

Probably would have worked better.

This image came to mind reading that.

That's not goin nowhere

omigod :)

That's what they did basically. Ratchet straps and epoxy.

I thought you were going to say they should have made it much bigger...

This is why you can always trust a ratchet strap

He didn't tug them three times and say "well that's not going anywhere" and that's why it imploded.

he forgot to do the dude ritual

This had to be something for extracting the broken piece of sub, right? Surely a bunch of Billionaires wouldn't be this careless with their lives.

Uh, you can't see through ratchet straps? Checkmate.

I've been making custom ratchet straps for about 30 years now, hit me up if you need anything wild lol

investing in ratchet straps rn

The front fell off. That's not typical though.

How is that not typical?

Well it only happened the once

Typically the front doesn't fall off.

So are submarines not safe?

It failed faaaaar below the surface of the environment.

If at first you don't succeed...

youtu.be/0uNONqSqnRY?... Curse you, merciful Poseidon!

And also, marketed the project much, much more aggressively to rich people. I would have loved to see a whole flotilla,with dozens of these vessels, each filled with 8 billionaires, on a simultaneous expedition. Imagine the world we could have, if that had happened.

They should've built it out of billionaires

Uhhhh, guys, I'm TRYING to get Bezos on here.

They should have made the whole ship out of the black box

Really should have built it to hold more billionaires, really.

he really had that 'devil may implode' attitude

They probably forgot to do the ritual of yanking the strap, and saying “yeah, that ain’t going anywhere”

The strap didn't go anywhere... The pickup truck imploded and turned its passengers into crab food. Cargo: Intact.

lifetime guarantee indeed, gg camperworld

Better in tension than compression one suspects!

Then you can just turn them around.

They had to make sure the logo stayed intact for the underwater burial.

I completely forgot that OceanGate was the company and not social media just adding "Gate" to whatever thing of the week we are shocked by.

Duh, like building planes out of the black box materials

Perhaps they should’ve tried using bubble wrap on the inside to protect themselves. It works for all other fragile cargo

As long as they're from harbor freight

Probably shouldn't intentionally create something ending in gate. Doesn't seem to ever end well

Tell me they failed material engineering without etc etc

Man, what a time it was to be terminally online.

I think Hank Green gave the best description of the event. During a 5,500 psi implosion you stop being biology, you become physics.

Reminder that a 19 year old kid who didn't even want to go on this died as well as an experienced Member of Oceangate Fuck everyone else tho

I also feel for the French expert's wife. Not him, I think he'd consciously chosen his gravesite, but she didn't deserve to be left like that.

I encourage more billionaires to take up amateur submarining...

conman foisted by his own rickety tube

It might have made it then....