Let me get this straight: this is not a freeze on the battlefield, but Putin getting MORE of territory now held by UK forces?
Let me get this straight: this is not a freeze on the battlefield, but Putin getting MORE of territory now held by UK forces?
I mean, that's his proposal. It's all pointless, right? - Putin's proposal is just a fake offer to serve as a lever to try to kill US support for Ukraine. Because Ukraine will never agree. If Trump understood, he'd be angry and insulted over how stupid Putin thinks he is, for this to be the offer.
Bret: Any comments on what is going on now with Trump and your Roman history background?
Of course, Trump is exactly as stupid as Putin thinks he is. Probably even stupider.
I'm 100% sure, Putin got Videos of Trump doing stuff. It's all Mafia.
If that was true the us would be dancing to moscows tune more not flip flop as they do.
ok, just because i've seen too many batshit leftists on here with their batshit anti-NATO nonsense: "UK" here means Ukraine, right? not the United Kingdom?
Yup
A 'halt' is not 'the end', or am I wrong? More like a pause
Yes, "halt" is just a pause to hostilities, which russians will break the very next day after signing it, as it was with hundred other "ceasefires".
And Putin even dares to claim those parts of Ukraine which he didn't manage to conquer after more than 3 years' war
Because he knows he can't get them with his army. So he goes the good old "great powers diplomacy" way. Same as colonial empires "scrambled" for Africa in XIX century.
Hope he doesn’t give Alaska back to Russia.
Trump probably thinks If Russia and Israel can do it, no one will question it when we invade Greenland.
But we must also remember that the promontory note signed by Hitler was the thing that proved all his promises were foolhardy and a waste of time. It was this that harder everyone for war. I know this sucks for Ukraine, and I sorely wished the Russian Army would collapse. But it hasn’t.
"But Gandalf said, 'This is much to demand...that your master should receive in exchange what he must else fight many a war to gain! Or has the field of Gondor destroyed his hope in war, so that he falls to haggling?'"
Ok how bad is this? Will Putin rearm and push for all of Ukraine then nuclear confrontation with the west/Europe? If so what kind of timeline?
Putin does not have further conventional escalatory potential in an offensive war: in short, he's 'maxxed out' on the amount of force he can deploy. It's a lot of force, it might grind down Ukraine. But if we say 'no' to his 'deal,' he doesn't have another card to play.
He can rearm over years and invade western Ukraine
That sounds like a strong reason to reject any deal now and instead transfer more arms and munitions to Ukraine in order to maintain the depletion of his force and the stress on his economy and thus prevent full reconstitution.
That is a great plan!
i think it would take a lot for him to give up his most powerful weapon by actually going through with the threat
(though at this point cheap russian gas might be a bigger asset in everyday negotiations)
seeing this quote and immeidately *un*-boosting OP so people see this first and can guess what's happening before they click through
And then his own government kicks him out of office after losing Norway.
I know it’s something of a trend to clown on Chamberlain for appeasement, but I can’t help but feel bad for the guy. He did everything in his power to prevent war and prepare for war if it did happen, only for the whole thing to blow up in his face.
Yeah, with hindsight, the whole idea was unnecessary, but it feels rather unfair to Chamberlain to blame him for that.
surely he had some historical precedents for insatiable bullies before hitler...?
Napoleon, for one. That was why he and his predecessors pursued a policy of minimizing their enemies, so nobody could unite Europe against them.
Putin is ready to end war as soon as Ukraine gives him everything he wants. In exchange Ukraine will get nothing. Hard to see how Ukraine will be able to resist this great deal that Trump worked out for them.
Do note that the putin's offer was *not* to "to end war as soon as Ukraine gives him everything he wants"; this wasn't a peace offer but rather a *cease fire* for that - i.e. to temporarily pause the war as soon as Ukraine gives him everything he wants now, and then a bit later come for even more.
and the way russia's been known to handle its captive territories over the centuries, even "peace" under russian rule might be worse than the status quo *right now* with the daily shaheds and missiles
Now trump thinks he owns Ukraine?
Someone make sure Trump brings a towel to wipe his face off after.
History, you gotta learn from it. This is exactly what is happening right now. The Ukrainians are fighting for the sovereignty of their country. Zelenskyy will not accept the so-called peace terms. Irregardless of what donny and his puppet master putin say or want. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦
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He's going to give them Alaska back if Putin promises to say something nice about Donnie, isn't he?
#Trump is meeting #Putin in Alaska Aug 15th. Putin is a war criminal who has kidnapped at least 30,000 Ukrainian children and is selling them in an online catalog where you can sort them by eye color, hair color, and number of siblings. Trump HALTED FUNDING for investigating the stolen children.
youtu.be/64DCO2sI7fI?...