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"Online Rent-a-Sage" Bret Devereaux @bretdevereaux.bsky.social

Hitler tells Neville Chamberlain he'll halt war in exchange for the Sudetenland. And the rest of Czechoslovakia. And Danzig. And the rest of Poland. And Denmark. And the Low Countries. And Northern France. And...

A Wall Street Journal headline, astounding in its credulous stupidity, reading,
aug 8, 2025, 10:19 pm • 605 182

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Joe Stieb @joestieb.bsky.social

Let me get this straight: this is not a freeze on the battlefield, but Putin getting MORE of territory now held by UK forces?

aug 8, 2025, 10:57 pm • 20 1 • view
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"Online Rent-a-Sage" Bret Devereaux @bretdevereaux.bsky.social

I mean, that's his proposal. It's all pointless, right? - Putin's proposal is just a fake offer to serve as a lever to try to kill US support for Ukraine. Because Ukraine will never agree. If Trump understood, he'd be angry and insulted over how stupid Putin thinks he is, for this to be the offer.

aug 9, 2025, 1:00 am • 38 2 • view
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Sue M. @purplesgem.bsky.social

Bret: Any comments on what is going on now with Trump and your Roman history background?

aug 9, 2025, 2:53 pm • 0 0 • view
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CT-7382 "Occam" @ct7382occam.bsky.social

Of course, Trump is exactly as stupid as Putin thinks he is. Probably even stupider.

aug 9, 2025, 1:40 am • 6 0 • view
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Zwergenfreund @zwergenfreund.bsky.social

I'm 100% sure, Putin got Videos of Trump doing stuff. It's all Mafia.

aug 9, 2025, 8:44 am • 0 0 • view
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greenclock.bsky.social @greenclock.bsky.social

If that was true the us would be dancing to moscows tune more not flip flop as they do.

aug 9, 2025, 2:05 pm • 0 0 • view
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the frass and the furious @apophis426.bsky.social

ok, just because i've seen too many batshit leftists on here with their batshit anti-NATO nonsense: "UK" here means Ukraine, right? not the United Kingdom?

aug 8, 2025, 11:22 pm • 2 0 • view
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Joe Stieb @joestieb.bsky.social

Yup

aug 9, 2025, 1:06 am • 1 0 • view
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Silvio Vannini @silviovannini.bsky.social

A 'halt' is not 'the end', or am I wrong? More like a pause

aug 9, 2025, 7:45 am • 0 0 • view
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Militant Nerd @militantnerd.bsky.social

Yes, "halt" is just a pause to hostilities, which russians will break the very next day after signing it, as it was with hundred other "ceasefires".

aug 9, 2025, 8:24 am • 1 0 • view
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Silvio Vannini @silviovannini.bsky.social

And Putin even dares to claim those parts of Ukraine which he didn't manage to conquer after more than 3 years' war

aug 9, 2025, 9:22 am • 2 0 • view
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Militant Nerd @militantnerd.bsky.social

Because he knows he can't get them with his army. So he goes the good old "great powers diplomacy" way. Same as colonial empires "scrambled" for Africa in XIX century.

aug 9, 2025, 9:25 am • 1 0 • view
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MaMaDonnae @mamadonnae.bsky.social

Hope he doesn’t give Alaska back to Russia.

aug 9, 2025, 2:14 am • 1 0 • view
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Villi & Hullu, the Wild & Crazy Finnish Lapphunds @utahbluerock.bsky.social

Trump probably thinks If Russia and Israel can do it, no one will question it when we invade Greenland.

aug 8, 2025, 10:46 pm • 2 0 • view
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Doctor Funky Space Lord @funkyspacelord.bsky.social

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aug 9, 2025, 11:18 am • 0 0 • view
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Doctor Funky Space Lord @funkyspacelord.bsky.social

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Doctor Funky Space Lord @funkyspacelord.bsky.social

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Michael C. Davies @blobodelendaest.bsky.social

But we must also remember that the promontory note signed by Hitler was the thing that proved all his promises were foolhardy and a waste of time. It was this that harder everyone for war. I know this sucks for Ukraine, and I sorely wished the Russian Army would collapse. But it hasn’t.

aug 8, 2025, 10:55 pm • 0 0 • view
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"Online Rent-a-Sage" Bret Devereaux @bretdevereaux.bsky.social

"But Gandalf said, 'This is much to demand...that your master should receive in exchange what he must else fight many a war to gain! Or has the field of Gondor destroyed his hope in war, so that he falls to haggling?'"

aug 8, 2025, 10:21 pm • 185 19 • view
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newfederalist.bsky.social @newfederalist.bsky.social

Ok how bad is this? Will Putin rearm and push for all of Ukraine then nuclear confrontation with the west/Europe? If so what kind of timeline?

aug 8, 2025, 10:54 pm • 4 1 • view
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"Online Rent-a-Sage" Bret Devereaux @bretdevereaux.bsky.social

Putin does not have further conventional escalatory potential in an offensive war: in short, he's 'maxxed out' on the amount of force he can deploy. It's a lot of force, it might grind down Ukraine. But if we say 'no' to his 'deal,' he doesn't have another card to play.

aug 8, 2025, 11:34 pm • 33 2 • view
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newfederalist.bsky.social @newfederalist.bsky.social

He can rearm over years and invade western Ukraine

aug 8, 2025, 11:37 pm • 0 0 • view
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"Online Rent-a-Sage" Bret Devereaux @bretdevereaux.bsky.social

That sounds like a strong reason to reject any deal now and instead transfer more arms and munitions to Ukraine in order to maintain the depletion of his force and the stress on his economy and thus prevent full reconstitution.

aug 9, 2025, 12:57 am • 30 1 • view
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M. Korhonen @mkorhonen12345.bsky.social

That is a great plan!

aug 9, 2025, 6:16 am • 3 0 • view
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the frass and the furious @apophis426.bsky.social

i think it would take a lot for him to give up his most powerful weapon by actually going through with the threat

aug 8, 2025, 11:21 pm • 0 0 • view
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the frass and the furious @apophis426.bsky.social

(though at this point cheap russian gas might be a bigger asset in everyday negotiations)

aug 8, 2025, 11:21 pm • 0 0 • view
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the frass and the furious @apophis426.bsky.social

seeing this quote and immeidately *un*-boosting OP so people see this first and can guess what's happening before they click through

aug 8, 2025, 11:19 pm • 0 0 • view
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CT-7382 "Occam" @ct7382occam.bsky.social

And then his own government kicks him out of office after losing Norway.

aug 8, 2025, 10:21 pm • 1 0 • view
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CT-7382 "Occam" @ct7382occam.bsky.social

I know it’s something of a trend to clown on Chamberlain for appeasement, but I can’t help but feel bad for the guy. He did everything in his power to prevent war and prepare for war if it did happen, only for the whole thing to blow up in his face.

aug 8, 2025, 10:24 pm • 4 0 • view
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CT-7382 "Occam" @ct7382occam.bsky.social

Yeah, with hindsight, the whole idea was unnecessary, but it feels rather unfair to Chamberlain to blame him for that.

aug 8, 2025, 10:25 pm • 4 0 • view
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the frass and the furious @apophis426.bsky.social

surely he had some historical precedents for insatiable bullies before hitler...?

aug 8, 2025, 11:23 pm • 1 0 • view
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CT-7382 "Occam" @ct7382occam.bsky.social

Napoleon, for one. That was why he and his predecessors pursued a policy of minimizing their enemies, so nobody could unite Europe against them.

aug 8, 2025, 11:40 pm • 2 0 • view
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grumdholt.bsky.social @grumdholt.bsky.social

Putin is ready to end war as soon as Ukraine gives him everything he wants. In exchange Ukraine will get nothing. Hard to see how Ukraine will be able to resist this great deal that Trump worked out for them.

aug 8, 2025, 11:21 pm • 8 0 • view
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peterispaikens.bsky.social @peterispaikens.bsky.social

Do note that the putin's offer was *not* to "to end war as soon as Ukraine gives him everything he wants"; this wasn't a peace offer but rather a *cease fire* for that - i.e. to temporarily pause the war as soon as Ukraine gives him everything he wants now, and then a bit later come for even more.

aug 9, 2025, 6:18 pm • 0 0 • view
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the frass and the furious @apophis426.bsky.social

and the way russia's been known to handle its captive territories over the centuries, even "peace" under russian rule might be worse than the status quo *right now* with the daily shaheds and missiles

aug 8, 2025, 11:25 pm • 7 0 • view
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Lisa Schiff @crkrjx.bsky.social

Now trump thinks he owns Ukraine?

aug 9, 2025, 2:19 am • 1 0 • view
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petervieth.bsky.social @petervieth.bsky.social

Someone make sure Trump brings a towel to wipe his face off after.

aug 8, 2025, 11:01 pm • 0 0 • view
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ptwhyte.bsky.social @ptwhyte.bsky.social

History, you gotta learn from it. This is exactly what is happening right now. The Ukrainians are fighting for the sovereignty of their country. Zelenskyy will not accept the so-called peace terms. Irregardless of what donny and his puppet master putin say or want. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦

aug 9, 2025, 6:52 pm • 0 0 • view
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gwedenz.bsky.social @gwedenz.bsky.social

Neville TACO Trump. NTT Never Trust Trump

aug 9, 2025, 12:29 am • 0 0 • view
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FORGED Not Born @forgednotborn.bsky.social

He's going to give them Alaska back if Putin promises to say something nice about Donnie, isn't he?

aug 8, 2025, 11:06 pm • 2 0 • view
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Arty-san @arty-san.bsky.social

#Trump is meeting #Putin in Alaska Aug 15th. Putin is a war criminal who has kidnapped at least 30,000 Ukrainian children and is selling them in an online catalog where you can sort them by eye color, hair color, and number of siblings. Trump HALTED FUNDING for investigating the stolen children.

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lignacious.bsky.social @lignacious.bsky.social

youtu.be/64DCO2sI7fI?...

aug 9, 2025, 5:26 pm • 0 0 • view