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"Online Rent-a-Sage" Bret Devereaux @bretdevereaux.bsky.social

LOL at the "just checking the till here, Mark" baldness of 'settlers, explorers and pioneers' that excludes, you know, slaves, refuges or the native Americans. Just straight up white nationalism, undiluted and unveiled in all its ugliness.

sep 3, 2025, 1:15 am • 221 26

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The American Civil War Podcast @uscivilwar.bsky.social

And, to that point, this narrowing of American identity is not an idolization of our history, but a distinct perversion of it. In reality, America was pretty open to settlement far beyond English & Scottish and a few grudgingly-accepted Europeans. He can't even accept the actual Irish.

sep 3, 2025, 1:18 am • 6 0 • view
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The American Civil War Podcast @uscivilwar.bsky.social

This is more or less literally the Know-Nothing platform! uscivilwar.substack.com/p/episode-17...

sep 3, 2025, 1:19 am • 3 0 • view
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oldnumberseven @oldnumberseven.bsky.social

Yes

sep 3, 2025, 2:06 am • 0 0 • view
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Lindsey Eck @hattusilas.bsky.social

The celebration of colonial conquest never mentions Spanish colonial conquest. If you consider that Spain also controlled Louisiana, the part of the country developed from Spanish settlement far exceeds what began as British settlement.

sep 3, 2025, 1:56 pm • 0 0 • view
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𝓛𝓮𝓯𝓪𝓾𝓬𝓱𝓮𝓾𝔁 @lefaucheux.bsky.social

Does anyone claim American identity is *just* a proposition? I mean clearly we’re a people, and our superpower as a people is our very ability to absorb all comers.

sep 3, 2025, 1:29 am • 4 0 • view
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𝓛𝓮𝓯𝓪𝓾𝓬𝓱𝓮𝓾𝔁 @lefaucheux.bsky.social

Also I think it’s hilarious that he includes “continental Europeans” in there because his name is Schmitt, as if the English and Scotch-Irish of the era saw Germans as their people

sep 3, 2025, 1:30 am • 8 0 • view
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sfkissinger.bsky.social @sfkissinger.bsky.social

Or of later eras - they did their darnedest to kill off German-American culture in the early 20th century.

sep 3, 2025, 1:36 am • 6 0 • view
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oldnumberseven @oldnumberseven.bsky.social

Which ones?

sep 3, 2025, 2:07 am • 0 0 • view
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Rebecca Ore @rebeccaore.bsky.social

Mheh, the nations to the south of the Rio Bravo tend to have the superpower even more so, absorbing everyone, old and new. One Nicaraguan acquaintance was rabbiting on about his Austrian ancestors. His aunt had told me earlier that one grandfather was black from the Coast. Plus some others.

sep 3, 2025, 3:36 am • 2 1 • view
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Rebecca Ore @rebeccaore.bsky.social

Mexico has a Jewish woman president with a PhD. We've never had a Jewish president, much less a female with a PhD in science or engineering.

sep 3, 2025, 3:36 am • 1 0 • view
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"Online Rent-a-Sage" Bret Devereaux @bretdevereaux.bsky.social

It's also just laughably bad history. I"America is an idea" is not new - "conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal" is a statement 161 years old. "all men are created equal...endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights" is nearly 250.

sep 3, 2025, 1:18 am • 196 15 • view
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Mina @minerva1.bsky.social

We’re the real Americans. The natcons are the fakes.

sep 3, 2025, 1:23 am • 4 0 • view
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politic bot @tiredtranssocdem.bsky.social

The thing about ethnonationalism is that it doesn't have to be based in anything. You just decide you want the undesirables gone and work backwards from there.

sep 3, 2025, 1:41 am • 4 0 • view
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Ryan Geddie @ryangeddie.bsky.social

Guy who says “America isn’t an idea” as if blood and soil ethnic nationalism isn’t an “idea”

sep 3, 2025, 1:20 am • 22 0 • view
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John Wm. Houghton @numenor.reunitedkingdoms.net

“dedicated to the proposition” indeed comes from a Kentucky boy, grandson & namesake of one of those fighting settlers he seems to be so passionate about.

sep 3, 2025, 1:45 am • 4 0 • view
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WhatRWeDoingHere @voteblue4vr.bsky.social

Little difference from CPAC.

sep 3, 2025, 1:24 am • 0 0 • view
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easterndoor.bsky.social @easterndoor.bsky.social

Except Georgia. That debtor and “worthy poor” colony is the cousin we don’t acknowledge at parties.

sep 3, 2025, 1:23 am • 0 0 • view
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@imagespending.bsky.social

📌

sep 3, 2025, 1:51 am • 0 0 • view
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mopman43.bsky.social @mopman43.bsky.social

"A distinct ethnic people" So distinct that there certainly has never been any quibbling over who belongs in that 'distinct ethnic people' over our history, right? 'Whiteness' has always been equally applied to 'the English, Scotch-Irish, and those of Continental Europe'.

sep 3, 2025, 1:55 am • 10 0 • view
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DJ McCann @djmccann.bsky.social

Right. Our ancestors totally welcomed the Italians, and Greeks, and Slavs, and Jews with open arms. And notice that he specifically didn't mention the ACTUAL Irish.

sep 3, 2025, 2:03 am • 10 0 • view
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mopman43.bsky.social @mopman43.bsky.social

I was gonna accuse him of being one of those sorts of Evangelicals that are still suspicious of 'Papists', but I looked him up and the man is Roman Catholic!

sep 3, 2025, 2:10 am • 4 0 • view
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Rebecca Ore @rebeccaore.bsky.social

My dad had a friend in his old age who saw a Klan cross burned on her front yard as a child. Her father thought it was funny. Anti-Catholic. Also, the Japanese got to bring in families as being Not Chinese. And all through the US slave stats, tri-racial people were part of the mix.

sep 3, 2025, 3:19 am • 0 0 • view
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oldnumberseven @oldnumberseven.bsky.social

This is how rhinocéros thinks (pardon the edit, on second thought rhinocéros should be lowercase)

sep 3, 2025, 2:05 am • 0 0 • view
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Spiritus Nox @spiritusnox.bsky.social

The slaughter of the indigenous just a straightforward moral good in this narrative.

sep 3, 2025, 1:15 am • 13 0 • view
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Peterandree @peterandree.bsky.social

Didn't you read it? It was a wilderness. A wilderness! Those attacking indigenous war bands must have come from elsewhere. Probably papists.

sep 3, 2025, 5:33 am • 1 0 • view
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Rebecca Ore @rebeccaore.bsky.social

Thomas Jefferson's male line was from Anatolia. Nothing from Eurasia is pure. Some of the far north British islands have men with Inuit paternal lines. And a lot of people were deported from the British Isles. Slaves didn't stay separate from the Eurasian populations, either.

sep 3, 2025, 3:29 am • 0 0 • view
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Rebecca Ore @rebeccaore.bsky.social

If they had wanted a pure ethnic state, they shouldn't have brought in Negros. One Tennessee slave master thought they had more aptitude for reading than he had (he bought "rascally blacks" and let them learn to read and write, as long as the chores got done. (Fredrick Law Omstead's account)

sep 3, 2025, 3:13 am • 0 0 • view