“People looking for alternative social media apps should be cautious about the privacy implications of sharing information with an app that has not yet seen substantial public scrutiny outside of China,” EFF’s @cooperq.com told @theverge.com.
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jan 17, 2025, 5:58 pm • 60 4 • view
While I'm very concerned with the security implications, the intermingling of American citizens and Chinese citizens seems to be proving that outside of government, Muppets Take Manhattan was right: peoples is peoples. We're all humans trying to survive. Maybe that's a good thing.
jan 17, 2025, 8:07 pm • 70 0 • view
Things are going to change in ways they didn't expect. Good for the people and not the government maybe.
jan 19, 2025, 4:55 pm • 0 0 • view
I live in China. They don't really believe in privacy here but it's also not as big of a deal because unlike America they aren't all capitalist ghouls here LOL
jan 17, 2025, 3:25 am • 5 0 • view
CHINA CAN HAVE MY BROKE ASS INFO, NO MORE AIDING AND ABETTING THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL ZIONIST CAPITALIST NIGHTMARE
jan 17, 2025, 5:40 pm • 0 0 • view
RedNote, it's a clue
jan 16, 2025, 9:39 pm • 0 0 • view
That's why I'm staying here. If Mark Cuban makes a Tiktok alternative on the Blue Sky platform, I'll participate.
jan 16, 2025, 10:28 pm • 1 0 • view
I def joined Rednote. Fuck what anyone tells me to do or not. It’s my data ~ take the shit. Oh wait - Zuck already sold it!
jan 17, 2025, 7:45 am • 7 0 • view
We've had how many American-run data leaks we have every week? Americans apparently had their SS#'s hacked some weeks back Companies sell our data on a daily basis, at this rate THERES NO WAY TO "KEEP DATA SAFE" SO JUST LET US ENJOY WHAT WE CHOOSE TO ENJOY
jan 16, 2025, 9:43 pm • 15 0 • view
What information? I signed up for XHS through Apple, which already HAS all my information. I *hope* they don't sell it to China or whatever, but I couldn't have my phone or use apps without first giving it to some evil corporation (Apple) anyway.
jan 17, 2025, 12:44 am • 2 0 • view
No one cares. Our data is out there and we can't get it back so we're breaking the barriers of faux fear mongering and making friend with China.
jan 17, 2025, 12:50 am • 20 0 • view
We need to understand that many, many people want to use social media as entertainment, not as an information source. I would be perfectly happy in a place that completely bans politics, because for that I have other more reliable sources.
jan 17, 2025, 6:58 am • 2 0 • view
Yeah, only American oligarchs can steal my info
jan 17, 2025, 12:00 am • 1 0 • view
I would rather telegraph my info directly to the CCP than use Instagram/Facebook reels.
jan 17, 2025, 4:26 pm • 125 8 • view
Nah we’re good ta
jan 16, 2025, 9:54 pm • 2 0 • view
I have no intention of downloading RedNote.
jan 17, 2025, 6:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Nobody's taking more of our data and "surveilling" us than our own government and its cronies like meta, anyway. 🤷♀️
jan 18, 2025, 1:01 am • 6 0 • view
Isn't Elon a foreigner? 🤔
jan 17, 2025, 12:13 am • 2 0 • view
My online privacy has been violated for years, so much so I could care less about it. Go ahead, gather my data. Then Fuck Off!
jan 16, 2025, 9:44 pm • 4 0 • view
Sadly, people don't care about their data anymore. They rather "give the US gov't the middle finger" than care about the CCP spying on them. In before someone says the US spys on it's people. Yeah both are bad.
jan 17, 2025, 4:21 pm • 1 0 • view
as if we aren't under constant surveillance from our own companies lol. I believe the less spyware you use, the better, but still... it doesn't matter who is spying because it gets bought and sold around everywhere anyways.
jan 17, 2025, 12:39 am • 5 0 • view
Then maybe they should have let them keep the one they already had. . .
jan 17, 2025, 12:52 am • 1 0 • view
Omg we get it. Ypu guys are upset you can't spy on us exclusively.
jan 16, 2025, 10:29 pm • 7 0 • view
lets see if you guys can get the basics, if not about what is posted on them. is them recording all your phone does, using all the sensors it can, and recording of the _other_ people around you. one day we will get bored and nullroute china, or you forget that the routing points are private?
jan 17, 2025, 12:04 am • 1 0 • view
This is less of a cautionary piece and more American exceptionalism propaganda. My data, my children’s data, my husband’s data have all been breached numerous times in the last year. Meta got away with it, but I should be warned about giving my data away with my consent?
jan 17, 2025, 5:34 am • 86 0 • view
I mean they can both be bad... I'd be a fan of being just as fucking cautious of meta, esp considering the direction it and the states are taking. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be cautious of this. We ought not overcounter the exceptionalism, and instead demand FOSS and open protocols,
jan 17, 2025, 7:37 am • 15 0 • view
and swappable algorithms, etc. Like BlueSky has. We ought to gravitate away from the traditional models in general and towards open federated models.
jan 17, 2025, 7:37 am • 7 0 • view
Might also just drop this here, it's about X but to a degree it applies about Meta as well, although I might write an article to address the more general issue: bsky.app/profile/rebo...
jan 17, 2025, 7:48 am • 4 1 • view
Also if socmed harvests data, I’d rather give it to China who have no interest in manipulating my vote and my political leanings for profit. Yeah they can learn about my anti-capitalism takes, it’s not like they’re gonna arrest me for them.
jan 17, 2025, 9:50 am • 0 0 • view
I think there is fair reason to suspect they *do* have an interest in manipulating your vote. Foreign states still have economic and hegemonic incentives to manipulate our votes. As does our own, but again, point is we ought not lose perspective and we have alternatives like Bluesky in which we
jan 17, 2025, 9:56 am • 1 0 • view
don't have to be subject to either. It's not just about them arresting you, but could be incentivized to, as Russia has to some extent, sow division and exacerbate our fissures, such that our own state accelerates into a fascist one in which you could be affected by the new powers in our own state
jan 17, 2025, 9:56 am • 0 0 • view
Privacy experts need to grok that Americans are more afraid of American companies having their data than Chinese ones. Ask why and go forward from there.
jan 16, 2025, 10:48 pm • 1 0 • view
I fear that that's the point.
jan 17, 2025, 12:45 am • 2 0 • view
Some Americans I’m afraid are not very careful🙄
jan 16, 2025, 8:42 pm • 3 0 • view
Government would sell our rights to the highest bidder regardless of how “careful” we are so what’s the issue
jan 17, 2025, 5:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Or we're just tired of pretending that being under government surveillance by our own fascist country is somehow better than being spied on by a different one. At this point you're either being surveilled or you're not on the internet.
jan 17, 2025, 1:02 am • 32 0 • view
Do you mean to tell me that the FBI/CIA is only just now discovering and assessing XHS, an app in the US app store?
jan 16, 2025, 10:34 pm • 1 0 • view
I signed up and I can now say it's quite strange. Lots and lots of guns. Seems like a ton of far right Americans have already infected it.
jan 17, 2025, 3:14 pm • 0 0 • view
Cool, cool, why does that matter more than the fact Facebook has probably already sold them that data after stealing it from me themselves?
jan 17, 2025, 3:54 am • 34 0 • view
Whats that phrase? The pot calling the kettle black? Ill be giving my data in a red envelope to Xi Jinping as a lunar new year gift if it means me not dealing with the white supremacist hellscape that is Meta.
jan 16, 2025, 10:27 pm • 9 0 • view
jan 17, 2025, 4:03 am • 13 0 • view
All apps gather data. Some of the US owned ones have a dubious record on how they use it. If use from Chinese apps is equal/worse then we need to be told what it is
jan 17, 2025, 12:19 am • 2 0 • view
I don’t think anything could be worse than Meta.
jan 17, 2025, 2:20 am • 1 0 • view
Cambridge analytica was pretty bad, but yeah, who knows what Meta is up to
jan 17, 2025, 2:40 am • 3 0 • view
Surely the name is a bit of a giveaway?
jan 18, 2025, 4:37 am • 0 0 • view
They aren't selling data to advertisers, already better
jan 20, 2025, 7:21 pm • 0 0 • view
People know, they just don't care. Why do you think they continued to use tiktok?
jan 17, 2025, 5:00 pm • 0 0 • view
Our data is constantly leaked and sold here in this country. How many free credits checks have we received as a result?! They care about their bottom line $$ they don’t care about our privacy.
jan 16, 2025, 10:45 pm • 4 0 • view
I have fb, ig and fb messenger, they've already sold my data. Seriously? Tiktok was never a security risk, it was only a risk because we the people saw what exactly the us govt is doing.
jan 18, 2025, 1:23 am • 15 0 • view
Oh no! Not surveillance! As if corporations aren't already spying on us every second through our electronics. As if our banks don't know about fraud before we do. As if facial recognition isn't everywhere.
jan 17, 2025, 1:05 am • 11 0 • view
The EFF is first and foremost a front for US Tech interests, they don't give a damn about your privacy. thebaffler.com/salvos/all-e...
jan 17, 2025, 2:23 pm • 17 0 • view
jan 17, 2025, 2:39 pm • 16 0 • view
jan 17, 2025, 2:39 pm • 13 0 • view
Our private data is not safe in the us either so it’s not like it matters. Us companies and the us gov sells our data to the highest bidder anyway. We know that a lot of the propaganda about china is a lie from the government. I’d gladly give my data to the ccp just to send a middle finger to us gov
jan 16, 2025, 9:39 pm • 33 1 • view
Even with HIPAA, US tech giants harvest and sell our medical information - often to companies that will later deny us healthcare coverage and let us die.
jan 17, 2025, 1:20 am • 20 0 • view
Oh wow. I didn't know that 😳
jan 17, 2025, 5:06 am • 3 0 • view
Accept that everything on your phone will be given to the ChiComms.
jan 17, 2025, 3:10 am • 0 0 • view
How is that different than Meta having it?
jan 17, 2025, 6:35 am • 1 0 • view
My info has been sold, stolen, hacked, breached, “Patriot Acted”, etc… so much it isn’t even mine anymore. I just monitor it to make sure I’m the only one using my financials 🤷🏻♀️. If anyone thinks otherwise they are so deluding themselves.
jan 17, 2025, 9:45 pm • 41 0 • view
All social media platforms surveill us, I don't see any difference. This is just more digital McCarthyism.
jan 17, 2025, 7:13 pm • 64 0 • view
You don't see a difference because you're not engaging yourself with the differences.
jan 17, 2025, 9:25 pm • 7 0 • view
The difference being that the American government and American companies can do harm to myself and my family that China and the CCP never could.
jan 18, 2025, 2:36 am • 0 0 • view
I'm going to let you enjoy this belief. There is a lot going on right now. Maybe you need this bubble.
jan 18, 2025, 4:10 am • 0 0 • view
I'm not the one in a bubble hun.
jan 18, 2025, 2:05 pm • 0 0 • view
Please, elaborate. Bc from where I'm standing, the only person who doesn't have access to my data anymore is ME. I don't know what my analytics look like online, but I can bet you most major corporations do. I'd RATHER it go to China than another stupid billionaire. At least the ppl are nice.
jan 18, 2025, 1:26 am • 4 0 • view
While it's difficult (if not, impossible) to be 100% private on the Internet, there are steps you can take to minimize the data that corporations have access to. A great resource to start, would be the EFF's website.
jan 18, 2025, 2:50 am • 1 0 • view
This is the best take take so far! So damn true. My Data My Choice!
jan 18, 2025, 1:47 am • 1 0 • view
My data has been part of 37 breeches, its been sold to the highest bidder by every app, website, and company that I do business with. At least with Tik Tok and Rednote I know who has my data. And honestly, I think I trust China just as much as I trust the US government...
jan 17, 2025, 9:36 pm • 30 1 • view
For real. At least in China I know that if my info gets leaked there's a nonzero chance that someone high up is going to pay with their ass for it. www.bloomberg.com/news/article...
jan 18, 2025, 2:37 am • 0 0 • view
Let's see if we can bring you to water: Do you know who was responsible for those breaches? ... ... Do you think maybe some of them were initiated from outside the US? .... .... Hmm?
jan 17, 2025, 11:09 pm • 0 0 • view
I trust them slightly more.
jan 17, 2025, 9:44 pm • 21 0 • view
Lmao
jan 17, 2025, 10:55 pm • 0 0 • view
It's sad but true lol
jan 17, 2025, 11:19 pm • 0 0 • view
"All social media apps surveill us" This isn't true - while most social media apps/services do, there are some alternatives (like Mastodon, Pixelfed, etc) that do not
jan 18, 2025, 2:46 am • 0 0 • view
At least, they're not in the business of selling your data, and what not
jan 18, 2025, 2:46 am • 0 0 • view
Oh a red scare? Not even close.
jan 17, 2025, 7:32 pm • 1 0 • view
i have a feeling that tiktok won’t be banned after this lol
jan 17, 2025, 12:26 am • 1 0 • view
you don't get it, that's the POINT. Americans using Red Note are doing so, sharing thier information with China in PROTEST of the TikTok ban. USA banning TikTok bc of privacy concerns? fuck you, we're giving China our info on purpose, now.
jan 17, 2025, 1:53 am • 2 0 • view
Read the room, eff. At least give it a beat.
jan 17, 2025, 4:38 pm • 0 0 • view
Doesn’t matter anymore. Biden backed out of the TikTok ban. Leaving it up to trump.
jan 17, 2025, 9:43 am • 2 0 • view
You mean like this app that’s still pretty new?
jan 16, 2025, 11:30 pm • 2 0 • view
No, we need American made. They already know all our shit.
jan 17, 2025, 12:02 am • 0 0 • view
I think for this a lot of us are willing to take the standard maga position -- we know, we've always known, we don't care.
jan 17, 2025, 7:34 pm • 4 0 • view
read the fucking room, Electronic Frontier Foundation
jan 16, 2025, 11:43 pm • 1 0 • view
Then don’t make it available.
jan 17, 2025, 1:11 am • 2 0 • view
All I know is that I didn't ask for the government's help in protecting my data. Especially when their motives are so sketchy. Also, the only time my id was stolen was a breach of a government database.
jan 16, 2025, 10:43 pm • 4 0 • view
at this point? they can take my data for all i care
jan 17, 2025, 3:25 am • 3 0 • view
like what are they gonna do? sell my info? already done by meta and google and everyone else. convince me to turn against the us gov't? too late, bestie
jan 17, 2025, 3:27 am • 7 0 • view
It wont last long & it’s not only liberals going there, plenty of MAGA also. Some Chinese Ive spoken to have been taught that the ‘liberal left’ is killing the US. Then they see a video of Trump saying he will save the US from the left, and well, do the math 🤷🏼♂️
jan 17, 2025, 6:57 pm • 0 0 • view
They sign an agreement that’s in Chinese. So they don’t know what they are signing. Sounds stupid to me.
jan 17, 2025, 12:39 am • 1 0 • view
Absolutely nothing you do on a digital device is private.
jan 17, 2025, 2:08 am • 4 0 • view
😂🤣😂🤣 you mean Zuck and Musk are still pissed they won't get the profits
jan 17, 2025, 11:15 am • 63 0 • view
Lol its like everyone forgot about the huge issue with Cambridge Analytica. Meta has been gathering and selling our information for years. What's one more app.
jan 16, 2025, 11:04 pm • 35 3 • view
…but they don’t warn us about Meta, PayPal, X…
jan 16, 2025, 9:51 pm • 2 0 • view
Actually they did warn you, but also those aren't as bad as a genocidal dictatorship which you can't sue, which has no rule-of-law and which routinely extorts and murders people even in foreign lands.
jan 16, 2025, 10:11 pm • 1 0 • view
Like the US
jan 16, 2025, 10:12 pm • 8 0 • view
Goddamn you just described the American government.
jan 17, 2025, 11:57 am • 1 0 • view
When I learned how FB messenger collects data, I was genuinely freaked out. Alternative social media is going to always be the preference until there’s proper privacy laws.
jan 17, 2025, 1:42 pm • 37 0 • view
I haven't used that app at all since I found out. I'm also completely deleting the account on Jan 20th
jan 17, 2025, 2:08 pm • 6 0 • view
That’s the right call tbh
jan 17, 2025, 2:28 pm • 3 0 • view
Just deleted the rest of my Meta account, and I’m beyond thrilled.
jan 17, 2025, 3:48 pm • 1 0 • view
So many Americans seem eager to hand communists all their info. Kind of stupid if you ask me. Do you folks really think they are not building files on all you people?
jan 17, 2025, 4:40 pm • 0 0 • view
They can build a file on me. All I do is work and sleep and barely make the ends meet on repeat.
jan 17, 2025, 4:59 pm • 1 0 • view
You don't get what modern phones can be used for do you? Tracking devices, listening devices and more. All without your knowledge.
jan 17, 2025, 5:02 pm • 0 0 • view
Of course I know that. But I am at a point in life where there is not much left to lose so why not let them see how it really is. I am already a slave to corporate America with no retirement because I am also a divorced former housewife.
jan 17, 2025, 5:20 pm • 1 0 • view
Well I am sorry to hear some Americans don't care if communists spy on them. Have a good life my friend.
jan 17, 2025, 5:23 pm • 0 0 • view
If they want a file on my cat videos and recipes, they can have them. Seriously, most of us aren't that interesting
jan 17, 2025, 4:48 pm • 7 0 • view
Naive comment.
jan 17, 2025, 5:00 pm • 0 0 • view
How so? Do you fancy yourself interesting enough that any government wants to know about you, cause I don't. They all know everything they want to from the little tracking devices we carry in our pockets
jan 17, 2025, 8:41 pm • 1 0 • view
jan 17, 2025, 9:46 pm • 24 0 • view
Thank you CIA, no thank you
jan 17, 2025, 11:36 am • 17 0 • view
ssshhhhuuuuutttttt uuuuuupppppppp
jan 17, 2025, 5:02 pm • 0 0 • view
Late stage capitalism is here and the system has failed. Period. People are fed up,the working class is angry. A red hot, I want to sink my teeth into some billionaires right now angry. I'll use any social media app that fucks the tech bros out of money. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
jan 17, 2025, 2:06 pm • 134 2 • view
THIS.
jan 17, 2025, 3:46 pm • 9 0 • view
Let’s be real here. It’s either we give our information to Meta and X so they can sell it to China or we just skip the middle man and go there directly. They can’t make money off of us this way 🤷🏻♂️
jan 17, 2025, 1:55 am • 3 0 • view
I think people are inured to that risk at this stage since, even under the most ideal circumstances, we possess only the illusion of privacy online wherever we go, whatever we use. We are crops, harvested at will, often with our unknowing permission, so frequently that there is little sense of harm.
jan 17, 2025, 1:58 am • 0 0 • view
The point is we don't care. Thats literally why we're doing it. God the people who write these articles must be dense as hell
jan 16, 2025, 10:03 pm • 32 0 • view
jan 17, 2025, 9:48 pm • 36 0 • view
If the CEO of Tik Tok joins the tech bros at the inauguration, I will deactivate and delete TT.
jan 18, 2025, 2:23 am • 1 0 • view
Folks will print out their data bring it to the Chinese embassy than go back to Twitter/Meta. 🤣
jan 16, 2025, 11:14 pm • 2 0 • view
I would hand-deliver all of my personal info to Xi Jinping just to spite the US government. Private information hasn’t been private for a while now.
jan 17, 2025, 1:26 am • 97 0 • view
True, either here or there. Instead of banning TikTok, the gov’t should have made educational TikTok’s about how to keep your data safe
jan 17, 2025, 2:56 am • 16 0 • view
Can they do that for all of the other corporations in America that have failed to do so?
jan 17, 2025, 4:37 am • 11 0 • view
Yeahhhhhhh we’ve seen what the US companies do with data and we’ll risk it
jan 17, 2025, 12:51 pm • 124 0 • view
I'd rather have my information leaked in US grounds over a country that has the ability and will to censor us on a moment's notice, which is arguably worse.
jan 17, 2025, 1:39 pm • 6 0 • view
I don't think a lot of people realize just how much data Meta collects from you.. even off the app.
jan 17, 2025, 2:06 pm • 5 0 • view
I'm not interested in using platforms that are actively buying our way into our incoming "every corporation gets to smash and grab for the next 4 years", administration.Zuckerberg and Musk are PRIVATE CITIZENS. I didn't elect them for dick all of shit. Anything that takes money from them, I'm there.
jan 17, 2025, 2:08 pm • 5 0 • view
I believe most of us are over there because the Meta IS censoring/ suppressing posts with view that go against Trumps, and people want a platform to post videos. But the good news is no ones making you join the app!
jan 17, 2025, 1:51 pm • 66 0 • view
You think Meta isn’t sharing our information with other countries? Lol. Ok.
jan 17, 2025, 3:29 pm • 4 0 • view
It's a known that Facebook did that, in 2016, which caused Holly to delete her Facebook account and not use any of the company's products, ever again.
jan 17, 2025, 7:23 pm • 1 0 • view
So silly. Who the hell cares if they sensor us. Not in that app to talk bull shit. Just want to learn new things and be entertained.
jan 17, 2025, 2:41 pm • 1 0 • view
Then stay..? Once again, no one’s taking Meta away from you.. I was on TikTok to learn new things and be entertained. THAT’S the app they want to take away.
jan 17, 2025, 2:45 pm • 0 0 • view
They have horrible working conditions for many. We have health insurance companies killing 10’s of thousands every year. And the lists go on and on.
jan 17, 2025, 2:44 pm • 2 0 • view
Do you honestly believe that Meta and Twitter haven't already sold your data to China? We know Meta sold it to Russia. And do you HONESTLY believe you aren't censored here in the US? Look at the book bans, don't say gay, and now the Tik Tok ban. This is what censorship looks like.
jan 17, 2025, 9:42 pm • 8 0 • view
Musk censors anything he doesn’t like on Xitter. Bots posting hateful manipulative media are rampant on Reddit but I was banned for reporting them. US-based social media sites are broken as are their owners. They helped a Russian asset retake the WH.
jan 17, 2025, 3:36 pm • 0 0 • view
People are trying to disguise their addiction by calling it protest.
jan 17, 2025, 10:45 am • 0 0 • view
They still haven't figured out we went there HOPING they would take our data 😂 trying to warn us like we don't know.
jan 17, 2025, 5:48 am • 5 0 • view
I’m not worried. It doesn’t interest me
jan 17, 2025, 9:05 am • 2 0 • view
jan 17, 2025, 6:13 am • 0 0 • view
Sooo..?🤔
jan 17, 2025, 11:22 am • 0 0 • view
I'm actually done with Americans want to ban everything is the hell bent in treating consenting adults like children.
jan 18, 2025, 8:31 am • 2 0 • view
app don't matter so much they all share and leak, no that is frivolous crap the only thing that matters is the #Unique_Identifier
jan 19, 2025, 6:55 am • 0 0 • view
I'm fairly confident most people going on XLS are fully aware of the implications. They just don't care. Meta (especially messenger) has been doing g it for years, so what if China gets a piece. It's part not caring, part doing it o .purpose to piss of both goverment and Zuck
jan 17, 2025, 8:20 pm • 3 0 • view
Wait till you find out what Facebook messenger does!!!
jan 17, 2025, 5:59 am • 115 0 • view
Do tell?
jan 17, 2025, 7:38 am • 0 0 • view
We’re surveilled here too- the difference is lawmakers don’t earn from Chinese apps the way they do on Meta. 🤨
jan 17, 2025, 7:26 am • 2 0 • view
boo frickity hoo you bootlickers
jan 17, 2025, 5:05 am • 9 0 • view
what is china going to do? swat a US citizen? steal their data for profit? nothing new, then
jan 17, 2025, 2:47 am • 5 0 • view
It's not like most of us even have money for them to steal even if they wanted it LMAO I've seen a few comments from Chinese citizens on RN saying they feel bad & want to send us Americans money after seeing even our school prison food 😂
jan 17, 2025, 6:14 am • 2 0 • view
I think a lot of people are downloading Xiaohungshu as a form of protest. Our own countries apps have been stealing and selling our data for years (Facebook, Instagram, Google, Twitter, etc.) How is this any different. Ask yourself who lobbied for TikTok to be banned. That's the real question.
jan 16, 2025, 9:39 pm • 310 8 • view
Exactly! I have seen so many warnings about the app but I think what they are really afraid of is us finding out that the Chinese people don't actually hate us as we've been told.
jan 16, 2025, 10:00 pm • 132 3 • view
Or they have a better healthcare system, better prices / better quality food, better job life balance, better home ownership- should I keep going? We have been lied to for years!!!! 😡
jan 17, 2025, 12:35 am • 39 0 • view
Have...have you seen the mooncakes? They're literally exploding
jan 17, 2025, 3:52 am • 0 0 • view
I traveled to China to learn about globalization and how the US does business there. We visited multiple businesses, interviewed expats, and experienced the culture. I don't know where you are hearing that the work life balance and home ownership is better but that's just not true.
jan 17, 2025, 2:51 am • 4 0 • view
How long did you go and where? Are you telling me that they are working 2/ 3 jobs not being able to buy real estate? That there food is more expensive than here? That the people there have less access to medical than us and are going into debt because of it?
jan 17, 2025, 4:13 am • 7 0 • view
We didn't learn about the medical aspect, so I can't speak to that, but I'm going to assume that the U.S. is #1 when it comes to the lives ruined due to medical debt.
jan 17, 2025, 4:53 am • 2 0 • view
At that time, in the areas we visited, we saw a ton of highrise apartments and very expensive condos. I'd say food costs were pretty much equivalent to the US in price in the business districts, and when we went out to rural areas, it was farmers' market pricing. (Durian was cheaper there)
jan 17, 2025, 4:50 am • 0 0 • view
I was there for a month and spent time in Shanghai, Beijing, and Hong Kong (before the re-acquisition). We watched an assembly line at a factory. 12-14 hour shifts, 1 siesta in the afternoon, and a 3 strikes and your fired policy. The expat said their terms were very progressive.
jan 17, 2025, 4:44 am • 1 0 • view
What year was this? I think talking about factory work this lines up with U.S factories. Yet, what percentage is that? What is the pay?
jan 17, 2025, 12:15 pm • 0 0 • view
You people are maniacs.
jan 17, 2025, 1:37 am • 2 0 • view
Nope. False.
jan 17, 2025, 3:37 am • 0 0 • view
Good point
jan 17, 2025, 4:58 am • 0 0 • view
I also downloaded it as a form of protest but now that I'm inside it, I'm going to start live performing which I don't do on American Media. I think it's great!
jan 16, 2025, 11:59 pm • 1 0 • view
Don't be naive. The people using the data being stolen by US apps isn't the "American people", any more than the data that will be stolen on this Red Note app won't just be "the Chinese people." Have you heard of the communist ruling party of China?
jan 16, 2025, 10:29 pm • 2 0 • view
Even tho MAGAts keep screaming that democrats are commie pinkos, or marxists, or fill in the blank, our country is not the same as China. Yet.
jan 16, 2025, 10:29 pm • 0 0 • view
They got about as much control of their government as we do…
jan 17, 2025, 1:57 pm • 0 0 • view
That I believe was the whole point. We literally are data mines anyways so we may as well go and give our data to the very place accused of it in the first place.
jan 16, 2025, 11:11 pm • 1 0 • view
Lobbied? www.eff.org/press/releas...
jan 16, 2025, 10:55 pm • 3 0 • view
Zuckerberg and Musk are both stealing data in the exact same way but nobody the senate wont do anything as they have investments in Meta and Twitter. The people know they are having their data stolen either way, so of course they will choose the ones with the better apps.
jan 17, 2025, 2:46 pm • 5 0 • view
They are not communists with nuclear missiles aimed at all our cities. Hmmm.
jan 17, 2025, 4:51 pm • 0 0 • view
I don’t care about China. I’m more concerned about the damage to America being done by Trump, Musk and Zuckerberg.
jan 17, 2025, 1:07 am • 184 3 • view
It’s all interlinked. Thinking domestic concern is separate from international is foolish.
jan 17, 2025, 2:41 am • 0 0 • view
You should care about both, honestly.
jan 17, 2025, 2:21 am • 19 0 • view
True, which is why you should have Internet security that can handle both. Just either use a burner device and account for both anyway, or use a VPN for both. It's good practice for when Meta refuses to cooperate with European regulations, and 30 Western countries + China & Russia block it.
jan 17, 2025, 4:06 am • 11 0 • view
Um, that's not how it works, but what you said is good advice (just not relevant with tiktoksl)
jan 20, 2025, 6:11 am • 0 0 • view
Agree.
jan 17, 2025, 6:00 pm • 0 0 • view
No one cares. Take my data china daddy
jan 17, 2025, 12:28 am • 35 1 • view
jan 17, 2025, 12:10 am • 3 0 • view
I'm so glad we have Meta, Google and Twitter who definitely don't harvest mass amounts of their user data that both gets passed onto the US government and sold to any cretin that wants to train their AI titty generator with it.
jan 17, 2025, 8:47 am • 151 0 • view
100%
jan 17, 2025, 9:27 am • 0 0 • view
-120% Full tofu brain.
jan 17, 2025, 10:46 am • 0 0 • view
The BEST part everyone leaving Meta and X to tell a bunch of white men no. I think I may have found the problem. 😂😂😂
jan 17, 2025, 10:53 am • 28 0 • view
The second i see yall start saying this about Meta, Twitter, and Amazon then we can have a serious conversation about digital privacy
jan 17, 2025, 2:12 am • 7 0 • view
of what exactly? I have some thot pics I’d gladly send them if they just asked.
jan 17, 2025, 12:25 am • 1 0 • view
American companies has all of our data anyways
jan 17, 2025, 2:18 pm • 4 0 • view
Don’t worry, as long as you pay the cat tax, your Chinese spy will deem you safe and won’t leak your data. They’ll keep it safe 🥰
jan 17, 2025, 8:12 am • 21 0 • view
Also my handle on RedNote is the same as my handle on here if any mutuals would like to become friends
jan 17, 2025, 8:13 am • 6 0 • view
Found ya
jan 17, 2025, 1:10 pm • 0 0 • view
It’s where everyone is going atm, so that’s where I am-
jan 16, 2025, 9:33 pm • 4 0 • view
As if our own government hasn't been surveilling us this whole time? The Chinese government can't do anything to you that the US absolutely wouldn't do first.
jan 16, 2025, 10:37 pm • 5 0 • view
Everyone surveilling me and they’re booooored
jan 17, 2025, 3:03 am • 2 0 • view
Already gave xiaohongshu my location while using the app
jan 17, 2025, 1:59 am • 3 0 • view
jan 17, 2025, 3:44 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm emailing my DNA to the CCP as you read this.
jan 17, 2025, 5:40 am • 12 0 • view
🤣😂🤣😂 bro
jan 17, 2025, 11:23 am • 2 0 • view
I'm more worried about Chinese kids who might make a sign in protest or march on an office or government building at the suggestion of some American student. CCP WILL shut down the Chinese side of Red Note pretty quickly once they recognize the traffic.
jan 17, 2025, 1:15 am • 1 0 • view
We are handing it to them directly instead of the US government trying to pretend they care about our data. This is a test if they truly do.
jan 17, 2025, 6:16 am • 2 0 • view
Fuck Trump! He's all good with China and TT now that they gave him money and exposure. We can go wherever the fuck we want. National security be damned!
jan 17, 2025, 1:23 pm • 0 0 • view
Bwahahahaha...NSA, Google? That you? Bwahahaha....
jan 17, 2025, 12:06 am • 0 0 • view
No worse than Elon Musk n Mark Zuckerberg having ur data but it's ok for them bc they are White straight Men.
jan 17, 2025, 4:16 pm • 2 0 • view
No they are not commies.
jan 17, 2025, 4:48 pm • 0 0 • view
i’m not scared of communism. capitalism ain’t exactly the Promised Land
jan 17, 2025, 7:51 pm • 3 0 • view
It's almost like the US should impose regulations instead of banning.
jan 17, 2025, 12:40 pm • 39 0 • view
All your devices & apps are compromised. There is no such thing as privacy anymore.
jan 17, 2025, 11:29 am • 16 0 • view
You’re really scared now, aren’t you?
jan 18, 2025, 1:25 am • 0 0 • view
I fucking swear this happened in a game I played and it started off good then shit hit the fan but instead of China it was North Korea and it was a new phone and not a media app i will treat this app like I do the ones here in America
jan 17, 2025, 12:26 am • 0 0 • view
LOL that was "Homefront" Amusingly, that was mainly just a plot device to explain why North Korean technology could be easily hacked with a cell phone.
jan 17, 2025, 12:52 am • 1 0 • view
Yes lol and I can kinda see how China can use this app to start stuff and push some propaganda just like how Russia did I could be wrong but just gota wait and see
jan 17, 2025, 1:05 am • 0 0 • view
There hasn’t been privacy since after 9/11. We just don’t care.
jan 17, 2025, 6:14 pm • 44 1 • view
Yeah I think people know.
jan 17, 2025, 6:22 pm • 1 0 • view
Rednote is literally a Chinese company, telling you they are monitoring you. People are MORONS. LOL
jan 16, 2025, 10:44 pm • 0 0 • view
Meta is literally an American company, telling you they are monitoring you. People are MORONS. LOL
jan 16, 2025, 10:57 pm • 10 0 • view
At the end of the day someone is harvesting my data. So i really dont care. Id rather it go to a place that "spreads" communist ideology than one that tries to extract every penny from it.
jan 17, 2025, 4:37 am • 36 0 • view
"spreads" "communist" ideology
jan 17, 2025, 6:22 am • 2 0 • view
China is authoritarian. Let’s be clear. That’s why there’s many words to describe things. It’s also why Americans think communism and socialism are bad. Let’s come up with a new word for not being a greedy power hungry scoundrel…
jan 17, 2025, 1:55 pm • 0 0 • view
jan 17, 2025, 1:50 am • 0 0 • view
We should stop using every app then. US based apps take every piece of data they can already. They're just mad they can't control and sell it
jan 17, 2025, 10:42 pm • 28 0 • view
What specific privacy concerns? I don’t really understand the “free speech” angle. It doesn’t exist online anywhere anymore.
jan 17, 2025, 3:50 am • 6 0 • view
Thank goodness. Some people should be muted.
jan 17, 2025, 4:08 am • 2 0 • view
Agreed!!
jan 17, 2025, 4:09 am • 1 0 • view
The American techbro dipshit who let a third party vendor abuse his users’ data to influence elections in two Western democracies caused this, so maybe focus on that?
jan 17, 2025, 2:14 pm • 94 1 • view
Also this.
jan 17, 2025, 3:46 pm • 8 0 • view
My "info" has been hacked and stolen several times in the past decade because of stuff like "medical billing accounts" and "owning a cellphone". So like... Can someone fix that problem?? No? We just gonna worry about OTHER countries stealing our info?? Americans stealing it is fine? K. Thanks.
jan 17, 2025, 6:54 pm • 65 2 • view
I just joined. It 看起来 a good way to improve my 普通话和中文。If anyone there pries into my personal info, they deserve the ensuing boredom.
jan 16, 2025, 9:35 pm • 13 0 • view
jan 16, 2025, 11:41 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm sure it's already been called "TikTok v2"
jan 18, 2025, 1:11 am • 0 0 • view
You won’t find me there.
jan 17, 2025, 10:55 am • 0 0 • view
What privacy? If you're online in social media apps like Facebook and Twitter you have no privacy. TikTok refugees as they're calling themselves are willingly giving their personal information to a more extreme version in Redbook out of spite. People forget we Americans are vindictive.
jan 17, 2025, 2:12 am • 2 0 • view
*rednote Here's a link to download play.google.com/store/apps/d...
jan 17, 2025, 2:18 am • 1 0 • view
You’re right…we are petty! 😂 But as it turns out, we’re also kind and curious. And the rest of the world is following. Red Note is #1 in the UK, Australia, Ireland…and I’ve seen people from all over the world on Red Note. Jamaica, Russia, South Africa, all over Europe!
jan 17, 2025, 6:52 am • 2 0 • view
As if my information wasn’t already hacked, stolen, and sold by AMERICAN sites such as Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Google. I can’t wait to consensually hand over my credit card information to RedBook and buy something in the store. We already do that with Temu. And yet Temu isn’t banned.
jan 17, 2025, 8:14 pm • 35 1 • view
Americans are upset about the TT ban, so in resistance to their government, they are WILLINGLY giving their data to China. Some are even saying if they ban RedNote next, people will print their information and give it to the Chinese consulate... It's soooo funny to see!
jan 17, 2025, 6:53 pm • 10 0 • view
Little red note is capturing your data more than TikTok . Happy data sharing
jan 17, 2025, 4:12 pm • 2 0 • view
I wonder how many of these posts loving on Communists are real people?
jan 17, 2025, 4:50 pm • 1 0 • view
I would rather make laminated printout copies of all of my internet information and mail them directly to Xi Jinping than trust Fuckerberg and the Emerald Mine Nepo Baby.
jan 17, 2025, 8:43 pm • 69 5 • view
I heard some one say they would print out their browser history and drop it at the chinese embassy.
jan 18, 2025, 2:13 am • 0 0 • view
Took the words right out of my mouth.
jan 17, 2025, 10:54 pm • 7 0 • view
You got me with “laminated.”
jan 18, 2025, 1:39 am • 1 0 • view
This exactly 💯
jan 17, 2025, 10:23 pm • 1 0 • view
And what are the privacy implications of letting Musk and Zuckerberg have our data? Letting the CCP mine your data is bad, but the alternatives are just as bad.
jan 16, 2025, 10:23 pm • 1 0 • view
worse, if anything, to give your data to the corporations in bed with your own government than to a foreign one that has no ability to target you.
jan 17, 2025, 12:40 am • 3 0 • view
Dawg. What is the NSA? The none billionaire none politician class is conditioned to know we are fucked no matter what we do so why does anyone think we’d care all of a sudden?
jan 17, 2025, 1:17 am • 11 0 • view
In the last 2 years, I've received at least 10 privacy breach letters from American companies that have been hacked. But, please tell me how dangerous another country is.
jan 17, 2025, 2:00 am • 61 0 • view
SAME and even had my identity somewhat stolen. Tried to file unemployment in my name as well as apply for a credit card. I already had fraud alerts set up bc I was rebuilding credit at that time & my employer actually notified me abt the unemployment b4 I even received the letter in the mail smh
jan 17, 2025, 2:27 am • 2 0 • view
I had a fake job offer for a remote job with a local business, they got my info as part of the "onboarding" process. Good thing my credit has been locked for 10 yrs.
jan 17, 2025, 3:59 am • 2 0 • view
Mine is just locked indefinitely at this point lol the fake remote jobs are super scary now because some have websites that look legitimate. I’ve had to tell a few friends noooo it’s fake!
jan 17, 2025, 4:03 am • 1 0 • view
The job offer was from a company I worked with at my former job, so I called the HR Director, and she was horrified. They had even posted on our state employment site with the company info, pretending to be them.
jan 17, 2025, 3:02 pm • 0 0 • view
Wow that is terrifying! It’s scary to think about in a time where people are looking for real work. Stuff like this can truly be life changing in the worst way.
jan 17, 2025, 5:12 pm • 1 0 • view
If scammers worked as hard at a real job, they wouldn't need to scam others.
jan 17, 2025, 6:27 pm • 0 0 • view
And who were they hacked BY?
jan 17, 2025, 3:38 am • 4 0 • view
Also...do you really think China wants the info of a middle class, single woman, with a credit score below 800? Dude, please. China couldn't give a shit less. Put down the conspiracy flavored kool-aid.
jan 17, 2025, 4:08 am • 2 0 • view
Who knows? Local, international, etc. My info has been on the dark web for 10 yrs.
jan 17, 2025, 3:57 am • 1 0 • view
Not China or tiktok? Probably hacked from the Equifax database. Ban credit score databases already. They're insecure, clearly.
jan 17, 2025, 4:09 am • 15 0 • view
But is congress finally going to listen to us? Seems to me they’re reinforcing negative behavior by ignoring us when we vote and only paying attention when we have a tantrum. Either way - their fault.
jan 17, 2025, 12:45 am • 1 0 • view
Nevermind the privacy problems, they discriminate against LGBT as a policy. TikTok is literally a website. You don't have to download communism to keep using it. www.tiktok.com
jan 16, 2025, 8:50 pm • 2 0 • view
What? You think the us goverment will band the app, yet keep the website available? And what you think will happen with the American servers when they shut them down? Call them out on their crap that much i won't fight you on, but let's not do the whole "red scare" tactics again
jan 16, 2025, 8:54 pm • 10 0 • view
Fwiw, I've been poking around Rednote for a few days, that hasn't been my experience. There's nothing in the rules against posting LGBTQ+ content, and I've seen a few videos from Chinese users about queer hotspots in different cities. I have seen 1 homophobic remark, which was reported and removed.
jan 17, 2025, 2:55 pm • 0 0 • view
I know I'm a sample size of 1 and that it could be a potemkin village, but I think it's equally likely the US government is spreading misinformation and propaganda about the app to scare people off from it.
jan 17, 2025, 2:56 pm • 0 0 • view
Well I don't use it myself but I learned about it from The Advocate. www.advocate.com/news/what-is...
jan 17, 2025, 3:13 pm • 0 0 • view
That's totally fair, and I'm aware what we're seeing now may be a curated experience. But in my couple days on the app, I've seen LGBTQ stuff and it didn't seem like an issue. Thusfar I saw 1 homophobic remark, and users in the comments reported it and got it removed.
jan 17, 2025, 3:34 pm • 0 0 • view
every major social media app discriminates against queer, especially trans people. again, nothing new.
jan 17, 2025, 12:33 am • 4 0 • view
But when it's TikTok it's "free speech"
jan 16, 2025, 8:36 pm • 4 0 • view
That's the point. They're making the statement that they don't fucking care...
jan 18, 2025, 1:49 am • 0 0 • view
Lol don't care
jan 17, 2025, 6:57 am • 2 0 • view
Let’s be frank. Is anyone actually MORE worried about some random guys from China getting our information OVER Musk, Zuckerberg, and the gang?
jan 16, 2025, 11:25 pm • 263 3 • view
My favorite part of the article: “adding that the EFF has similar concerns about US-based apps like Facebook.” Lol
jan 17, 2025, 12:09 am • 6 0 • view
Exactly. American platforms are already owned by evil villains who sell our data.
jan 16, 2025, 11:49 pm • 151 2 • view
100% agree. China is no longer the problem.
jan 17, 2025, 1:07 am • 1 0 • view
Only one of them may use that data and recorded audio to help with a war effort.
jan 17, 2025, 12:42 am • 3 0 • view
The call is coming from inside the house!
jan 17, 2025, 12:24 am • 0 0 • view
I think this is the dumbest comment. I’ve read here today. The only reason that people have your information is because that you signed up to say OK to terms and conditions and to their privacy policy. People so fucking stupid.
jan 16, 2025, 11:56 pm • 0 0 • view
www.theguardian.com/technology/2... Exactly, it'd be one thing if we had laws and regulations protecting our privacy from our own tech oligarchs, but we don't.
jan 17, 2025, 1:09 am • 7 1 • view
Both can be true
jan 17, 2025, 2:04 am • 0 0 • view
I’ll take my chances with the possible threat over the known EVIL.
jan 17, 2025, 4:54 am • 0 0 • view
My grocery store knows more about me than my own family, and Amazon is sitting on spicy info about me too. Idgaf about China, have my info!
jan 17, 2025, 1:31 am • 16 0 • view
I'd rather give it to China than a billionaire in America.
jan 18, 2025, 1:22 am • 13 0 • view
🤣
jan 17, 2025, 11:08 am • 2 0 • view
Yea, sorry, but I'd rather have my data in the hands of China than in Putins' hands. So, two middle fingers up to Trump, Musk, and Zuckerberg. Im learning a lot about the Chinese people, and they've been very welcoming. Refreshing from the hate and lies on US social media.
jan 17, 2025, 3:08 pm • 118 4 • view
What about YouTube shorts
jan 17, 2025, 4:55 pm • 0 0 • view
what a naive take - you are seeing what they want you so see to shape your perception. There is a reason Facebook, google, and tiktok is banned in china (they have a chinese only version of tiktok where they can curate content)
jan 17, 2025, 5:07 pm • 0 0 • view
Just like we are not like Trump, the average Chinese citizen is not like Xi. The CCP has a lot of blood on its hands. Ask someone on Rednote about Tiananmen Square or the treatment of Uyghurs and see how that goes.
jan 17, 2025, 6:47 pm • 0 0 • view
I can’t believe you would get an answer to that. It would be nice if you could.
jan 17, 2025, 7:01 pm • 0 0 • view
Right, which is the point here. Criticism of Chinese apps is about the government, not the people as a whole.
jan 17, 2025, 7:09 pm • 0 0 • view
Folks don’t have a beef with Chinese citizens, who likely have similar aspirations to our own. It‘s their highly restrictive authoritarian government that uses data to control them that is concerning. They, along with Russia and the government of Iran, are actively seeking to undermine democracies.
jan 17, 2025, 10:19 pm • 2 0 • view
Trump and his cronies will and have done an exceptional job at undermining democracy, I'd be more concerned about them and their mates than anything China does.
jan 18, 2025, 1:36 am • 1 0 • view
I hear you, but I'm concerned about ALL of it. China did its part to destabilize things and pit Americans against each other. We are about to enter the age of American kakistocracy, and it will be bad for everyone.
jan 18, 2025, 1:42 am • 1 0 • view
Well on Tiktok and Facebook 99% of the fake bots/influencers have mainly been Russian, as an Australian that's been my experience so far along with many friends especially during your recent elections 🤷
jan 18, 2025, 4:12 am • 0 0 • view
Do you think our government is better? Trump is actively undermining democracy. His plan to do away with birth right citizenship is him trying to undermine democracy. The Tiktok ban is not about data it's about money and them not having the ability to control us.
jan 21, 2025, 1:28 pm • 0 0 • view
I think the current pos in chief is the worst the planet has to offer. Musk and X along with Zuckerberg and Meta are no better, and they too are about controlling the narrative. All are suspect at the very least.
jan 21, 2025, 1:35 pm • 0 0 • view
That's the part that people don't understand. "Rednote" refugees won't last long - there's a reason why the Great Firewall exists. arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...
jan 18, 2025, 3:00 am • 1 0 • view
If they get moved to separate servers, they're still located in Mainland China and subject to Chinese laws. But we're so burned out from data mining in our country that they don't realize that surveillance with a Chinese twist is a whole different level.
jan 18, 2025, 3:03 am • 1 0 • view
Precisely!
jan 18, 2025, 3:06 am • 1 0 • view
No-one is telling you NOT to give middle fingers to Trump, Musk, and Zuckerberg. I, for one, will encourage it. What people ARE trying to tell you is that Xi and Putin are bffs and since Russia basically owns the US now anyway, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.
jan 17, 2025, 4:31 pm • 2 1 • view
Yea, I didn't say I was moving there. I just said I was enjoying the people and learning about them. I'm not sure why everyone is butthurt. Me enjoying something has no effect on any of you.
jan 21, 2025, 1:34 pm • 0 0 • view
Nobody’s upset that you’re enjoying your new app. I was making sure you knew it’s the same brand of spyware you were rallying against, and people were speaking up lest you normalize and promote it to those who may not know better. Enjoy what you enjoy; the avg Chinese person is worth talking to.
jan 21, 2025, 6:01 pm • 0 0 • view
I like how they phrase it as if we have any digital privacy in 2025. Yesterday I saw a gigantic rabbit eating a carrot on Xiaohongshu, I figure that was probably worth whatever hypothetical privacy I might have had without Xiaohongshu
jan 17, 2025, 1:21 am • 39 1 • view
🥱 "Privacy advocates" have already failed Americans by not convincing Congress to regulate our privacy. This is what self regulation looks like - people taking their data to where they feel most comfortable.
jan 17, 2025, 1:50 am • 2 0 • view
preferring the obvious evil, the duke of evil will probably join too
jan 16, 2025, 10:12 pm • 1 0 • view
The oligarchy doesn't want us talking to other earthlings around the globe bcs they're afraid they won't be able to CONTROL US ANYMORE!
jan 17, 2025, 2:54 am • 51 0 • view
How's about we become uncontrollable my fellow earthlings?
jan 17, 2025, 4:09 am • 18 0 • view
How about we become more retarded
jan 17, 2025, 6:02 am • 0 0 • view
That’s why they’re going after TikTok. Because it’s not owned by one of our oligarchs. Yet. I think something is brewing and they will take that over too in a last-minute bid to “save it” and the same shit
jan 17, 2025, 5:26 am • 1 0 • view
Yes. I fear thus too. But can they really put the geni back in the bottle?
jan 17, 2025, 5:52 am • 2 0 • view
No, they can’t. The curtain hasn’t just been pulled back; it’s been ripped to shreds 😉
jan 17, 2025, 6:37 am • 1 0 • view
Yuppers and I'm loving this. It's a cultural awakening
jan 17, 2025, 6:42 am • 2 0 • view
LMAO 🤣 Fuck right off with that silly shit.
jan 17, 2025, 2:36 am • 7 0 • view
My data is already screwed with the number of years on F*cebook, so it’s whatever at this point.
jan 18, 2025, 2:14 am • 1 0 • view
Eh, as long as the NSA exists no app will ever be the weak point in the data security chain
jan 16, 2025, 11:40 pm • 0 0 • view
Ah yes, because we don’t have drones as big as cars flying around that the gov “claims” they know nothing about but aren’t doing anything about them.
jan 17, 2025, 12:27 pm • 15 0 • view
Still stuck on that one eh?? Time to do more research.
jan 17, 2025, 1:45 pm • 1 0 • view
Look up “Dior bags” on TikTok
jan 17, 2025, 2:27 pm • 1 0 • view
I don’t do the tikaa to the tokka…
jan 18, 2025, 4:27 pm • 0 0 • view
No one cares. People in the states have been dicked around by zuck and bulldozed into platforms that sell their data. People are tired of this shit and when given the choice, would rather willingly give their info to china than zuck. The united states cost themselves their national security.
jan 16, 2025, 11:03 pm • 12 0 • view
nice try, diddy.
jan 17, 2025, 2:12 pm • 0 0 • view
If you had done your work…
jan 17, 2025, 10:22 am • 2 0 • view
We're all being watched, monitored, tracked all the time. I talked about how small apartments are in Manhattan and then got fed reels of small apartments in Manhattan on Facebook. T It's not that I'm ok with it, but that ship has sailed. There is no privacy. Everything is compromised.
jan 18, 2025, 12:38 am • 12 0 • view
Idgaf we're learning Mandarin.
jan 17, 2025, 4:07 am • 35 0 • view
I downloaded and deleted it within moments due to my lack of language skills and couldn’t translate it
jan 17, 2025, 4:54 pm • 1 0 • view
Do you have google translate? I just take a screen shot and then open it up there. I don’t read all the comments though. It’s nice when there is a blend of English and Mandarin so English speakers can still understand.
jan 17, 2025, 5:28 pm • 1 0 • view
I think it would bring bit of inconvience having to screenshot all the times wish to be able to comprehend what I’m seeing
jan 17, 2025, 5:31 pm • 0 0 • view
True but I’ve been managing. Creators are still speaking in English and if EVERYTHING is in Mandarin, you can go into settings and change it so things are in English. It will have English alongside some Mandarin.
jan 17, 2025, 5:33 pm • 0 0 • view
Bubble translate overlays your screen so it translates what's on your screen
jan 17, 2025, 6:05 pm • 2 0 • view
Thanks
jan 17, 2025, 6:45 pm • 1 0 • view
Everyone else has my data...can't see the harm in sharing some more. Now we are all on equal footing, everyone knows I have nothing
jan 17, 2025, 4:21 am • 9 0 • view
We don't trust them! China not bombing palistine
jan 17, 2025, 2:37 am • 3 0 • view
What privacy, nothing has been private by design.
jan 17, 2025, 4:41 pm • 7 0 • view
Remember that time National Public Data leaked the social security numbers, phone numbers and home addresses of EVRRY LIVING PERSON IN AMERICA? But yeah, China's the problem.
jan 17, 2025, 12:55 am • 8 0 • view
It's actually called "Little Red Book" (Xí hòng Sū) referring to the book of quotations by former authoritarian Communist Party leader, Mao Tse Tung. The movement is done in protest as the app is more of a Pinterest than a TikTok. The much younger Mao was actually once an anarchist, before all that.
jan 16, 2025, 9:05 pm • 1 0 • view
Thing is... we'd rather China have our data than Zuckerberg. We have more trust in China at this point
jan 17, 2025, 2:05 am • 5 0 • view
who doesnt spy on us anymore
jan 17, 2025, 7:26 am • 2 0 • view
Weird how there's no mention of meta and it's CRAZY intense data harvesting, and history of data malfeasance... I guess they're okay because they sell the info back to the US government?
jan 17, 2025, 2:15 am • 5 0 • view
Most of us are adults, we know EXACTLY what we're doing. I joined the app explicitly as a middle finger to the US government and Meta. And you know what, I've had a surprisingly nice time so far. Folks have been nothing but kind. Oh no, the CCP knows I like cats and video games now! The horror!
jan 17, 2025, 3:03 pm • 106 1 • view
Just don't say anything about the Uyghur Genocide
jan 17, 2025, 5:04 pm • 1 0 • view
That is not a unique thing to Chinese apps. Most of the big American platforms also suppressed speech about genocides and conflict. That's not an excuse, it's fundamentally wrong. But it's not a gotcha either.
jan 17, 2025, 5:29 pm • 1 0 • view
No they didn't. You were still able to shout about Gaza and "bring awareness"...TikTok became a viral spreader of misinformation and antisemitism Chinese apps literally censor. The difference is night and day
jan 17, 2025, 5:32 pm • 0 0 • view
It's not antisemitism to advocate for Palestinian people's freedom and to recognize the undertaking of a genocide. It IS antisemitic to equate the Israeli government with all Jewish people. Unless you're a big creator, you can't talk about it on TT or YT without suppression and demonization.
jan 17, 2025, 5:35 pm • 1 0 • view
I've been using TT since 2020. The app censoring speech was a MEME, it's why there's so much algorithm-evasion language that evolved from TikTok and creators on YouTube trying not to get their videos taken down. And Meta is a whole other nightmare trying to actually see posts by people you know.
jan 17, 2025, 5:38 pm • 1 0 • view
Telling me to go back to poland, that I have no culture, my family and people are just European colonizers, Hitler was right, etc with a Palestinian flag/watermelon, death Doritos/other movement symbols is not activism...it's using a respectable avenue for antisemitism
jan 17, 2025, 5:41 pm • 0 0 • view
Half the world's Jews live in Israel, it is a Jewish state in pretty much all levels, and people already make the connection of Israel=Jews Stop downplaying. There are many zionists like myself on the left side of the spectrum that advocate for a free Palestine
jan 17, 2025, 5:43 pm • 0 0 • view
Way more then that. Way way more.
jan 17, 2025, 4:36 pm • 0 0 • view
Lmao and thank you!
jan 17, 2025, 3:46 pm • 11 0 • view
yeah we don’t care 😀
jan 17, 2025, 3:34 pm • 3 0 • view
It’s fine, we’re just cutting out the middleman.
jan 17, 2025, 6:27 am • 25 0 • view
There isn’t any privacy anymore. It started with the Patriot Act and now we have SCOTUS punching holes in the 14th Amendment. Go talk to a friend about kayaking and then open up Facebook showing kayak ads and tell me with a straight face we have privacy.
jan 17, 2025, 3:27 pm • 132 1 • view
Don't use the apps.
jan 17, 2025, 4:31 pm • 2 0 • view
I don't, but they're not working to ban or limit them either
jan 17, 2025, 5:35 pm • 4 0 • view
If you are willing to give Communist China access to all your data, I don't know what to say.
jan 17, 2025, 4:30 pm • 0 0 • view
TikTok is so scary and such a threat that Trump, Harris and a slew of other candidates used it to campaign.
jan 17, 2025, 6:17 pm • 0 0 • view
All Chinese phones and electronics are banned as well.
jan 17, 2025, 6:24 pm • 0 0 • view
And? That app is banned in all military bases and government facilities. For a good reason.
jan 17, 2025, 6:23 pm • 0 0 • view
I’m sure. Congress has shown to have a great grasp on what apps can do. They are basically tech geniuses.
jan 17, 2025, 6:34 pm • 0 0 • view
But not Meta or Twitter? My understanding is the FB Messenger is one of the scariest, most intrusive data collecting apps out there. Not allowing certain communication devices/apps on military bases is very different from outright banning them. The same people who voted for the ban last Spring are
jan 17, 2025, 6:33 pm • 0 0 • view
now trying to save it. Either it's a national security threat at the public level or it isn't. People like @markey.senate.gov and @booker.senate.gov who voted for the ban but actively use the app today have some explaining to do. Because that's not normal behavior for a supposed nat sec threat.
jan 17, 2025, 6:33 pm • 0 0 • view
They been bought.
jan 17, 2025, 6:41 pm • 0 0 • view
My thing is I am old enough to remember who the communists are and they ain't our friends. I use nothing from China in anyway that can spy on me. I am only on Bluesky. When I found out I bought a Chinese tablet I never used it
jan 17, 2025, 6:40 pm • 0 0 • view
They can already purchase the same data from Meta and Elon on the open market. I don't see that being banned. The issue is we do not have any data privacy laws in this country because our Tech Oligarchs don't want them. If I'm going to be the product, I'm at least going to choose my consumer.
jan 17, 2025, 6:25 pm • 0 0 • view
I downloaded Xiaohonshu to an old, factory-reset phone with no sim card and not much else on it. I also created a new email and dummy phone so I can mitigate the risks associated with these apps. Is it perfect? No. But Zuck, Musk, Bezos are a far more imminent threat to my freedom than China today.
jan 17, 2025, 6:25 pm • 0 0 • view
I am glad you take precautions. Most don't. But, with trump 🇷🇺 war with China is a real possibility and think of all the unprotected phones they can take over if they insert malware.
jan 17, 2025, 6:36 pm • 0 0 • view
With Elon's inappropriate relationship to both countries with the sheer volume of US contracts, access, and influence he has, TikTok seems like small potatoes. The US tech world wants it both ways, full access to our phones and data, but not for anyone else. Thank god I never bought a Tesla.
jan 17, 2025, 6:41 pm • 1 0 • view
My advice. Use non enemy apps.
jan 17, 2025, 6:56 pm • 0 0 • view
I'm pretty sure they don't exist outside of Bluesky and perhaps the chaos that's Discord.
jan 17, 2025, 7:02 pm • 0 0 • view
I like bluesky. Hope it doesn't get bought up and we have to move on.
jan 17, 2025, 7:09 pm • 0 0 • view
Oh I agree but the data is only the surface of what that app gets them.
jan 17, 2025, 6:34 pm • 0 0 • view
I also agree there are serious concerns with TikTok. Until we address all Social Media this will only be a violation of my 1st Amendment Rights as far as I'm concerned. I worry about the people who think this ban will make them safe when it won't do anything close to it when they use every other app
jan 17, 2025, 6:37 pm • 0 0 • view
There will be a new tik tok owned by a friendly I am sure. It is a very popular propaganda tool and someone will start a new one.
jan 17, 2025, 6:49 pm • 0 0 • view
Are you aware that our government has always done this stuff? The only reason people are screaming is because China is making it a big issue. We ban hostile radio and tv all the time, if it affects our national security. The difference is this is a newer form of communication s.
jan 17, 2025, 6:47 pm • 0 0 • view
I just don't think the nat sec concerns as they relate to China were the real concern here. They're likely a convenient element but I think this was more about appeasing Tech-Bros who wanted less competition and Bibi who probably didn't appreciate all the videos being leaked out of Gaza onto TikTok.
jan 17, 2025, 7:02 pm • 0 0 • view
All possible. But, still doesn't change who owns and codes the app.
jan 17, 2025, 7:08 pm • 0 0 • view
I literally do no care if they have my information. They can literally buy it from meta. They probably already have.
jan 16, 2025, 11:33 pm • 3 0 • view
What utter crap! Anyone who thinks Elonia Musk or Suckerberg or any of these tech barons are not loose with your data is an idiot.
jan 16, 2025, 9:57 pm • 7 0 • view
Well, they can't turn on your video and audio, they can be sued, don't commit multiple genocides against ethnic, sexual and religious minorities, don't run black jails, secret police and extort people with their families. Because they can't. The Chinese Communist Party however can and does.
jan 16, 2025, 10:03 pm • 1 0 • view
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MZV... But you know, you could just use bsky or some other app which is neither pro-trump nor owned by any dictatorships?
jan 22, 2025, 12:53 am • 0 0 • view
But people like Musk advocate for genocide of ethnic minorities and trans people, are too rich to be successfully sued and now he is part of the White House. He and Trump will be more than happy to do those things, they just don’t quite have the power to do it yet.
jan 17, 2025, 4:01 am • 2 0 • view
Meanwhile the CCP has the power to do it and actually been doing it since it took power.
jan 21, 2025, 6:55 pm • 1 0 • view
Are you really as naive as you make out? You truly believe western ‘governments’ aren’t surveilling their own people.
jan 21, 2025, 7:27 pm • 1 0 • view
But that's not even the main point: the west does not extort, forcibly migrate and murder civilians. China does. (And most western countries are small and do not even have the capability to do it as much as China, and the EU has tonns of actually enforced civil protection laws.)
jan 22, 2025, 12:10 am • 1 0 • view
Does the CCP have the power to do it in the US? No. Does Musk have the power to do it in the US? Yes.
jan 21, 2025, 7:27 pm • 1 0 • view
Yes they do. And Musk does not run a secret police yet. And in any scenario, you have media options not of either from the US and China, so why go full retard and give all your data to a potentially turning fascist country, and an already fascist country? Just think for yourself a bit for fucks sake
jan 22, 2025, 12:12 am • 1 0 • view
Our country does it in the open, like the woman arrested for saying “Deny Defend Depose” to her insurance company, or the women arrested for miscarriages.
jan 22, 2025, 12:15 am • 0 0 • view
Yeah, that's not in the same caliber or frequency as getting extorted with your family or getting put into a slave camp where guards also torture and rape you like in China. And these victims actually got publicity and can overturn their case. You are delusional if you think China is better than USA
jan 22, 2025, 1:03 am • 1 0 • view
Cool. China isn’t doing that here in the us. Are they doing that to their own people and is that terrible? Yea. But is China going to do that to me here? No.
jan 22, 2025, 2:19 am • 0 0 • view
bad news re: the us government
jan 17, 2025, 4:01 am • 0 0 • view
Just because it's Chinese? Seems a double standard 😆
jan 17, 2025, 8:54 pm • 8 0 • view
Fuck it, Facebook steal our data and sales it to many different people including China. So might as well fuck over the stealing middle man.
jan 17, 2025, 12:37 pm • 65 1 • view
Said the boy who cried privacy issues. All apps and sites are stealing our data-we know and so we knowingly choose to tell the government where to stick it.
jan 17, 2025, 4:06 pm • 7 0 • view
Our data is in so much worse hands here in the US. And whatever “privacy implications” there are using a Chinese app are outweighed heavily by the people in both countries unlearning propaganda and building bridges.
jan 17, 2025, 1:36 am • 39 0 • view
If it means costing the millionaire/ billionaire frat boys money. I'm doing it.
jan 17, 2025, 1:38 pm • 26 0 • view
Yea sock it to them by giving a hostile Communist dictator all you data, your movements, scheduling etc.. Not just your videos. That's showing the tech bros.
jan 17, 2025, 4:46 pm • 0 0 • view
If you’re an American and are LGBTQ, had an abortion, hold views against the upcoming government, give shelter to undocumented people, your problem isn’t the Chinese, it’s the oligarchs holding your data.
jan 17, 2025, 9:23 pm • 6 0 • view
This was great and a baller move by China! People learned Madrin to have community and in turn everyone uploaded content to them without realizing that everything is now China’s. On the Tok they see that everyone has healthcare, a livable wage, and reasonable prices on food. It is like China cares.
jan 17, 2025, 10:51 am • 13 0 • view
Closing tiktok America doesn't want it ...
jan 17, 2025, 11:17 am • 1 0 • view
Remember Napster? This is the latest battle. The kids over there got a 270 day extension. It made 32 BILLION dollars last year and they want a piece of the pie. Over there they are reminding the government WE the people hired them. Now if everyone can just shut down Amerikkka for ONE day 😂
jan 17, 2025, 11:21 am • 10 0 • view
Chinese bot.
jan 17, 2025, 5:44 pm • 0 0 • view
I’m a basic white bitch excuse your profanity, sir!
jan 17, 2025, 5:48 pm • 1 0 • view
Don't worry, it seems to be just a name for people they don't like, so you're winning 😉 💗
jan 17, 2025, 9:00 pm • 1 0 • view
I do like to refer to myself as basic white bitch IRL. it throws people off.
jan 17, 2025, 10:06 pm • 0 0 • view
Oh I mean the ''bot'' one, it's pretty common internationally and dumb 😆
jan 17, 2025, 10:29 pm • 1 0 • view
Unfortunately, you cannot put the genie back in the bottle. We now know that Bezos and Zuckerberg have been spying on us for years, even decades. What’s the difference if China is doing it or they are. They just bought a presidency. There’s not much left to lose.
jan 17, 2025, 7:46 pm • 2 0 • view
That’s probably true, but there’s also about a 0% chance they can collect any meaningful data that hasn’t already been sold to them by Meta so 🤷🏻♀️
jan 16, 2025, 11:55 pm • 3 0 • view
Meanwhile, there's nothing stopping Meta from gathering all your data and selling it to China or Chinese companies. In fact, they probably already have. So what's the difference?
jan 17, 2025, 2:48 pm • 17 0 • view
no offense ol’ buddy ol’ pal but we’ve reached the headshot stage of critical mass in wealth inequality in this country, is not caring if china has our data should just elucidate how much we trust our own government to fuck us over
jan 16, 2025, 11:54 pm • 2 0 • view
Privacy? WHAT PRIVACY?
jan 17, 2025, 3:56 pm • 0 0 • view
What is red note doing that facebook hasn’t already done?
jan 16, 2025, 10:16 pm • 6 0 • view
what do you think the EFFs stance on Facebook is?
jan 16, 2025, 10:24 pm • 1 0 • view
I don’t know what is it ?
jan 16, 2025, 11:08 pm • 0 0 • view
from the linked article: «… the senior staff technologist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said “anyone for whom privacy is a matter of personal safety” should think twice before downloading RedNote, adding that the EFF has similar concerns about US-based apps like Facebook.»
jan 16, 2025, 11:22 pm • 1 0 • view
So what’s China going to do that the U.S. state department already hasn’t
jan 17, 2025, 12:40 am • 4 0 • view
I don’t think we need to know exactly how our data is going to be abused before we try to avoid it being collected. I don’t want either of those states nor corporations to have my data without my consent.
jan 17, 2025, 1:58 am • 0 0 • view
It's too late to lock the side door when the front door has its own, smaller, secret door that just remains open at all times. The horse has already been going in and out of the barn for a decade or more.
jan 17, 2025, 12:20 pm • 0 0 • view
then close your front door too
jan 17, 2025, 12:23 pm • 0 0 • view
what you’re describing is privacy nihilism and it’s not productive. Giving up only benefits those trying to surveil you. It is possible to fight back. Just because you can’t find a perfect solution in 10 minutes, doesn’t mean there aren’t ways to greatly improve your protection
jan 17, 2025, 12:28 pm • 0 0 • view
Oh really? What's the imperfect solution? You can't prevent your data being stolen or shared. Everything you do is subject to surveillance. Even your utility company sells you out. Subway sells you. You can't buy a stick of gum without the store attaching your purchase to a profile.
jan 17, 2025, 12:49 pm • 1 0 • view
If you have EVER used Meta, it’s too late for that. In fact, if you’ve ever been on the same Wi-fi with anyone who has Facebook Messenger on their phone, regardless of whether you use Meta or not, Meta has your data. FB Messenger is supposedly the biggest security risk in the app store.
jan 17, 2025, 2:38 am • 7 0 • view
too late for what? it is very disgusting and regrettable what they have been able to collect so far, but there is no point in giving up and giving them more
jan 17, 2025, 2:41 am • 1 0 • view
although, source on the wifi thing? I’m aware it’s possible to make quite a few inferences based on sharing an IP address with someone else, but I’m very interested in learning more about that
jan 17, 2025, 3:09 am • 0 0 • view
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