I think the time to try and convert transphobes has well since passed. I don’t think they’re susceptible to logical or empathetic arguments
I think the time to try and convert transphobes has well since passed. I don’t think they’re susceptible to logical or empathetic arguments
Fear (hate) based thinking is seldom susceptible to logical or empathetic arguments.
the time for kicking teeth has long since begun.
People said the same thing about homophobes in the 80’s
I used to be transphobic. I was transphobic because I was assaulted by a trusted trans woman. At the time, I was misanthropic because I’ve been assaulted by trusted cis men. The experience gave me PTSD. Insults and threats just made me seek TERFy spaces. 😓 Therapy is what snapped me out of it.
I'm glad you came around. As a fellow survivor of sex abuse I totally get it. It's hard to deal with the fight or flight response that gets set off without warning. It's much worse when it's someone we trust. Be kind to yourself and others.
@stny-trans.bsky.social
They must be shamed, confronted with the fact they are just scared cowards
You can't shame someone who thinks what they are doing isn't shameful, but what we do is. Shame doesn't work when the person feels no shame for what they do, because they have framed it in terms that cuts through shame tactics.
Beings without souls are incapable of experiencing empathy or shame.
LEGITIMATE QUESTION: when "gay" became more widely accepted on a legal level, like the legalization of same-sex marriage in 2015, did homophobia decrease on *any* measurable level?
No, quite the opposite. Hate crimes based on sexual orientation skyrocketed in 2015 after falling to all time lows in '13 and '14. In the US, when a minority group gains equality it causes them to be even more hated than before.
That’s a really good question. It “feels” like it did but the data would be interesting!
I agree. Fuck em.
If they were told that hurting themselves would hurt trans people they would do it in a heartbeat. We already have proof of that.
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They're all too happy to see trans kids dead. These fucks should never get an inch.
They're not.
Medicalizing children for gender is harmful and about to rightly be a crime
What kind of logical arguments? I would like to know
Maybe it’s because you’re trying to convert them rather than educate them. And I agree some people cannot be educated but no one should be “converted”
Trump and his evangelicals have seen to this.
They don't have have a 'phobia' about us. They perceive us as something 'other', as abominations to be eradicated to maintain their deeply ingrained patriarchal stereotypes. They hate our non-comfortity because it challenges 'social norms' and intrudes on their 'comfort' bubbles. They simply hate us
When Baroness Falkner of the EHRC was questioned about discriminatory guidance to remove trans people's rights, she kept referring to us as 'these people'. They don't recognise that transness even exists.They think it's a delusion, a mental illness, or deviant behaviour to be stamped out.
"convert transphobes" ... Well played 🎩
I realized this when a "socially liberal" colleague (who bragged about attending a gay wedding) reacted to a defense of my trans friends, not with a desire to understand, but with an explicit vow to harm or "fucking kill" them if they "come after my kids," in the most sorry not sorry tone imaginable
This was during that wonderful moment where Walz got the Dems to sack up and accurately call guys like him weird. It fucking broke him, he started sending unprompted texts about AI crowds and Dem perverts. Now he wants to pal around and I'm like dude...you said you'd kill my friend as
We should bimbofy them in their sleep, as a prank
I actually had an idea for a movie in which a TERF wakes up one morning, "a bit different downstairs" somehow; and finds herself unwelcome in women's spaces, and even her doctor tells her to learn to embrace her manhood.
People need to stop treating transphobia as an understandable or redeemable position that anyone could fall into by accident. It’s sick and evil and everyone knows it
The only reasonable response now is "what the fuck is wrong with you"
Personally, I prefer "What the fuck are you talking about".
I spent some time treating "I don't get it" and "lol attack helicopters" like justifications for quiet phobia so part of me was like "I changed, clearly most people screaming about child mutilation can too" Spoiler: I was wrong
It’s perfectly sensible to a religious brain. 40% of the world follows some abrahamic holy book.
Eh no. This is fundie brain shit. The quakers are a faith group and they're based as shit. This is just fundies using religion as a cover for domination ideologies.
Most people I've tried to argue with about it insist that biology is very simple, and that they understand what men and women are better than I do. Like this bigot earlier today: bsky.app/profile/terd...
Just block and report to @asukafield.xyz This is one of the couch fucker's chuds too. They're trying to bait for reasons to send feds after folk. Protect yourself and just block em. @forshame.bsky.social to zee who they follow that are problematic as well.
@for.shame.wtf That's the one ↑ Ignore the other @
Wrong guy. Don't know who you are or why you tagged me
Oh whoops. Was trying to tag the labeler, sorryy.
😂😂😂 Gotta get your alphabet mafia buddies involved to confirm your delusions.
Quiet, example, this is about you, not to you.
A lot of well meaning allies and even trans people see bigots as misguided and in need of education. Naw, they're actively trying to eradicate trans people and they need to be treated as active threats.
What do you do when a child throws a tantrum and won’t listen? Consequences. Not asking, not argument, not negotiation. Consequences.
They never were.
Nope, just gotta shame them silent.
Yeah, the goal is to get people who haven't been exposed to the politics of trans rights, not to deal with active transphobes You will not convince the hardened transphobes, but if effective you can get a normie-trans coalition against transphobic people.
Conversion therapy does not work in either direction.
The orange Felon has used lies, fear and propaganda to make it impossible for them to even look at a fact. They would be shunned from the cult.
11% of world is left handed. You can at least turn that 11% by asking them to explain how only 2% of kids were left handed in 1920.
The truth is that they don’t have a phobia. An irrational fear of something. They are bigots plain and simple. How do you correct bigotry? Has arguing with a bigot ever been successful in changing their stance? I suggest using bigot from the outset & avoiding transphobia use completely.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the term transphobia.
We won the war of left handed liberation. It took 50 years but it worked eventually starting in 1920s
I won't stop trying tho.
Maybe try ECT then?
They don't care if anything they say is true, they just want a group they are free to be hateful towards.
DNFTT
A question I have is how to convert the “we push too hard on trans issues” people. The “can we not talk about it so much” people.
They refuse to listen, if you tell them we were completely abandoned, they call you a liar, a bot, MAGA… they don’t care what trans people have to say.
These are quiet polite confedonazis. They just want us to be quiet. The more they speak up, the more you know that what you're doing is actually working.
This is a problem I face with friends IRL.
lol. Literally dealt with that today. "Dems haven't done enough to help trans people." "YOU'RE THE REASON TRUMP WON!"
Me too, it always happens.
Push harder. They're complaining cause it's working.
Nobody ever calls me antisemitic because I don't believe Jews are God's chosen people. Nobody ever calls me Islamophobic because I don't believe Muhammad was a prophet. Nobody calls me anti-Christian because I don't believe Christ is Lord. Forget converting people. Fight for tolerance anyway.
I mean there are a lot of "Christians" who do think that non believers or anyone who implies they don't have the right to enforce their ass backwards morality on people are anti Christian. But they also think sharia law is bad supposedly? So I don't think they are very bright.
It is not an exaggeration when people say transphobia rots your brain. To explain away the disconnect between your beliefs and reality, you have to consistently take on even more nonsense beliefs that are even more disconnected from reality.
"you can't reason someone out of something they didn't reason their way in to" reigns supreme only shame and ostracization will cure them
They are indifferent, uninformed and uneducated. But they vote.
is it not literally scientifically proven that bigotry is linked to a lower intelligence
Not really. Intelligent people usually know to keep their mouths shut, while not-so-intelligent people don't care to.
. that exactly proves my point. they're loud and wrong.
No but it is linked to a larger amygdala (fear center of the brain) so it is linked to being a coward, actually!
Thats why bigots need fascists. Bigots are just scared bullies, fascists are the real muscle.
is it now that we're learning that conservatives arent actually interested in "facts" and only care about maintaining their comfort, and understanding others is uncomfortable
The “facts don’t care about your feelings crowd” has all the real facts stacked against them, but they’re unable to realize
I really think that people don’t understand why binary born in the wrong body transexuality has support but the modern trans movement doesn’t, but watching the 2016 north carolina ads against the bathroom bill will help you out. They are basic and normal assimilationist arguments. And they worked.
They just want someone to hate. It’s weird.
If they genuinely want to be better, it’s up to them to make the first move and actually inconvenience themselves in some way. They’re grown ass adults and they don’t need coddling- just an open door for if they really mean it.
Focus on the ones who are not yet swayed. Be where they are, talk back, say "I used to think the same way until I learned _," and never repeat the misinformation. We're playing Hungry Hungry Hippos with the undecided.