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very tall bart @tallbart.com

I love how the "everybody had slaves back then" argument is so instantly revealing, because without knowing any history, anyone can easily think of a group of people who without a doubt owned zero slaves

aug 26, 2025, 10:58 pm • 1,536 226

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Jeannette Mullins @jlsea.bsky.social

If you’re talking about Black people, you would be wrong. There is historical record of some Black slaveowners.

aug 27, 2025, 5:50 pm • 0 0 • view
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Breezy Artworks @grrrin.bsky.social

Release them.
aug 27, 2025, 2:26 am • 0 0 • view
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Kategod 🐉🧿🦑𓅛🪬 @kategodart.bsky.social

that is such a fuckin nutso argument to make too lol

aug 26, 2025, 11:12 pm • 10 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

I study ancient history and always marvel how people today excuse the past and act like everyone was a caveman who didn’t know what they were doing. Since its inception, humans have known slavery was wrong. They just didn’t care. The economics outweighed any humanity.

aug 26, 2025, 11:14 pm • 68 2 • view
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Doug Urner (he/they) @douglasurner.bsky.social

Oh they cared, that's why they invented religion & races & racism...

aug 26, 2025, 11:39 pm • 16 0 • view
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Nyx Fluffpaw @nyxfluffpaw.bsky.social

It's funny how the largest slave owners were free black people, the man who freed the slaves was a well-known racist who only freed them because he planned to send them all to Mexico, and how Blacks in Africa were selling other Black people into slavery to get money to support their families.

aug 27, 2025, 2:27 am • 0 0 • view
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Nyx Fluffpaw @nyxfluffpaw.bsky.social

It's even funnier how nobody ever talks about that.

aug 27, 2025, 2:28 am • 0 0 • view
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Bama Montana @bamamontana.bsky.social

Citation needed for that first one.

aug 27, 2025, 2:42 am • 2 0 • view
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Nyx Fluffpaw @nyxfluffpaw.bsky.social

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ca...

aug 27, 2025, 2:45 am • 0 0 • view
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Nyx Fluffpaw @nyxfluffpaw.bsky.social

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William...

aug 27, 2025, 2:45 am • 0 0 • view
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Nyx Fluffpaw @nyxfluffpaw.bsky.social

Those are just two

aug 27, 2025, 2:45 am • 0 0 • view
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Bama Montana @bamamontana.bsky.social

That’s one guy. I thought you had demographic information on slave owners as a class that might support what you said.

aug 27, 2025, 2:46 am • 1 0 • view
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Nyx Fluffpaw @nyxfluffpaw.bsky.social

scholarworks.umb.edu/masters_thes...

aug 27, 2025, 2:49 am • 0 0 • view
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Nyx Fluffpaw @nyxfluffpaw.bsky.social

All of these can be found through simple Google searches, which makes me wonder why it is so hard for the rest of you to find this information.

aug 27, 2025, 2:55 am • 0 0 • view
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Nyx Fluffpaw @nyxfluffpaw.bsky.social

All I will say is this: the truth is supposed to be uncomfortable. It is supposed to be difficult to digest. If you want something sugarcoated, go eat a donut and then bugger off.

aug 27, 2025, 2:56 am • 0 0 • view
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Sharkboy, the Shark that is also a Cowboy 🤠🦈 @poopoobanoonoos.bsky.social

Even if that weren't the case, it's crazy how people will say that shit and draw absolutely zero conclusions about how broad societal forces can play a role in justifying the unjustifiable. Nope! Just "everyone was doing it, so that means it wasn't bad."

aug 26, 2025, 11:21 pm • 14 0 • view
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johniwaniszek.bsky.social @johniwaniszek.bsky.social

The folks who were enslaved, for example

aug 26, 2025, 11:45 pm • 10 0 • view
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Warlord89 @trent-moon.bsky.social

As someone who watched THE ORIGINAL Roots movie collection in highschool, I live in a heavily republican state and my Social studies teacher, god bless him, had the balls to say that white people did this and didn't I can safely say that not everyone had slaves, the north didn't! :3

aug 27, 2025, 5:45 pm • 1 0 • view
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Doyle @edoyl.bsky.social

I once said that a society where "Most people own slaves" is mathematically impossible and I got VERY strange responses

aug 27, 2025, 4:29 pm • 2 0 • view
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therealWokeKong @donkeykonga.bsky.social

Moses literally freed slaves in the Bible. Kind of ironic that the deeply religious American South loves defending slavery so much yet they also practice a religion where a major figure was very much opposed to slavery

aug 26, 2025, 11:19 pm • 29 1 • view
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Michel @2manyprojex.bsky.social

Tbf he purportedly freed only his people, the Hebrew slaves. There’s also very little archaeological and historical evidence to corroborate the biblical accounts of the plagues, the existence of Moses or the mass exodus of the Israelites. So he literally may not have.

aug 27, 2025, 5:49 am • 2 0 • view
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Baldockboro 🇫🇷 📎 @baldockboro.bsky.social

Sorry, are you seriously claiming that all the things in the bible might not have actually happened? That's a bit far fetched for me. I'm off to pray for world peace, bound to work sooner or later, then you'll look real stupid.

aug 27, 2025, 12:03 pm • 0 0 • view
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Michel @2manyprojex.bsky.social

I’ll definitely hang my head in shame if it all works out like that. Might even stick my hands together for a bit too.

aug 27, 2025, 12:06 pm • 1 0 • view
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She/they/it @branwensrookery.bsky.social

I get your point, however the entire Bible is completely pro slavery, the Mosaic law contains specific instructions on owning slaves, how to treat non-israelite slaves and so on.

aug 27, 2025, 1:06 am • 20 0 • view
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Darryl Pickles @happymemeco.bsky.social

There's a quote tweet on the OP About how Jewish people never owned slaves. Like, not only is there absolutely evidence of slavery in ancient Israel it's written in the religious test (in the Torah) explicitly how to treat your slaves. And plenty of times it's mentioned "so and so told his slave"

aug 27, 2025, 2:17 am • 3 0 • view
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She/they/it @branwensrookery.bsky.social

No major figure in the Bible was anti-slavery.

aug 27, 2025, 1:07 am • 17 0 • view
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Pandrogynous Cutie (they/them) @davidwelman.bsky.social

Right? Moses freed himself and his people from slavery, but that is very different from the more general "freed slaves". As you say, the Bible is very pro-slavery

aug 27, 2025, 9:12 am • 6 0 • view
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Tim Bevilacqua @bevilacqua-t.bsky.social

The old testament codified and placed restrictions on the immortal practice of slavery. Is this some weak tea? Yes. But to think the Bible is pro-slavery is to completely ignore the context in which humans wrote.

aug 27, 2025, 11:53 am • 1 0 • view
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Tim Bevilacqua @bevilacqua-t.bsky.social

Similar to thinking the Quran is "pro-polygamy," when it really just set a cap at 4, cause the status quo was out of hand.

aug 27, 2025, 11:53 am • 0 0 • view
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Pandrogynous Cutie (they/them) @davidwelman.bsky.social

That's still polygamy, as opposed to monogamy. Just like the bible calling for "ethical" treatment of slaves is still supporting the practice of slavery

aug 27, 2025, 12:10 pm • 1 0 • view
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Pandrogynous Cutie (they/them) @davidwelman.bsky.social

But I'm not judging the bible by the standards of its time, I'm judging it by the standards of modern day because people are still quoting it and using it as justification for their actions. I don't care about the context under which it was written, I care about the context it is being used in

aug 27, 2025, 12:00 pm • 4 0 • view
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Tim Bevilacqua @bevilacqua-t.bsky.social

People use religious texts to excuse all types of bullshit, and they don't care about the context either. That's a problem with shitty people. The religious texts are getting dragged by association with shitty people.

aug 27, 2025, 12:59 pm • 0 0 • view
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Pandrogynous Cutie (they/them) @davidwelman.bsky.social

It's 2025, I'm sure we can come up with some better standards and guidelines for how to live a moral life, new religions, new ways of being. Why cling to a 2000 year old book? You want to talk about context? Show me a religious text that takes vaccines and internet into context.

aug 27, 2025, 1:03 pm • 2 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

A modification of this is that "you can't judge them by modern view points." But I imagine a sizable specific population back then also viewed slavery negatively.

aug 26, 2025, 11:04 pm • 181 1 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

That is pure nonsense. Ask any anthropologist. Human are the same as we’ve always been. Every single one of them, as is the case today, knew it was wrong.

aug 26, 2025, 11:27 pm • 9 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

That i have to disagree with about knowing it was wrong. We can make all sorts of justifications to inflict harm on an outgroup that many people will internalize. Whether or not such justifications are fashionable or legal in society at any given time is the temporal aspect.

aug 26, 2025, 11:33 pm • 9 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

Simply not true. And you’re conflating two things. Historiography teaches to not use that to skew objective analysis. Again, ask any anthropologist or classicist.

aug 26, 2025, 11:38 pm • 0 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

Yeah, I am not disagreeing with not using those grounds to skew objective analysis. I am saying people are perfectly capable of believing post-facto bullshit to give permission to doing horrible shit.

aug 26, 2025, 11:43 pm • 2 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

I didn’t think you were. My point is they can’t lie to themselves. I’m getting out of my lane but physiologically humans are the same.

aug 26, 2025, 11:46 pm • 1 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

Gonna agree on that.

aug 26, 2025, 11:47 pm • 1 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

And I totally get what you’re saying. The morality was definitely worse and worse things were acceptable.

aug 26, 2025, 11:49 pm • 0 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

Whether or not a slaver deserves to have a personal meeting with John Brown is timeless.

aug 26, 2025, 11:33 pm • 11 0 • view
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Furzkanone @thaeross.bsky.social

Knowing it was wrong vs knowing it causes suffering

aug 27, 2025, 1:01 am • 1 0 • view
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D I C K S Q U A D @anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social

Nah, I think they knew it was wrong the way we know genocide and fascism are wrong here- but people are willing to play stupid or rationalize it if it benefits them.

aug 27, 2025, 12:57 am • 2 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

Beliefs can do primarily two things. Create a permission structure for all the horrible shit you want to do or constrain your actions so you comport in accordance with those beliefs.

aug 27, 2025, 1:05 am • 0 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

But the entire time, you know it’s wrong. That’s the basic point here.

aug 27, 2025, 1:05 am • 1 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

No, I fully believe in the ability for a person to twist themselves into knots to believe that an evil is good for "reasons".

aug 27, 2025, 1:08 am • 0 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

I don’t disagree that those people exist, but I’d argue that the few who truly believe that would be statistically insignificant. It would about the same percentage as the flat earthers who actually believe the earth is flat.

aug 27, 2025, 1:16 am • 0 0 • view
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Pinkie Power @pinkiepower.bsky.social

So, 100%? Nobody calls themselves a flat earther for teh lulz, those people sincerely think they're getting one over on the scientific community.

aug 27, 2025, 8:04 am • 0 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

They absolutely do. They just want to belong to a club. They know the earth isn’t flat.

aug 27, 2025, 11:21 am • 0 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

Man, you should see some documentaries where the flat earthers do some science and it unequivocally points to a curved earth and see how they react and justify themselves. People will believe some shit to belong in a group.

aug 27, 2025, 1:28 am • 2 0 • view
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D I C K S Q U A D @anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social

Maybe, but I think people enjoy doing admittedly evil things. Like Israel mocking starving and dying Palestinians. There's no way they think it's good, they just enjoy it.

aug 27, 2025, 1:13 am • 2 0 • view
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D I C K S Q U A D @anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social

I don't like the whole "maybe they had a belief that made it make sense", like ... the belief was they hated doing their own labor and hated Black people

aug 27, 2025, 1:11 am • 1 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

The exploitation of outgroups are politely expressed in the belief of deficiencies of the outgroups that justifies that they are exploited or ,sometimes less politely, the belief in the virtues of the in group to exploit.

aug 27, 2025, 1:24 am • 0 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

This how is how we conceptualize justifications to the innate monkey moral conflict of "be a dick if I can get an advantage" vs "don't be a dick because harmony with the group is beneficial"

aug 27, 2025, 1:24 am • 0 0 • view
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TimTom @jimmyjamjoe.bsky.social

Whether or not that belief is that people are better off enslaved or there is an underlying more honest belief that the strong have the inherent right to enslave is unimportant for outcomes and is more of a political issue than moral.

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D I C K S Q U A D @anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social

The belief was that it was wrong but they didn't care and who was gonna stop them, essentially. They didn't care about Black people enough to inconvenience themselves even a little. Much like today.

aug 27, 2025, 1:10 am • 2 0 • view
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Consume Prilosec @mymouthdreams.bsky.social

I would have to disagree with that. Some people justified slavery as a net good for black people that it was better than the lives they would have had in Africa. A lot of people were pretty indifferent to slavery, even in the North. Keep in mind most people had zero idea about the horrors of slavery

aug 27, 2025, 12:34 am • 0 0 • view
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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

They know enslaving another human being is wrong. Humans have never not known that. Every generation should be judged by that universal fact.

aug 27, 2025, 1:02 am • 0 0 • view
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Consume Prilosec @mymouthdreams.bsky.social

I think you're giving too much credit to 19th century people. Hardline abolition of slavery was a fringe stance even in the North in the antebellum years.

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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

I’m not giving them anything. You’re arguing morality vs innate sense of wrong. They aren’t the same thing.

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Consume Prilosec @mymouthdreams.bsky.social

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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

I didn’t mean it to insult so apologies if it came across that way. I just meant that humans innately know it’s wrong to enslave other humans. What they do from there is a whole other can of worms.

aug 27, 2025, 1:43 am • 0 0 • view
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Consume Prilosec @mymouthdreams.bsky.social

This attitude didn't start to change until after the start of the civil war and Union soldiers started writing home expressing the horrors they witnessed. The idea that morals don't change with time is laughable.

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Consume Prilosec @mymouthdreams.bsky.social

Now did some people have slaves and thought it was wrong? Absolutely. In pre-Constitution United States openly supporting slavery was considered uncouth. Attitudes had changed by the start of the civil war.

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A Man Has No Name 🇺🇦 @manhasnoname.bsky.social

99% absolutely knew it was wrong.

aug 27, 2025, 1:03 am • 0 0 • view
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karankshah.bsky.social @karankshah.bsky.social

Most people! It was already banned in most of Europe!

aug 27, 2025, 4:04 am • 1 0 • view
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Graham Mullan (NeverTrustATory on the old place) @bristolboy99.bsky.social

Many Popes owned slaves.

aug 27, 2025, 6:41 am • 0 0 • view
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Fractionalized & Monetized @fractionalizedmind.bsky.social

lol George Washington had to move his slaves out of Philadelphia once every 6 months in a legal loophole to avoid the laws *abolishing slavery within the state*. People definitely knew it was wrong.

aug 27, 2025, 1:18 am • 177 12 • view
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Fractionalized & Monetized @fractionalizedmind.bsky.social

Pretty sure the Quakers and a few other religious groups were against it the whole time too. Because yeah like, it’s pretty obviously evil. Like, literally watching most of the base logistical processes of slavery, like transport and auction, would make an unprepared person sick.

aug 27, 2025, 1:20 am • 94 4 • view
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Fractionalized & Monetized @fractionalizedmind.bsky.social

You gotta have massive sociocultural mind-fortresses to keep that shit functional in society. There’s a reason that kind of chattel slavery was invented *after* capitalism. Big structures need to be in place to keep that evil from festering over and falling apart.

aug 27, 2025, 1:22 am • 61 3 • view
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Queerhawk 🏳️‍🌈 | 🇺🇦 | 🛡 @alwaysadorecats.bsky.social

Also: the willful societal blindness to evil fed into the shift from viewing chattel slavery as a “necessary evil” (as Washington et al envisioned in a pre-industrial era) to a “positive good” (as Jefferson Davis et al envisioned it in the industrial era)

aug 27, 2025, 4:16 am • 2 0 • view
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Antifa Princess™️🗿💖🌻⛵️✨ @tleighb.bsky.social

I’m Gen X. We weren’t taught details abt slavery & I was educated in MA. It wasn’t until I moved to Sac that I heard the term Jim Crow. I vividly remember seeing a picture of 2 water bubblers next to each other labeled “whites only” & “negroes” We can thank the Daughters of the Confederacy for that

aug 27, 2025, 2:16 am • 22 0 • view
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Amy Phelps Bedell @btchmaster.bsky.social

I grew up in, and was largely educated in MA also. I can concur. I educated myself on the matter by reading outside materials.

aug 27, 2025, 10:53 am • 1 0 • view
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Antifa Princess™️🗿💖🌻⛵️✨ @tleighb.bsky.social

I was lied to my entire childhood. Moving to SC I was blown away by the brutal reality we weren’t educated to know. I was gobsmacked. If schools taught Emmett Till's story in middle school, our country would be different. Lincoln predicted this would happen..they killed him to silence the truth.

aug 27, 2025, 11:46 am • 1 0 • view
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Janet McKenna Lowry @janetmckennalowry.bsky.social

Oh! You wanna know why? A book called Lies My Teacher Told Me shows how textbooks won't make regional editions, so all this time MA kids' education was dragged down by the Daughters of the Confederacy(!) via the school boards of Texas and Kansas, even though we were a solid Union state.

aug 27, 2025, 11:42 am • 9 1 • view
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Antifa Princess™️🗿💖🌻⛵️✨ @tleighb.bsky.social

I never realized that all the textbooks were written by white guys. It wasn’t until I moved to SC & watched George Floyd get murdered that I made the realization that I’d been lied to since birth. It pissed me off It’s no wonder we’re in this mess. Daughters of the Confederacy is a terrorist org.

aug 27, 2025, 11:52 am • 7 0 • view
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Janet McKenna Lowry @janetmckennalowry.bsky.social

100% agreed. And the way they infected the entire country with their filth is infuriating. It's not the top reason I homeschooled (learning disabilities) but it was in the top 5.

aug 27, 2025, 1:14 pm • 3 0 • view
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TransQuakerism @transquakerism.bsky.social

quakers owned slaves, and it took at least a decade from the first suggestion they not to actually threatening dismembership for owning slaves. not to mention the amount of time before even that

aug 27, 2025, 1:44 am • 2 0 • view
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Eileen/Rinneil (COMMS OPEN) @rinneil.bsky.social

I went to the African American history museum in DC this summer and just reading about the way people were treated on the slave ships made me almost pass out. I know everybody says this, but however bad you think it was, it was probably worse.

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Adil @adilredivy.bsky.social

“No one knew it was bad, that’s why it was illegal in most of the northern states and all of Europe.”

aug 28, 2025, 12:03 am • 0 0 • view
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MeowTheNumberOneGrizzlyFetishFan @meowliosa23.bsky.social

and a lot of those people who viewed it negatively would be considered racist by todays standards. Many white supremacists, for example, viewed it negatively because of course they did.

aug 27, 2025, 3:04 pm • 0 0 • view
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Miranda Miller @randymiller.bsky.social

Also in their own life I doubt they’d be cool with “they just didn’t know any better” as an excuse for anything bigger than like a mild inconvenience, but generational chattel slavery is an exception I guess

aug 27, 2025, 1:42 am • 0 0 • view
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Janet McKenna Lowry @janetmckennalowry.bsky.social

You don't have to imagine it, many did, and they wrote eloquently and often about it. I had to defend the skill of reading cursive last year to make this point. They wrote in print of course, but also copiously in letters, journals, and legal papers. Follow @tadstoermer.bsky.social.

aug 27, 2025, 11:39 am • 0 0 • view
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Gucci Bedpan @guccibedpan.bsky.social

They’ve been trying out both sides of that argument, I’ve seen some conservative bobble heads quote the statistic “only like 2.5% of people were even wealthy enough to own slaves” like get out the kitchen with that cake fatties.

aug 27, 2025, 4:06 am • 1 0 • view
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MariBean @maribean.bsky.social

Back when? And where? thehistorypress.co.uk/article/slav... now.tufts.edu/2023/08/18/m... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery... www.setfreealliance.org/complete-gui...

aug 27, 2025, 6:14 pm • 0 0 • view
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WildGorillaMan @wildgorillaman.bsky.social

All these losers wanna be Ghengis Khan and fantasize about crushing their enemies, seeing them driven before them, and hearing the lamentations of their women They never grew out of their pre-teen power fantasies

aug 26, 2025, 11:46 pm • 10 0 • view
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Trails in the Panda @meimeimeixie.purplepanda.gay

and even if you take their arguments at face value and look specifically at poorer whites who didn't own slaves - most would have wanted to given the chance. And those that didn't still benefitted from jobs in slave-based economies (trading, catching, overseeing, etc) owning slaves was a huge step

aug 28, 2025, 5:01 am • 1 0 • view
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Trails in the Panda @meimeimeixie.purplepanda.gay

up the ladder in terms of both accruing social status, wealth, and political power "everybody owned slaves back then" is a weak, pisspoor argument even if you ignore the massive gaping hole in the logic

aug 28, 2025, 5:01 am • 1 0 • view
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Closed Guard and Chill @combat-hugging.bsky.social

I sure can.

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K'eeg @armormodekeeg.bsky.social

it's really funny watching people get this wrong in the replies btw

aug 27, 2025, 11:26 pm • 6 0 • view
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Azure Taryu @azuretaryu.bsky.social

the wild part is that, due to the way the feudal system worked, the European's didn't use slavery for centuries until they started building overseas empires.

aug 27, 2025, 5:12 am • 1 0 • view
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Josh Caladia 🐀 @josh.caladia.dev

my immediate thought, maybe a cop out, is that slaves generally didn't own slaves

aug 26, 2025, 11:24 pm • 14 0 • view
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Beckett @northwyndewhisper.bsky.social

Often throughout history, freed slaves who became slave masters were known to be the most horrifically cruel. Possibly because they had been psychologically damaged from childhood.

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Josh Caladia 🐀 @josh.caladia.dev

possibly as in almost definitely yeah, but also a freed slave is no longer a slave, so that doesn't count as a slave owning slaves

aug 27, 2025, 4:38 pm • 0 0 • view
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Knot Famous @zakaryalan.bsky.social

There are cases of black men owning slaves. I don't know of a case of an Asian, First Nation, or Latino as the owner of black slaves, but it is slightly possible. Asians were prevented from owning property and the vast majority of Americans were too poor to own another human.

aug 27, 2025, 12:23 am • 2 0 • view
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queenbeejdl.bsky.social @queenbeejdl.bsky.social

In the US some Native American tribes owned Black slaves.

aug 27, 2025, 10:24 am • 0 0 • view
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Knot Famous @zakaryalan.bsky.social

Slavery wasn't invented in America, but it continued in America after most of Europe had ended it. Slavery has a long history. It wasn't all white people owning Africans, but in America we did create a major industry of capturing and bringing black men and women to America as slaves.

aug 27, 2025, 4:24 pm • 0 0 • view
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Pádraig 🏳️‍🌈☘️ (he/sé) @patmch51.bsky.social

www.asianstudies.org/publications...

aug 27, 2025, 12:20 pm • 1 0 • view
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Bama Montana @bamamontana.bsky.social

One of the things that made the “civilized tribes” civilized is they could and did partake.

aug 27, 2025, 2:41 am • 1 0 • view
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Give War A Chance @houfek.bsky.social

Poor people, for example

aug 27, 2025, 1:26 am • 4 0 • view
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MeowTheNumberOneGrizzlyFetishFan @meowliosa23.bsky.social

that's just not true, they enslaved less people than rich people because of course they did. they still enslaved people. this idea that it was just a few people and not the majority is just revisionist southern propaganda up there with "the north started the war".

aug 27, 2025, 3:16 pm • 0 0 • view
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Beckett @northwyndewhisper.bsky.social

Actually that argument doesn't even hold water for non-slave groups. For instance, the United Society of Believers (the Shakers) never owned slaves. It was a requirement of answer entrance into the society that any slaves one held at the time had to be given papers of manumission.

aug 27, 2025, 3:22 pm • 1 0 • view
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Beckett @northwyndewhisper.bsky.social

Quakers.

aug 27, 2025, 12:42 pm • 0 0 • view
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Henry Wilhelm 💛🤍💜🖤 @nymphrodell.bsky.social

Slaves. Slaves didn't own slaves. That's what the poster is getting at. Sure, Quakers too, but only universally after the early 1770s.

aug 27, 2025, 1:31 pm • 3 0 • view
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Raptor @raptornx01.bsky.social

it was always a dumb argument the way they used it anyway. because the slave owners were always the elite class, no matter which culture we'd be talking about. Both for free labor & as a way of keeping control of their subjects by giving them someone to step on so they miss getting stepped on.

aug 27, 2025, 3:32 am • 3 0 • view
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Oly @olyfisher.bsky.social

they view them as the same group as the kingdoms and empires they were taken from, because ethnonationality is the most important division of humanity in their minds

aug 26, 2025, 11:03 pm • 2 0 • view
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D̸̷͏̥͕̞̗͉̳̳̹̹͙̗̺͉̼̟4͎̭͚̺̜͎͚̞̘v̶͛ͬ͆ͣͨ̌ͩ͊͗͑͂ͯ̈́̑͞҉̫̻͔̣̳̮̻̻̯̖̖̟̳͕ 🏳️‍⚧️ @d4vitron.bsky.social

the very quiet, but immutable "i don't consider slaves to be human beings included in 'everyone'"

aug 27, 2025, 8:16 am • 3 0 • view
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Joseph McLaine @josephmclaine.bsky.social

Not everyone had slaves. Which is irrelevant. Because slavery is wrong no matter how many or how few had slaves or condoned it.

aug 27, 2025, 1:39 pm • 0 0 • view
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Betsy Bee @betsybeeee.bsky.social

History remembers the powerful. Decent people don't seek to subjugate others, so we don't remember them. We remember the arseholes and then excuse their behaviour because it was in the past.

aug 27, 2025, 5:17 am • 2 0 • view
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Ishkur @ishkur.bsky.social

Poor people couldn't afford slaves.

aug 27, 2025, 12:11 am • 4 0 • view
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charkeraervin.bsky.social @charkeraervin.bsky.social

How did we know they knew better? They never sold their family into slavery.

aug 27, 2025, 2:05 am • 2 0 • view
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cab.💣 (atom bomb era) @cabinworm.bsky.social

what’s super interesting about the makeup of slavers is that, whilst white men were obviously the majority, white WOMEN were known to be especially cruel

“They were her property” by Stephanie Jones-Rogers
aug 26, 2025, 11:08 pm • 68 3 • view
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doublexxcross.bsky.social @doublexxcross.bsky.social

White women need to remember we're white before we are women.

aug 26, 2025, 11:36 pm • 13 0 • view
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𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐚 @4a-on-the-flora.bsky.social

actually the two are not separable like that it's "white womanhood" as opposed to "whitehood" and "womanhood"

aug 26, 2025, 11:39 pm • 29 0 • view
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Helena L. Martin @helenalmartin.bsky.social

This book was distressingly enlightening.

aug 27, 2025, 4:14 am • 2 0 • view
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darkkristallized.bsky.social @darkkristallized.bsky.social

I started this but didn't get far. Gonna have to pick it up again.

aug 27, 2025, 12:23 pm • 1 0 • view
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Elisha @elletheebelle.bsky.social

This book always reminds me of Delphine LaLaurie.

aug 27, 2025, 2:12 am • 1 0 • view
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Rigel @rigelr.bsky.social

By the same token, "they were a product of their time" fails because there were contemporary abolitionists and reformers who were ALSO products of that same time!

aug 27, 2025, 6:32 am • 9 0 • view
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heim2yankel.bsky.social @heim2yankel.bsky.social

Among the first slaves sold into the Americas were the Irish. www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/colu...

aug 27, 2025, 6:31 am • 0 0 • view
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moki @mokidokie.bsky.social

The irish/african slave trade crossover is like criminally understudied honestly. god forbid we learn that white people treated other white people (and that the other white people were not even considered white yet) like livestock too.

aug 28, 2025, 11:50 pm • 1 1 • view
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Meza @meza.bsky.social

Even back then, plenty of people thought it was horrific. *The Spanish Crown* thought Columbus was a monster! Standards existed even under monarchies.

aug 27, 2025, 12:28 am • 31 1 • view
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Park Joh-eun Wei🌸 @baekjoh-eunwei.bsky.social

The majority of Southern whites were poor, illiterate, owned no slaves. Wealthy elites owned large tracts of land and slaves. The Civil War was, "A rich man's war and a poor man's fight" Rich men could pay substitutes. Readers read and wrote letters home. Wives starved. Desertion a huge problem

aug 27, 2025, 12:45 am • 14 1 • view
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Agrrlcandreem @agrlcandrm.bsky.social

True, a lot of those "states rights" Confederates who would "fight for the cause" actually bought their way out (ahem, Drumpf) to send the poor non slave owners.

aug 27, 2025, 2:42 am • 2 0 • view
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Park Joh-eun Wei🌸 @baekjoh-eunwei.bsky.social

Required owning certain number of slaves. Hired subs were to prevent leaving wife and daughters on plantation alone with a crew of slaves (who might rape them in master's absence)

aug 27, 2025, 6:59 am • 0 0 • view
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Park Joh-eun Wei🌸 @baekjoh-eunwei.bsky.social

Southern society was wealthy elites, former slaves, poor whites. The wealthy pitted poor whites and blacks against each other telling poor illiterate whites they were superior in order to maintain power as the poor vastly outnumbered the wealthy. It has been that way ever since

aug 27, 2025, 12:52 am • 12 1 • view
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Thought Slime @slimemildred.bsky.social

Like nobody thought to ask the slaves what they thought.

aug 27, 2025, 5:40 am • 25 0 • view
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Apathetic Zealot @apathetic-zealot.bsky.social

Which group? Native American tribes had African slaves, and even a handful of black people owned black slaves. That doesn't detract in any way from the horrors of white plantation slavery or validate the idea slavery wasn't immoral because it was common.

aug 27, 2025, 12:58 am • 2 0 • view
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no @juniperknock.bsky.social

Quakers and abolitionists??

aug 27, 2025, 1:57 am • 2 0 • view
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Aubrey Jones @aubreyjones.bsky.social

Plenty of Quaker slave owners.

aug 27, 2025, 4:13 am • 2 0 • view
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no @juniperknock.bsky.social

what is 'plenty'? also for posterity, you couldnt be a quaker and own slaves past 1774, they would excommunicate you if you did.

aug 27, 2025, 10:36 am • 1 0 • view
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Aubrey Jones @aubreyjones.bsky.social

Enough not to be a statistical oddity.

aug 27, 2025, 10:55 am • 1 0 • view
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no @juniperknock.bsky.social

thanks for the article! i had no idea protestants considered themselves to be the main champion defenders of slavery, very interesting

aug 27, 2025, 11:02 am • 1 0 • view
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Kitchie 🍁North of the Wall🍁 💙💛🦒 she/her @kitchieg.bsky.social

Poor people.

aug 27, 2025, 5:28 am • 2 0 • view
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Argyle @bubblehillfarm.bsky.social

slaves

aug 27, 2025, 1:03 am • 8 0 • view
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A cavalcade of anger and fear @uhhhclem.bsky.social

It was interesting studying history in the 80s, seeing the way older historians wrote about “Southerners” and younger ones about “white Southerners.”

aug 27, 2025, 4:45 am • 4 0 • view
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Most of the World is a Ghetto, why?? @cjdll.bsky.social

Quick thought, with all of the “rationing” of slavery, I ask: Jim Crow, because it was to achieve what goal? Slavery Civil War Reconstruction Black codes Jim Crow Today! So, rationing slavery doesn’t equate to the why of the following decades, unless you consider…..🤔

aug 27, 2025, 4:40 am • 1 0 • view
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Liam Beckett @thesaltoftheearth.bsky.social

It’s also just a dumb argument because it’s wrong. No, not everyone had slaves. That’s like saying everyone has a house in 2025.

aug 27, 2025, 6:05 am • 5 0 • view
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darkkristallized.bsky.social @darkkristallized.bsky.social

The Miseducation of the Negro is truly eye opening. White Rage by Carol Anderson also blew my mind. The chapter on Brown vs. Board of Education explains SO much about why there are so many ignorant ass mofos here.

aug 27, 2025, 12:22 pm • 0 0 • view
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John Brownell @johnbrownell.bsky.social

Slaves. Slaves did not own slaves, and excuse TF outta me, but I consider them part of the damn "everybody"

aug 27, 2025, 3:52 pm • 1 0 • view
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Blackjack Gabbiani @blackjackgabbiani.bsky.social

Depends entirely on which "back then" is being discussed because the answer will vary wildly. Horrid part is that it only started even being QUESTIONED within the past few hundred years.

aug 27, 2025, 8:15 am • 0 0 • view
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Broccoli @cryopunk.bsky.social

America is so racist that some people, entire states even, were against slavery mostly because it meant their eventual integration into society. You had to be a special kind of evil person, or US President, to go the extra mile.

aug 27, 2025, 2:45 am • 2 0 • view
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Dogmusic9💙🎹🌈🌊🇺🇸🇺🇦🌻 @dogmusic9.bsky.social

Most of us are appalled by the notion of slavery THANK GOD! But there is always that hard 30% that have no moral high ground and just want to be rich no matter what.

aug 27, 2025, 4:54 am • 4 0 • view
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Pádraig 🏳️‍🌈☘️ (he/sé) @patmch51.bsky.social

74% of whites in 2024 chose the explicit roadmap for a white supremacist, Christian fascist ethnostate, either by voting for its architect (55%) or abstaining from the election (19%).

aug 27, 2025, 12:18 pm • 1 0 • view
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Rachael the Hobbit @rachael-the-hobbit.bsky.social

I think some of it psychologically is also that they want to be contrarian.

aug 27, 2025, 7:35 am • 3 0 • view
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Rachael the Hobbit @rachael-the-hobbit.bsky.social

Even if that weren't so wildly untrue, so what? Uh normal back in one-room schoolhouse times doesn't have to be normal today?

aug 27, 2025, 7:40 am • 0 0 • view
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Colin in Edinburgh @colinedinburgh.bsky.social

The US currently has over 800,000 slaves, as explicitly permitted by the 13th Amendment. medium.com/@colingajews...

aug 27, 2025, 9:11 pm • 0 0 • view