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Will Oremus @willoremus.com

as usual, some of it is reasonable pushback that raises some fair points about the drawbacks of capitalism’s hyperfocus on growth, etc. and then a bunch more is angry people finding their latest target to unload on in ways wildly disproportionate to the perceived offense

aug 7, 2025, 5:11 pm • 78 3

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Minister Denby @tjmzj.bsky.social

My takeaway was: If there’s ongoing growth in users but not growth in posting/engagement, that’s a problem. He doesn’t outline it in the post but I think what he’s pointing to is that user migration from other networks has plateaued and Bluesky now has a growing bot infestation.

aug 7, 2025, 5:19 pm • 0 0 • view
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Dave Lee @davelee.me

especially shitty to jump on someone like Matt who has been covering this stuff for absolutely ages now

aug 7, 2025, 5:13 pm • 18 0 • view
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Will Oremus @willoremus.com

yeah. i understand some people may see it quote tweeted into their feed and assume it’s from a bad faith troll. and then jump on it with their own assumptions, knowing everyone here will loudly agree. but that dynamic is also sort of the root of the problem i’m describing

aug 7, 2025, 5:30 pm • 13 0 • view
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notd.io @notdnetwork.bsky.social

somewhat unavoidable when there are no barriers to post. It's almost guaranteed to happen when there are enough people with varying beliefs on the network.

aug 7, 2025, 6:07 pm • 0 0 • view
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SammE @indorfin.bsky.social

You're just describing the internet.

aug 7, 2025, 5:47 pm • 8 0 • view
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Will Oremus @willoremus.com

too much of it, yes! but not all of it, and i'd submit that's not the way it has to be. one upside to bluesky not hyperscaling is that there may still be some room here for the culture to evolve in one direction or another

aug 7, 2025, 5:49 pm • 2 0 • view
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SammE @indorfin.bsky.social

I don't define Bluesky by the Catch Up feed 🤷 Like, you're describing tactics that create big, popular posts, but this is an app that goes out of its way to deincentivize the monoculture. I didn't see his post until I saw this thread.

aug 7, 2025, 5:58 pm • 5 0 • view
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SammE @indorfin.bsky.social

Maybe picking a post that was optimized to get a bad reaction isn't actually all that meaningful of an indicator of the app's culture. I follow artists and people I like, and I think it's pretty great here 🤷

aug 7, 2025, 5:58 pm • 2 0 • view
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Will Oremus @willoremus.com

that’s great to hear. i would love to think we’re in a world in which social networks can thrive just by being some things to some people rather than all things to all people.

aug 7, 2025, 6:14 pm • 0 0 • view
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SammE @indorfin.bsky.social

Okay. I don't know why you don't think that. I thought all of the "journalists have capitalist brainrot" takes were exaggerating a bit, but uh...

aug 7, 2025, 6:21 pm • 1 0 • view
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Will Oremus @willoremus.com

good grief. i said it’s great to hear you’re enjoying it here. and i expressed hope that maybe we’re in a world where niche networks can thrive. but you assumed it was sarcasm and insulted me. which one of us has brain rot?

aug 8, 2025, 12:54 am • 1 0 • view
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SammE @indorfin.bsky.social

I didn't assume it was sarcasm. I assumed that you really want that, but don't believe that we're there.

aug 8, 2025, 2:49 am • 0 0 • view
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annekin1.bsky.social @annekin1.bsky.social

Very clear most of the negative posts hadn't read the article. Also that I have absolutely no interest in any of the trending topics on Bluesky! & that areas I am interested in (politics, environment etc) has very good engagement. So I wonder if the Bluesky age range is higher than others sites?

aug 7, 2025, 5:41 pm • 3 0 • view
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teddyfan.bsky.social @teddyfan.bsky.social

You’re describing all social media - Home of Raging Projections.

aug 7, 2025, 5:19 pm • 0 0 • view
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D I C K S Q U A D @anarchymarshmallow.bsky.social

I think the quick hostility is from folks who've been hearing different versions of this same opinion every few weeks since bsky got going. After a while it starts to feel sus.

aug 7, 2025, 6:02 pm • 5 0 • view
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Dan Miller @meelar.bsky.social

There's nothing wrong with focusing on growth when you're comparatively minuscule. Especially in a place that still doesn't have a sustainable business model in place AFAIK.

aug 7, 2025, 5:13 pm • 5 0 • view
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Eric the .5b @semiapies.bsky.social

And particularly when actual use of the site is measurably *falling*. Nobody cares about "traffic at all microblogging sites", they care about whether the people they follow on (and the friends who followed them to) a service stop posting.

aug 8, 2025, 5:26 pm • 0 0 • view
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Brett "Solidarity 2025" Banditelli @banditelli.org

Matt isn't someone in peoples lives and the first time they see him attacking their favorite website with, as you rightly note, skewed analysis, perhaps the first website they've ever found where they feel to be a part of it, they're going to post reactively. It's fine. He's a professional.

aug 7, 2025, 5:17 pm • 6 0 • view
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Brett "Solidarity 2025" Banditelli @banditelli.org

Matt's audience isn't general everyone. It's weirdos like me on his email list. I wouldn't stress.

aug 7, 2025, 5:17 pm • 4 0 • view
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Brett "Solidarity 2025" Banditelli @banditelli.org

Also, he wrote the post to get a response. again. he's a professional. he didn't write it with the hope of getting people to understand what the current growth metrics are. he wrote it to get a reaction.

aug 7, 2025, 5:17 pm • 7 0 • view
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Midatlantica @midatlantica.bsky.social

Yeah, and his analysis of the data seems purposefully worded to spike engagement. There’s plenty of ways to word his findings without saying BlueSky risks becoming a ghost town. He’s playing the time-honored game of rage bait

aug 7, 2025, 5:21 pm • 5 0 • view
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Snootacamund @snootacamund.bsky.social

It gets tedious how this analysis is always framed as a *bluesky problem* and not a *text based social networks have growth issues in 2025, and returns may not be there for participants in 2025* problem.

aug 7, 2025, 5:14 pm • 12 0 • view