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I’ve been using Firefox as exclusively as possible for years and have been quite happy with it. Combined with Nord VPN, Incogni, and the Ghostery extension the number of junk calls I’ve gotten has dropped to zero. Thank you for making a useful browser.

aug 27, 2025, 3:03 am • 2 0 • view

Same. Appreciate FF

aug 27, 2025, 5:24 pm • 1 0 • view

NordVPN collects your information, i suggest something like Proton VPN , or Mullvad VPN.

aug 28, 2025, 8:29 pm • 0 0 • view

I’ve heard both that it does and does not. www.vpnmentor.com/blog/nordvpn... . This article seems overly friendly but content creators like Curious Droid are as sophisticated as they come. Do you have creditable sources that demonstrate that Nord collects information?

aug 28, 2025, 8:52 pm • 0 0 • view

Additionally YouTube channel called TechLore provides information about it

aug 28, 2025, 9:02 pm • 0 0 • view

In privacy community NordVPN is not recommended, my much more qualified friends always recommend Mullvad VPN, Proton VPN, iVPN, Mozilla VPN all of which are verified by community.

aug 28, 2025, 9:01 pm • 0 0 • view

The near-monopoly of Chromium is a problem, and a reason I'm a Firefox supporter, but this thread got many facts incorrect. - Chromium is not an engine. It's engine is a fork of WebKit called Blink. - Blink and WebKit are also open-source. - Ad-blocker limits in Chrome are unrelated to the engine.

aug 26, 2025, 8:28 pm • 13 4 • view

The general thesis of the thread is spot-on (more voices in the market means more interests are represented in the development of the web), but getting these basic facts wrong makes the argument sound disingenuous and hurts the cause. Please do better when posting about this stuff.

aug 26, 2025, 8:28 pm • 7 0 • view

1. Chromium is used interchangeably with Blink (in fact, most people don't know what Blink is) 2. We were referring to Safari, which is part of Apple's closed ecosystem. But you're right. 3. Our independence enables innovation that Google wouldn’t fund on its own like ad blockers

aug 26, 2025, 9:20 pm • 8 0 • view

Fair enough, but it's important when making these kinds of arguments to reduce ambiguity. For example, if most people don't know what Blink is, and your goal here is to explain rendering engines, it's bad form to perpetuate the ignorance.

aug 26, 2025, 9:30 pm • 5 0 • view

It's also odd to make "open-source" a main point here, especially when *the* reason so many other browsers are based on the Chromium project is specifically because it's open-source. It's not an easy problem to explain to people, so I appreciate the challenge, but you can't be flippant about it.

aug 26, 2025, 9:30 pm • 2 0 • view

The main point here is that we're very close to a duopoly with Google and Apple. Agreed, this isn't easy to explain so appreciate the community coming through with feedback. We'll continue discussing this on our channels so we can keep the conversation going.

aug 26, 2025, 9:42 pm • 10 0 • view

Safari is still king

aug 26, 2025, 8:57 pm • 0 0 • view

Meanwhile, Safari:

aug 27, 2025, 6:50 pm • 0 0 • view

Seems you missed the point here f the post.

aug 27, 2025, 6:30 pm • 0 0 • view

Of*

aug 27, 2025, 6:30 pm • 0 0 • view

I will switch exclusively to Firefox and even pay a considerable amount for a browser that lies to data harvesters. We can't stop the collection without basically giving up the web. But we can make their databases unreliable and less profitable. Enshitify the enshitifiers!

aug 27, 2025, 5:44 pm • 5 1 • view

aug 27, 2025, 6:51 pm • 1 0 • view

I have been using Netscape Navigator and Firefox since the very beginning. It always felt rebellious. Fighting monopolies one at a time.

aug 26, 2025, 9:02 pm • 3 0 • view

The problem is less browsers, and more search engines. I'm old enough to remember when you got back useful results. Not page after page after page after page of ads and fake reviews. Browsers aren't ruining the Internet, business is. As usual. I go between FF and Edge. I know, I'm a bad person

aug 27, 2025, 6:51 pm • 1 0 • view

you can install ad blocker on Official Firefox Add-ons Store, my recommendation is uBlock Origin

aug 28, 2025, 8:27 pm • 1 0 • view

Most browsers are built on Chromium (aka Google’s engine). The other big player? Safari. It runs on WebKit, a closed-source browser engine with limited flexibility. 2/7

aug 26, 2025, 7:17 pm • 64 0 • view

So what’s left? It’s Firefox. We run on a different engine called Gecko. It’s open-source and independent. 3/7

aug 26, 2025, 7:17 pm • 79 1 • view

Gecko is great until you hit a web site that it doesn't work with, like my credit unions rewards/travel booking service. Also, still can't do HDR video. 🤷‍♂️

aug 27, 2025, 12:26 am • 1 0 • view

So why does that matter? A few reasons: less options means only 1 or 2 companies are deciding how you browse online and what features get developed (or not) 4/7

aug 26, 2025, 7:17 pm • 64 1 • view

A good example of this are adblockers! Having a seat at the table means giving you a real choice so you can browse on your terms. 5/7

aug 26, 2025, 7:17 pm • 65 1 • view

Also, it’s not just about us. Our browser engine helps power other independent browsers giving you even more choices. 6/7

aug 26, 2025, 7:17 pm • 69 0 • view

So using Firefox and supporting Gecko-based browsers is pretty defiant. What you’re saying is: I believe the internet belongs to all of us, not just a select few. Thanks for coming to our ted talk! Here’s a flame 🔥 7/7

aug 26, 2025, 7:17 pm • 111 4 • view

I love Firefox. I don't love the fact it drains my laptop battery in about an hour.

aug 26, 2025, 9:26 pm • 0 0 • view

Safari itself is part of the Apple ecosystem, and that’s what we meant when we said ‘closed' and with limited flexibility. Appreciate those who are fairly pointing out that WebKit is open source.

aug 26, 2025, 9:13 pm • 60 0 • view

Web developers were exhausted coding css hacks for every version of every browser. I can't remember why I stopped using FF as my main browser but for years it seemed I always had them all open.

aug 27, 2025, 1:25 pm • 3 0 • view

as defiant as firefox continuing to add AI bullshit its userbase hates?

aug 30, 2025, 9:00 pm • 0 0 • view

Guys @firefox.com, I do love the browser and it’s my daily driver at work. Personal though? That’s Safari, because of iOS. Chrome and Safari are dominating the market because of the smartphones.

aug 26, 2025, 8:51 pm • 3 0 • view

Using Firefox on iOS is unfortunately not that great, if compared to Safari (which has extensions) or the Android version. You can have gecko on iOS and you can have extensions: Kagi’s Orion browser supports both Firefox and Chrome extensions!

aug 26, 2025, 8:51 pm • 3 0 • view

🦊

aug 26, 2025, 7:25 pm • 4 1 • view

Uh... WebKit is not closed source. github.com/WebKit/WebKit

aug 26, 2025, 7:24 pm • 4 0 • view

It's not closed sourced, but it is the foundation for Chromium, so same family.

aug 26, 2025, 9:19 pm • 1 0 • view

What does duck duck go use?

aug 27, 2025, 7:22 pm • 0 0 • view

Chromium, which is same as Google Chrome

aug 28, 2025, 8:28 pm • 1 0 • view

This is a fine thread, but when you're all putting the same crappy AI into your browsers then it doesn't matter which one we pick, we still end up with the same disaster at the end of it. PLEASE stop trying to put AI in here!

aug 26, 2025, 10:46 pm • 11 0 • view

that is so true. I tried losing Google and using Duck Duck Go. it was nearly impossible to function. They have us hemmed in.

aug 27, 2025, 5:18 pm • 1 0 • view

No antitrust wars and then when SEC does make a ruling they don't pay attention to it.

aug 27, 2025, 5:57 pm • 2 0 • view

Right? I thought no one was supposed to have a monopoly.

aug 27, 2025, 6:03 pm • 1 0 • view

firefox user here. i recently installed the darkreader extension, forces every website to go to dark screen night mode.

aug 27, 2025, 6:44 pm • 1 0 • view

I've used Firefox since high school, when we used it to get around the school's filtering proxy. It ruled for that, and for adding tabs. I've got to say though, I'm worried about where it's going. Why are you cramming in AI features that nobody seems to be asking for?

aug 26, 2025, 7:54 pm • 29 1 • view

We hear your concerns, and that’s why our approach is different. We run AI features on your device so data remains local, and you can remove downloaded models anytime. We believe in giving consumers a choice: you decide if, and how you want to use AI.

aug 27, 2025, 12:10 am • 8 0 • view

So how are you offsetting the impact of AI on our electrical grid and a warming planet? Does Firefox have a solar array or windmills or do we have to compete with AI our everyday needs? Please respond and show your work.

aug 27, 2025, 5:51 pm • 5 0 • view

@firefox.com right now...

aug 27, 2025, 7:24 pm • 0 0 • view

Stop automatically adding AI 'features' to your product. I am constantly tripping over AI bullshit I have to manually disable or remove and it's exhausting. Nobody wants or is asking for this crap and you're forcing it on everyone by default in a way that is identical to every other company.

aug 27, 2025, 6:22 pm • 1 0 • view

We appreciate everyone's feedback here! It's important to note that these features are optional, off by default, and local models are downloaded if the feature is used. This won't please everyone but we do want to provide more context into how we're approaching it.

aug 27, 2025, 7:51 pm • 2 0 • view

Sorry, re-reading your previous reply I think I misunderstood, if they're off by default, that's fine, however, with that explanation in mind, can you explain how this? This is a real life example where I had to manually disable and AI thing I didn't install. www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/08/fire...

aug 27, 2025, 7:58 pm • 1 0 • view

I just want to say too, I still love Firefox, it's still the best browser out there imo, and I'm not trying to antagonize or anything, I just want transparency when it comes to how companies (ANY companies) are using AI. I do not consent to using these tools, it's that simple.

aug 27, 2025, 8:02 pm • 1 0 • view

Thanks, but I think we have a misalignment on what choice means here. Or at least the level at which you're applying it. If the AI stuff is optional, make it off by default, and then download the local models if requested. It's not a choice, when you put these models on my system unprompted.

aug 27, 2025, 12:29 am • 38 1 • view

Not currently a Firefox user and my hesitancy was 50% hearing about the browser adding AI. If it were turned off or not included by default (or why not just scrap it entirely!) I would download immediately.

aug 27, 2025, 8:22 pm • 0 0 • view

i believe they should bring their values and ethics to AI, they are tackling Accessibility in pdf.js, which is really important and it makes PDFs in Browser More Accessible to users.

aug 28, 2025, 8:23 pm • 0 0 • view

These seem unconnected.

aug 28, 2025, 8:39 pm • 0 0 • view

Elaborate?

aug 28, 2025, 8:43 pm • 0 0 • view

You wrote me a run-on sentence that said you wished they would be better about AI, and then an unrelated point about PDFs

aug 28, 2025, 9:00 pm • 0 0 • view

No I meant that their core values should be exercised and they should be allowed to create AI tools, and one of their AI model creates alternative text for PDFs which improves accessibility.

aug 28, 2025, 9:03 pm • 0 0 • view

Oh, I see. I was unaware the items were related.

aug 28, 2025, 9:05 pm • 1 0 • view

AI is a fad that's not even that good. Every product pushes AI nowadays but it's not necessary. I wish the core product would get a lot more attention, and for stuff like the link agregator to have remained. You lay off 30% of staff that could help, but keep paying the CEO over 7 mil. And add execs.

aug 27, 2025, 6:46 pm • 2 0 • view

Well said! You're a web browser, focus on making that better, and just TRY not to fall for all the hype. AI is a big deal, for a lot of use cases, but being a browser assistant is not one of them.

aug 27, 2025, 6:58 pm • 0 0 • view

Everyone that's betting big on AI tools has clear motivations to make you think that AI is the future, and that if you don't get on board now, then you'll be left in the dust. And because it's coming from tech giants, every single business feels they MUST join in, or they will perish.

aug 27, 2025, 7:02 pm • 1 0 • view

Hello. As a Firefox user and a cultural worker, I have this question: Do the AI models Firefox uses respect copyright? That is, if these models use movies, novels, photos, or illustrations to train their AI, they infringe copyright (as ChatGPT does).

aug 27, 2025, 4:54 pm • 5 0 • view

This. 👆

aug 26, 2025, 9:50 pm • 3 0 • view

I agree wholeheartedly. Now stop paying your CEO over 7 million dollars and stop hiring a ton of executives and get good programmers to make Firefox the best it could be. You can't ask people for donations if a huge chunk of it goes to management. It's not that complex.

aug 27, 2025, 6:43 pm • 2 0 • view

i mean well, would it be so terrible to only use one brand electro car? Evil bad communist idea i guess, so lets gas earth with fossil engines.

aug 28, 2025, 11:40 am • 0 0 • view

I have used Firefox for so long that I can't remember anymore. It's flexible, and I love how I am able to install various extensions that help prevent tracking and block annoying ads on YouTube. You can't do that on Chrome or MS Edge...😁

aug 27, 2025, 6:21 pm • 1 0 • view

Ive been a firefox kid since like 2004 and I hope its the only browser ill ever have to use.

aug 26, 2025, 7:29 pm • 2 0 • view

I am aware, that's why i definitely don't like it when Firefox who is making Web better has haters/grifters that don't provide valuable criticism and want to see Mozilla struggle.

aug 28, 2025, 8:26 pm • 0 0 • view

Have used Mozilla for over 20 years! Still a fan.

aug 26, 2025, 9:31 pm • 2 0 • view

Love you firefox

aug 27, 2025, 12:40 am • 3 0 • view

Why haven't you fixed your address bar giltch? Stop making unfunny jokes and do something.

aug 27, 2025, 1:40 pm • 2 0 • view

I use @firefox.com daily, and I support the engine alternative. But I am skeptical of the management layer of the organization behind it. I fear that poor technical decisions will ruin the product. More time and effort should be put into the core (the engine) and less on AI related stuff.

aug 26, 2025, 9:22 pm • 16 0 • view

I love you Firefox

aug 26, 2025, 11:40 pm • 3 0 • view

🧡🔥

aug 26, 2025, 11:45 pm • 2 0 • view

maybe you should try making a good browser instead of whining, and stop paying your CEOs millions of dollars while laying off employees

aug 27, 2025, 11:07 am • 4 0 • view

First part, disagree. Second part, 10000000% agree.

aug 27, 2025, 6:48 pm • 2 0 • view

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